I hope some prejudice minds and hate Zardari Mafia would learn something from above.
Read your post again and think hard who needs to grow up. I already said under present circumtances he has done excellent job. Read my post again. If you don't like him too bad. I hope next president would be of your choice.
It seems you have fallen for the Army's anti-democracy propaganda.
During the Sharifs tenure, Lahore was transformed.
LOL....Sharif said that he will turn Lahore into the Paris of Asia...
all he did was improve the roads in Model Town...where he lived....
During ZAB's tenure, such progress was made that people still remember him decades later.
There are many reasons Pak is in such a horrible state, but the largest reason is the decades of corrupt, murderous Army rule, and it's manipulation of our democracy.
ZAB maybe...but the worst leader in Pakistan's history was Zia-ul-Haq...he is the reason for all the terrorism that exists in Pakistan today
Read your post again and think hard who needs to grow up. I already said under present circumtances he has done excellent job. Read my post again. If you don't like him too bad. I hope next president would be of your choice.
I understand your misery...
anyway, in pakistan we only vote for MNAs, rest is decided by un-elected party leaders ( funny sometime political parties inherit parties), so none of the persons on this board ever knew that zardari is going to run for president... or gillani was going to be prime minister, so people just voted blindly believing in the stupid manifesto of stupid leaders.. sorry if i called your god zardari turned bhutto stupid
LOL....Sharif said that he will turn Lahore into the Paris of Asia...
all he did was improve the roads in Model Town...where he lived....
didn't knew all these years that Illama Iqbal Road, Jail Road, Ferozpure Road, Sherpao Bridge, Railway Bridge ( near carriage workshop), Railway station road ( going to shad bagh), Shalimar Link Road, Main Boulevard Gulberg, Cavalry Ground Road, Under Passes at Canal road on Jail road and Ferozepure road intersection were in Model Town.. and i live in Lahore
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During the Sharifs tenure, Lahore was transformed.
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Sharifs' PART I - transformed much more than Lahore. Had they been smart "politically" and stayed for 5 years,
Pakistan would have had world class infrastructure. Their highway/airport up-gradation program was HUGE.
And WHO brought them down? Opposition parties like BB, JI, and MQM.,
Then BB was brought down by the opposition parties including Sharifs.
The cycle goes on and
Sharifs PART II was brought down again by PPP, MQM, and JI etc. estupeed long marches.
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During ZAB's tenure, such progress was made that people still remember him decades later. ..
Come on man. Have some mercy.
ZAB inherited a HUGE manufacturing, banking, and education sector all thanks to Ayub Khan's period.
And what did ZAB do with that?
NATIONALIZE read LOOT read PLUNDER.
HUGE factories from pre-ZAB time were turned into rust.
Pakistan was a net producer of Wheat, and sugar.
But the commie Bhutto turned this into a party ruled ration-card carrying corrupt food distribution system.
Why?
He wanted to turn Pakistan into a commie jannat. or what is also known as Islamist-Socialist hell.
Our education system was among the best in the region. Bhutto trashed it.
Our Banking system was up and coming in Asia, and ZAB's commie henchmen plundered and looted all those banks.
So please avoid spreading falsehoods. ZAB was the plague virus for Pak economy. We never could recover from his loot, plunder and corruption that killed Pakistan's finance, education, and industry.
Thank you.
Whatever ZAB did, he was brought down by 9-star Mullah party and not army.
In fact army was deployed in the cities and Mullah party would dump boiling water on our jawans.
Mullah party looted the shops and banks. And army was fired upon and humiliated for months.
Anyone who challenges our soldiers and our army's loyalty to Pakistan, should go and get their head examined.
Even now that our soldiers and officers are laying their lives, and giving the ultimate sacrifices,
there are the dimwit keyboard warriors who want to trash army just like the 9-star Mullahs.
didn't knew all these years that Illama Iqbal Road, Jail Road, Ferozpure Road, Sherpao Bridge, Railway Bridge ( near carriage workshop), Railway station road ( going to shad bagh), Shalimar Link Road, Main Boulevard Gulberg, Cavalry Ground Road, Under Passes at Canal road on Jail road and Ferozepure road intersection were in Model Town.. and i live in Lahore....
And after all these years, those underpasses and most of the roads still do not get flooded when it rains. However, those built during the Qatil league time cannot sustain a light rain.
Re: Pakistan’s military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties
There is Mafia behind this all and Jang and Geo are their wepon.
It is not Army but a very very powerful group which includes many from each stake holders of power groups of Pakistan.
You must read this news from front page of Jang and than think.
Are you a psychic? You are the one who is obsessed with Zardari Hate Mafia and miserable, not me.
an excellent article by Cyril Almeida on a related topic… the sad thing is that it is the PPP govt that is being held responsible for allowing Blackwater in Pakistan… when apparently it is the army that is using Blackwater for its purposes… and yet the PPP catches all the flak for it.
I have to say that the Pak army is outstanding at PR. they`ve destroyed the reputation of every politician. and even managed to convince the ppl of Pakistan that the civilian govt is responsible for crimes that the army commits in the dark of night.
remarkable!
