Pakistan's Private TV channels should learn from CBS - How Dan Rather was fired

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Pakistan’s private TV channels are too young to understand the difference between news and lies, between stability and anarchy, between the law and stubborn Jihadis.

CBS promptly fired Dan Rather a long time and well respected anchor, for spreading mischief against the sitting president.

This is how TV channels in Pakistan should operate as well. We don’t want Mullah Burqa or other Ghalazi Jaihadis to be broadcast in the name of info-tainment.

We want these channels to respect our president and our government. Otherwise they can go live in Dubai or whatever. They don’t belong in Pakistan.

Peace!

** CBS asks judge to dismiss Rather’s suit**

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_en_tv/tv_rather_lawsuit

By SAMUEL MAULL, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 15, 11:02 PM ET NEW YORK - CBS asked a judge Thursday to dismiss a $70 million defamation lawsuit that veteran television newsman Dan Rather filed against the network and its parent company, arguing that he waited too long to take legal action.

The former anchor’s lawsuit claims his bosses made him a “scapegoat” for the controversy that arose over a disputed story about President Bush’s military service.

CBS’ motion argues the lawsuit should be dismissed because it was filed in September, more than two years after he was removed from his “CBS Evening News” post.
All of the claims in Rather’s lawsuit against the network and Viacom Inc. “are barred by New York’s one-year-statute of limitations for defamation,” CBS said in a 30-page reply motion filed in Manhattan’s state Supreme Court.
CBS’ court papers also contend that all of the claims relating to breach of the newsman’s contract with the network should be thrown out “as CBS did not breach any obligations to Rather.”
CBS issued a statement after filing the motion, saying the company was “mystified and saddened by the baseless and self-serving allegations and distortions of fact raised in his (Rather’s) lawsuit.”
Rather’s lawyers, Martin R. Gold and Edward J. Reich, in a statement said: “It is unfortunate that CBS is trying to delay discovery of the facts and the trial of Dan’s claims. We are confident that the court will reject these tactics.”
Rather’s lawsuit says he was made a “scapegoat” to placate the Bush administration after questions arose about a story he narrated that concerned the president’s military service during the Vietnam War.
Rather narrated the September 2004 report that said Bush disobeyed orders and shirked some of his duties during his National Guard service and that a commander felt pressured to sugarcoat Bush’s record.
Rather, whose final months at CBS were clouded by controversy over the story, said the defendants’ words and actions damaged his reputation and cost him significantly. He left “CBS Evening News” in March 2005.
Besides CBS Corp. and Viacom, Rather’s lawsuit names CBS President and CEO Leslie Moonves, Viacom chairman Sumner Redstone and Andrew Heyward, former president of CBS News, as defendants.
The lawsuit seeks $20 million in compensatory damages and $50 million in punitive damages

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You mean, you want Pakistani Jhandas all over and Bushs (oh sorry) Mushs postures on front. Military parades being displayed 24/7 a day. You mean, you want total media control by a dictator. Way to go. Maybe you should open your own Radio station (Mush FM) and mention these things there. I'm pretty sure you'll be successful in 24 hours. We have enough Mafia to back your philosophy.

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Pakistani govt is too immature to understand difference between national interests versus interests of dictator, between constitution vs constitution-ki-chaddi-for-extending-kursi.

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oh yeah. respect the criminals, murderers, looters and god knows what. let's respect the jahil police which pushes and shoves females and kids into trucks without any kind of morals or respect. way to go.

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If getting rid of fanatics who are making a normal paksitani's life hell makes Gen . Musharaf a criminal,murderer etc....so be it buddy.
As far as your whining for females n kids being shoved into trucks.Well one should ask what in the world these people were doing there in the first place?

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exercising their lawful right to free speech and expression.

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You have a point Captain! That's precisely why we are in this crisis.

