Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

I’m no fan of Zardari, but let it be clear. The military has no business in politics these choor generals should keep their hands out politics. They’re responsible for the mess we’re in today.

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Pakistan’s military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties
By SAEED SHAH
McClatchy Newspapers
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Pakistan’s military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties
By SAEED SHAH****
McClatchy Newspapers

ISLAMABAD – Suspicions by Pakistan’s powerful army that the country’s civilian leadership is growing too close to the United States are fueling a political crisis that analysts here believe threatens the survival of the government and could divert attention from the battle against Islamic extremists.

Military officials believe that secretly taped conversations between Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and his ambassador in Washington prove that it was at Zardari’s insistence that a $1.5 billion U.S. aid package passed by Congress in September contained several provisions that angered the Pakistani military. The military publicly protested the aid package last month.

“The reaction (from the military) was not so much to what was in the bill but to the thought that the government was trying to create a civilian-to-civilian dialogue (with Washington),” said a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The army has ruled Pakistan for most its existence, with civilian rule returning only last year.

Now the military is responding by pressing a confrontation with Zardari over the expiration of a legal amnesty for politicians that benefited many members of Zardari’s government, including the president himself and his ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani.

The amnesty, known as the National Reconciliation Ordinance, wiped away long-standing charges against politicians and bureaucrats who served between 1986 and 1999. But the Supreme Court ruled that the measure, which had been decreed in October 2007 by then President Pervez Musharraf, was unconstitutional, and it will come to an end on Saturday.

That will expose serving ministers and senior aides to prosecution over cases that range from corruption to murder - including Zardari, who was charged with taking kickbacks when his wife, the assassinated Benazir Bhutto, served as the country’s prime minister.

Most here argue that Zardari, who is head of the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party, will still have legal immunity as president. But analysts believe the military is behind a campaign to oust Zardari and, with the help of sympathetic media and opposition politicians, is using the end of the amnesty as an opportunity to strike. While dislodging the president will be tough, it is possible that he’ll be forced to transfer most of his powers to the prime minister through a constitutional amendment.

Suspicions in the president’s camp about an attempt to isolate him were heightened when the law ministry released a list of amnesty beneficiaries that featured those close to the president, including his top aide and several Cabinet ministers, but none of the allies of Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

At the center of the civil-military conflict is the relationship between Zardari’s government and Washington, with the Pakistani army resentful of the close ties and the government’s agreement with some U.S. security policies that don’t fit with the military’s view.

The political confrontation came to the fore with the passage of the $1.5 billion U.S. aid package, which insisted on civilian control of the armed forces and threatened to cut off assistance if there were a coup. The legislation also demanded that Pakistan crack down on extremist groups that were previously considered close to the country’s army.

A military spy agency recorded Zardari and Haqqani discussing the legislation. Knowledgeable civilian and military officials, who spoke only if they were not identified by name, said the recordings captured the two discussing how to strengthen democratic institutions in Pakistan.

Even when there have been civilian governments in Islamabad, the military has viewed sensitive foreign and security policies as its purview. In particular, the military jealously guards its role in relations with India, Afghanistan and the United States, as well as the policy toward the country’s nuclear arsenal.

Zardari, however, has intruded in all those areas since taking office. He has reached out to traditional enemy India, improved relations with Afghan President Hamid Karzai - usually seen in Pakistan as dangerously close to India - and agreed with the U.S. that Pakistan must eliminate extremist groups on its soil - the same Islamic militants that the military previously used to fight proxy wars in India and Afghanistan.

Zardari also unsuccessfully tried to place the main military spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, under civilian control, and he offered a “no first use” policy on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons to India.

“The army does not like too much civilian interference in their internal affairs,” said Hasan Askari Rizvi, a defense commentator and author of “Military, State and Society in Pakistan.” “The military thinks that the Pakistan government wants to use this (U.S.) law to somehow interfere in the affairs of the military.”

“Zardari is perceived as too dependent on or too pro the United States, and sometimes not quite in agreement with the strategic view of the army,” said Arif Nizami, a political analyst and former newspaper editor.

The law ministry’s list of amnesty beneficiaries contained over 8,000 names, including bureaucrats and party workers, on charges ranging from murder to embezzlement.

The list includes Interior Minister Rehman Malik; Ports Minister Babar Khan Ghauri; Overseas Pakistanis Minister Farooq Sattar; the governor of Sindh province, Ishratul Ebad; and the president’s top aide, Salman Farooqui.

Also on the list are the high commissioner to London, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, and the ambassador to Washington, Haqqani - who both deny taking advantage of the amnesty. Haqqani has sued to have his name removed from the list.

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

I am against of any military intervention in the system, but if you have guys like zardari who have only made blunders in his 1 year.. there is more chances of Co-op and other bad-things... no body to blame but Zardari and his advisers for the situation they are in..

Re: Pakistan’s military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

Will we ever get an Army that is professional and doesn’t interfere??? Shame on the Army yet again

Whether you love this govt, or hate it, it is an elected govt, and must be allowed to finish its elected term for the stability and prosperity of Pakistan:jhanda:

Your point would be valid, except the Army interferes with every govt

Sooner or later they come up with some excuse for their latest power grab, and the history of Pakistan shows the evil consequences that follow

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

Lot of speculations, guesses and un-named sources. The only positive aspect of Zardari's government has been the offensive against Taliban which rests solely on army's good work

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

There is and was NO Democratic government who has ever done anything good for Pakistan... so yet again I will support army interference!

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

i hate to say but military is better than this kind of democracy.