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DAWN.COM | Columnists | A tale of two stories
Military men have been up to some very bad things, we’ve learned this week. But the very different reactions to two seemingly unrelated stories in the media tell us at least one thing: things aren’t going to get better any time soon.
First, over to Jeremy Scahill, writing in The Nation, US: ‘At a covert forward operating base run by the US Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in the Pakistani port city of Karachi, members of an elite division of Blackwater are at the centre of a secret programme in which they plan targeted assassinations of suspected Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives, ‘snatch and grabs’ of high-value targets and other sensitive action inside and outside Pakistan.’
Before you reach for your pitchfork to skewer evil Americans up to no good inside Pakistan without our leadership’s knowledge — military or civilian — consider what else Scahill has reported: ‘He [a former senior Blackwater executive] said that Blackwater is also working for the Pakistani government on a subcontract with an Islamabad-based security firm that puts US Blackwater operatives on the ground with Pakistani forces in counter-terrorism operations, including house raids and border interdictions, in the North West Frontier Province and elsewhere in Pakistan.’
‘Government’ can be misleading since it implies the civilian side of the state, but the story makes it clear elsewhere who inside Pakistan is really working with Blackwater: ‘According to the executive, Blackwater works on a subcontract for Kestral Logistics, a powerful Pakistani firm, which specialises in military logistical support, private security and intelligence consulting. It is staffed with former high-ranking Pakistani army and government officials.’
The reaction to these revelations should be severe; we don’t need America’s version of non-state actors, mercenaries, really, running around our country, whatever their purpose or utility. The fact that the Pakistan Army — that so-called bastion of professionalism and custodian of our national security — has acquiesced in or enabled the activities of these non-state actors as opposed to elected representatives — the so-called ‘bloody civilians’, aka politicians — doesn’t make it any better or well-thought-out an idea.
But here’s the problem: the selective outrage of the media and the public enables military men to remain immune from accountability.
On Tuesday, a front-page headline in Dawn proclaimed: ‘Intelligence agencies looking into oil, gas deals’. The accompanying article goes on to report: ‘According to sources, a team of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Military Intelligence (MI) has collected record of the proposed transactions and interviewed the managing director of the Pakistan State Oil (PSO) and some senior officials of the petroleum ministry.’
Who authorised agencies run by the military to investigate commercial affairs? To whom is the ISI/MI team going to present its findings? To what purpose will the findings be applied? None of these questions have appeared to worry many here.
Fixated as the media and the public are on the corruption allegations that are churning the political waters at the moment, it seems to matter little who is probing corruption and why — just as long as someone is, there’s hope that the ‘dirty’ politicians can be drained from the swamp. It’s a simple, visceral reaction in a messy place where there are few good options: corruption, bad; those fighting corruption, good.
But bad as corruption may be, the revelation of the ISI/MI probe is, or ought to be, equally, if not more, unsettling. It is yet another piece of evidence that the transition to democracy, already shaky because of the political sins of the politicians, is headed in the wrong direction, and that the military is perhaps quietly working to nudge it in that wrong direction.
A bold pronouncement? Consider this. It is an open secret by now that President Zardari and the army high command have rocky relations. Neither really likes the other and some of that dislike is personal and some policy-driven. But the publicly known disagreements so far have been about policy issues: who controls the ISI, what is our declared nuclear posture, what conditions attached to US aid are acceptable.
Inserting the ISI and MI into the civilian domain to probe corruption, however, is not about policy, it is about politics. Only the incorrigibly naïve would believe that the intelligence team was sent over to fight corruption in the system.
But the point here is larger than the fate of Zardari or the government. The point is this: a law unto itself, the army’s actions remain frighteningly immune from accountability — and the lack of public and media opposition to its ‘good’ but possibly illegal actions (such as sending its intelligence operatives to investigate a very narrow, specific case of alleged corruption that could affect the presidential camp) means that there is absolutely no chance that the army’s bad and possibly illegal actions can ever be stopped.
In real terms, there is virtually nothing that can be done to stop Blackwater and its ilk from operating here. Secret military operations are the blackest of black holes, and if the media and the public kick up a fuss over Blackwater, the army will quietly switch to some other opaque tactic. And if that is subsequently exposed, too, the army will switch to a third.
Meaningful civilian oversight of the army is obviously a distant goal, but it will remain a chimera — an impossible idea — if the public and the media and the politicians never push back against the army on the smallest of issues.
That’s exactly what the corruption probe by the ISI/MI team should be: a relatively small matter on which there should be no ambiguity in denouncing it and demanding it be shut down at once.
There is, of course, no straight line between the army’s corruption probe and its murky arrangements with Blackwater. But the two stories fit into a bigger picture of the army setting and playing by its own rules. And unless the army gets its knuckles rapped for minor misdemeanours, why should it ever worry about being held accountable for its major sins?
Are you a psychic? You are the one who is obsessed with Zardari Hate Mafia and miserable, not me.
LOL
you never had anything else to say.. even a hard line supporter like cannot say a single word in defense of zardari...
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you never had anything else to say.. even a hard line supporter like cannot say a single word in defense of zardari...