However the presence or absence of a "dictator" does not in anyway absolve us from the duty of protecting the stability of our country. Leaders be they dictators or Khulafa all have to go one day, as that is the rule of Allah, Bhagwan (or whatever your faith is).

But the country and its people are here to stay, and their safety and security must be the prime objective of every institution including the news media.

This thread is not about the issues with some general, but an example from the top country in the world, as to how CBS is trying to prevent anarchy in their country.

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^ antiobl, you know way too well the basis of jihadism already and you know Pakistan as country cannot be compared to US in any regards whether it be civil, ethics or morals of common man or govt institutions, media, judiciary, military... you are basically telling oranges to behave/taste like apples.

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you have to be kidding me.

Bush is the most disrespected and ridiculed public figure on American media. Not a day goes by where some political commentator/comedian/talk show host doesnt ridicule Bush. So long as its factual (and mostly even when it isnt factual) and so long as its not obscene, there is no bar, no compulsion to "respect" the president.

Dan Rather wasnt fired because the government acted against CBS. BLOGGERS did. other NEWS outlets reported. NEITHER of those were compelled by any regulations the government had devised.

the media in america is increasingly anti-war now, along with being anti-bush.

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Any merasi or bhaand can make fun of even God, angels, and you have it.

However we must realize that private media has the responsibility to not add fuel to the anarchist fire. And yes I have watched Pakistani private TV stations for too long to see that they have no fing idea about their responsibilities towards national interests.

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^ haha, right so now everyone criticizing/ridiculing/second-guessing Bush who isnt also Dan Rather is merasi or bhaand. I suppose CBS is the only really credible news outlet in america eh. such cerebral arguments antiobl.

look if you cant show anything substantive to further your POV by discussing american media, then you shouldnt try at all. half baked, illogical arguments coupled with your pet catchphrases get tiresome after a while.

when you're ready to discuss whether american media is required to "respect" Bush, let me know.

Responding to Flirting.....
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Jaw-breaking response to antiobl!

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Big corporations try to cleanse themselves of anyone going overboard. As long as you maintain your "class" you are OK.

If you want to be in the Merasi class, that's fine by me. There are many people challenging the US policies, however Dan Rather crossed a line, used forged documents to accuse the sitting president, and guess what?

Chop chop, and there he goes.

You can look at every other incident of national defense against anarchists, and the media always sides with the government. This is what I call the "pack of hunters" mentality.

Even in case of President Bush, all his critics at this juncture were with him 100% when Americans were readying their power to unleash on Saddam.

Even now, no body in the American media (left of ultra left) doesn't dare to question the military.

Even now, Majority of media (left and right) is supporting President Bush in his Iran policy. And you want to tell me that American media is same as this treasonous Geo?

Did you pass your logic-101 already? I guess not!

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I have never been happy the way Fox News and Co have projected things, regarding Bush's Government. We have to admit 80% of US Media is in (hand) favour of Neo-Cons. How can you expect anything else in this very case?
Even Bushs speeches are orchestrated. The Reporters are all known to Bush, who have access to these press conferences. Further more they ask the same questions over and over. And he only selects those for questioning, who would favour him. No hardliners are allowed on such press conferences. These are all things which don't reflect the free media world. Not at least where we tend to live.

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You got it Ali Sahib!

BTW, there is nothing called "Absolute Freedom for Media". Whatever media says has to be in the context of national stability, and cohesion.

In that way, media is the intellectual arm of every successful nation. They are the keepers of national philosophy, while military quashes every perceived enemy of the state.

Thus the media, industry, and military work hand in had to keep a nation protected both from inside and without.

Pakistan vs Australia at Colombo, 19 March, 2011
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… and criticizing Bush and his policy.

So what’s your point in the following post?

What “respect” are you talking about for Musharraf, when Bush gets penalized in America all the time?

Example: http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_stewart.html

Another gem from this supporter of dictatorship:

This shows his mentality. He doesn’t know that media’s job is to give the facts, the news. It does not “side” with anyone.