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

Every two years we call back military... we need to be patient and let democracy mature in the country. How can we ever hope for democracy to work when the political activity is stifled every decade for a decade in the name of corrupt politicians, those politicians are not punished for the same corruption and let loose on the nation after thoroughly raping the country.

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they have matured enough lol
they do deals under the table now. they are all bhai bhai now, sharing with every one :D

zardari ko choro what about nawaz shareef who denied the deal allegations all the time lol

these are no leaders they are all fortune hunters, they have no morals.

good or bad our last leader was bhutto

phansy chrh gya lakin bhaga nahy tha nawaz shareef ki tarah

and next could be imran khan

baqy sub toopi drama hai

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

@kakaballi now whenever a single democratic govt gets in power they think, fine we have 5 years so lets hurry and loot as much as we can..

I mean where you see any single progress in democratic govt? just name ANY!

Like i said i against it, but it is our own fault that army interferes... now the given scenrio is

Zardari's govt have failed miserably in almost all the fronts, they have done so many blunders in past one year or two that people have been forced to think that if there is any kind of rule of law at all in Pakistan

on the other hand, Kiyani is successfull to re-build the reputation of army by successful operations first in Swat and now in wazistan... this has made people of Pakistan think that it is Kiyani who can rescue them from this un-organized and self-centered govt.

Like NS said, this govt have has great threat from PPPP only, even if today Zardari decides to wakeup to the reality and take some bold decision like sacking the NRO ministers, curbing the hoarders and fighting the corruption with an example, he will win back his popularity... but the attitude he has shown by banning a stupid show and declaring everyone as an actor and conspirator he is not doing any good to his party...

Whenever this kind of govts comes into place, they leave a major power vacum, they leave no choice to people but to encourage army to interfere but again with the style of govt which zardari has demonstrated so far, can you blame army on anyone sacking this corrupt and most expensive govt...

here are few things which zardari can do immediately

1) cut the size of cabinet, get the right people for the right job, and have ministers which have credibility in the public

2) get rid of friends who have name in every other corruption/scandal unviels in Pakistan, get rid of those persons from the govt and his private list who lacks credibility, sacking Raja Pervaiz Ashraf, Rehman Malik, Suleiman Taseer, Qamar uz Zaman kaira, Manzoor Watto, Ahmed Mukhtar and promoting Raza Rabbani, Makhdoom Ameen Faheem, Aitzaz Ehsan etc

3) Get out of the presidential palace and communicate with people, he need to show the image of brave Pakistani, he need to understand that he is more of a president and less of chairman of PPP

above are few, but i guess Zardari's ego won't allow him to do so, and this very thing have laid a foundation of a fragile govt he have in hand

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^^ its lit pit stop for every democratic govt... have a pit stop... loot and run away :D

Right ON!

We must realize that Miami Herald is equally capable of printing rubbish, just like our own rags called newspapers.

This is all the while, our civilian government and our military is working in harmony, and sacrificing their lives in order to do one thing! Save our beautiful country.

May God send to hell all of those on this board (and the yellow journalists), who feed the rumor mill) and those who want to tear apart the civilian and army alliance.

Military generals have equal (if not greater) stake in keeping Pakistan stable and as safe as possible.

Thus anyone who wants to destroy the military's role in our country, or wants to start rumors against the civilian government must stop.

Otherwise we soon will be just like the basket case primitive tribals living in the Islamic Emirates of golden boys Afghanistan and Somalia.

Wrong, if you consider Kyani is subservient to president and constitution of Pakistan. According to you though Zardari is working under kyani rather than vicer versa. This kind of thinking since 1947 laid to breakup and disintegration.

What ever Zardar's past history is, he has done excellent job for being calm and dealing with sh!ty situation left by his predecsessor.

If army takes over in such cirmutances, I think kiss good by the remaining of Pakistan.

Right on.

We need civilian leaders at Federal AND Provincial level, who listen to the Generals and then implement the policies, and then convince the public.

Success in Swat operation would not have been possible without the civilian leadership.

Similarly, Wazirastan or FATA will not come under military control, without civilian leaders' support.

Any rumors to the contrary are being spread by Arabs and Arab-inspired Pakistanis.

Dont the PEOPLE elect the government? If they elect ****ty governments, let them face the consequences and next time or the next time or the next time they won't. Fresh leadership matures through a constant growth process which is stalled every time the army conquers the country. It takes DECADES, not years, for people to realize who is capable of leading a country.

True. There is no voice in the parliament against the operation which means it has public backing. Things would have been different with a general in power and people accusing him of fighting the american war. The government can also talk to foreign powers strongly with backing of parliament which represent peoples' will.

I think taking half line and commenting on that would not serve the purpose!!! you need to grow up now and try to comprehend the replies posted in the forum.. BTW do you agree that Zardari have f***up in his first year and have to do lot of repair works... which starts from the point saying i have made a mistake and now i need to fix it...

as a matter of fact your statement about zardari's job do suggest how do you think... by excellent job you mean breaking promises, going back from his words, doing what ever possible to enslave Pakistan, to protect his corrupt friends, appoint his friends at key ministries who are creating one crisis after other ... yes in this way he have done execellent job.. but on the real fronts he have failed..

There is nothing else which would please me more than zardari completing its 5 years, because the way he is going, he will totally destroy PPPP but i guess you won't understand this...please carry on your zardari mantra

Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties

Who should be the next leader of Pakistan after Zardari?

It seems you have fallen for the Army's anti-democracy propaganda.

During the Sharifs tenure, Lahore was transformed.

During ZAB's tenure, such progress was made that people still remember him decades later.

There are many reasons Pak is in such a horrible state, but the largest reason is the decades of corrupt, murderous Army rule, and it's manipulation of our democracy.