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Well a-obl,
that's exactly what I don't prefer to happen. I want media to be free and not used as "ONLY" propaganda machinary. No doubts, we have to be patriotic, but not the way It happens in US of A.
I don't want to see justifying Wars on every country, since I suddenly belief this to be an economic threat to my country. And while I make clear to my propaganda machines to work fully to label it: The WAR on TERROR.
That is no justice and has little to do with democracy.
Since Terror(ists) are created by these sort of Wars and are not born as such, without following a reason or/and "idealogy". These things are not made clear enough in States, so that people still believe Terrorism is a Religion.
Apart from the brain washed elite on Afghan-Pakborders, which again derrive from the foreign and domestic influence on RnD departments on Intel to create monsters.
If we don't set boundries for free media, then we shouldn't be surprised that some (mis)use it to It's full extent. And why not?

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As I said, Pakistan must learn from the big nations if we want our country to become a respectable nation.

Stopping the spread of anarchy is not being "Only propaganda machinery", rather it is media's duty to make sure that enemies of state are properly recognized and eliminated.

It is the media that sets up the priorities, and instills the sense of responsibility among masses.

As a I said, this is "voluntary" because government sensors can never do intellectual work.

Unfortunately in Pakistan, our media tends to go out of control and that's clearly wrong.

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I agree, but I our so-called reporters like Shahid Masood, and OBL fan Hamid Mir etc play to the crowd, and start being martyrs, which put’s the station owners in a spot if they try to fire them. You should hear these reporters talk, their ego’s are a big as their heads that they think are saviours of the nation whom no one can dare remove.

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So the line, according to you, is using FORGED DOCUMENTS to criticize the sitting president. Fine by me.

But you're not happy at that, since you're gunning for the deliberately nebulous concept of "respect". Sadly, Bush remains one of the most disrespected and disreputed figures in American media, so you cant really make your case.

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You can look at every other incident of national defense against anarchists, and the media always sides with the government. This is what I call the "pack of hunters" mentality.

Even in case of President Bush, all his critics at this juncture were with him 100% when Americans were readying their power to unleash on Saddam.

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Yet they (largely) dont support him now. You understand the reason for that, the media represents the people, or a large subset of it, if it isnt completely irrelevant (and big corporations need to stay relevant). When Bush attacked Iraq, people generally agreed with that policy. Thus little criticism from the media. Not a day goes by now when Bush's policies are not second guessed and undermined on the media/news. What happened to the pack of hunters now?

As you say, the media represents the intellectual arm of the people. the people.. not the president! When you have a dictator with no connection to the people, with very low opinion ratings in the country, do you seriously expect the "intellectual arm" to sing along with him, still?

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Even now, no body in the American media (left of ultra left) doesn't dare to question the military.

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People typically question decision makers and rulers. Nobody criticizes Pakistan Navy in Pakistan, or Pakistan Air Force. Why? I thought as a rule Pakistanies hate people who fight for them?

The day the American Military steps beyond its assigned powers, you will see criticism of it. Sadly their military is a little more patriotic than ours.

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Even now, Majority of media (left and right) is supporting President Bush in his Iran policy. And you want to tell me that American media is same as this treasonous Geo?

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Dunno which media you're following. The only reason Bush isnt going for broke in Iran is he doesnt have domestic support, and media is a big part of that.

I can show you tons of articles explicitly saying any Iran venture would be disastrous. And a few articles that cheer bush on. There is no compulsion for people to fall in line when war-talk is going on.

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Did you pass your logic-101 already? I guess not!
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Atleast you tried

I would be happy though, if you instituted a rule that nobody can use forged documents to accuse anyone. and be happy to condemn specific instances you can bring from Pakistan where exactly that happened. exactly that, since you are not able to establish a pattern beyond that specific instance where the President was criticized with forged documents, and cannot explain the daily criticism/ridicule of bush from much of the media that is a right of a much freeer people than ours.