It is sufficient that People of Pakistan supported PPP while all alliegations were there. Mind it that there is almost no new a alligation against Zardari. Only old bogus story leveled by establishment 15-20 years ago is revived by the criminal mafia.
It is sufficient that People of Pakistan supported PPP while all alliegations were there. Mind it that there is almost no new a alligation against Zardari. Only old bogus story leveled by establishment 15-20 years ago is revived by the criminal mafia.
Since you are very fond of news papers, please check 15-20 days old newspapers which are saying that the Zardari is involved in buying land worth of billion rupees for peanuts.. now what you say about this...
What if somebody have murdered someone 10-20 years back, does that make him less of criminal, i never knew that PPPP supporters cannot even think logically
So what the writer want to say is ISI is working against its own country… it is amazing that there is no body in hugeeeeeeeeeee cabinet of PPPP who can speak anything about this, yet they will start chanting against ISI and Army if there govt get toppled ( which is ofcourse due to the blunder after blunder) they will start ISI+Army mantra…
Cheap attempt on army who is fighting and sacrificing with its own jawan in the gith against terror… and yet the govt. ( busy in defending NRO kind of stuff, defending sugar and flour hoarders, defending all kind of corruptions) is virtually not doing anything for the country other than making blunder on daiily basis…
So what the writer want to say is ISI is working against its own country... it is amazing that there is no body in hugeeeeeeeeeee cabinet of PPPP who can speak anything about this, yet they will start chanting against ISI and Army if there govt get toppled ( which is ofcourse due to the blunder after blunder) they will start ISI+Army mantra...
Cheap attempt on army who is fighting and sacrificing with its own jawan in the gith against terror... and yet the govt. ( busy in defending NRO kind of stuff, defending sugar and flour hoarders, defending all kind of corruptions) is virtually not doing anything for the country other than making blunder on daiily basis...
Same old Army propaganda. Pak Army are 'sacrificing' like any Army in the world, except they become multi-millionaires by looting the country.
Army has always worked for their own interest rather than the prosperity of the country- read history.
This govt is doing some good things like the Balochistan package, and not doing well on areas like sugar - but the point is not this govt, but establishing a democratic system where the people have a say in approving, or booting out those in gotvt.
Not uprooting a elected govt through unlawful means, and having even more Army corruption.
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Same old Army propaganda. Pak Army are 'sacrificing' like any Army in the world, except they become multi-millionaires by looting the country.
Army has always worked for their own interest rather than the prosperity of the country- read history.
This govt is doing some good things like the Balochistan package, and not doing well on areas like sugar - but the point is not this govt, but establishing a democratic system where the people have a say in approving, or booting out those in gotvt.
Not uprooting a elected govt through unlawful means, and having even more Army corruption.
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govt has so far announced the baloch package and all most all baloch parties have shown their concerns on it.. the main concern is, can govt deliver it, govt has good record in annocment and making promises but have miserably failed when it comes to deliver... so lets wait and see on this...
its not me who is supporting army here, but it is the govt to blame to give army reasons to intervene, we have seen in recent past that who ever deliver to the people, people stand behind him and no military, ISI or American support can bring him down, where as, who ever depends on military, ISI and America ends up delivering lectures and issuing sense-less statements in London.. so the only thing which can save Zardari led govt is to deliver the promises they made, provide relief to the people of Pakistan, failing to do so... Zardari will end up delivering lectures on how to do corruption...
Hope Zardari sees the writing on the wall and start doing what he suppose to do,i..e be the president of Pakistan...
Re: Pakistan's military seen moving to undercut Zardari over his close U.S. ties
I hope Army kicks Ghaddari out and take over. This pathetic ba$tards needs a stick up in his ar**.
Since you are very fond of news papers, please check 15-20 days old newspapers which are saying that the Zardari is involved in buying land worth of billion rupees for peanuts.. now what you say about this...
What if somebody have murdered someone 10-20 years back, does that make him less of criminal, i never knew that PPPP supporters cannot even think logically
Thank you for giving me a chance to clerify the news. That news was created by one biggest lier of Pakistan. Please Ask any one of Pindi rural area (It is called Islambad officially) about the rates of rural ares land at that time (94-95). That was 5-10 thousand per kanal only. It is not government land. It was private land purchased by private land owners and Inspite of all efforts by than Ehtasab Beuro and after that NAB nothing was found wrong in this bying of land. No seller of land complainted about any mishap. Remember Zardari was in jail for those nine years. The matter was lying pending in civil courts and after order of court land was transfered to this company. There is even nothing to say but that liar group tried to show it a corruption case. Read that news again and now you shall understand what they are doing. It is a same old story. They are challenging all Pakistanis that they can change their mind with their lie.
I hope Army kicks Ghaddari out and take over. This pathetic ba$tards needs a stick up in his ar**.
We don't need another decade of military government.
He will only go when carrots like the 17th amendment and NRO fascio are rid of and the Parliament uses its "stick" to get rid of him.
He is cunning man. Buying time and saying "17th amendment will be repealed by December"-as per Dawn.com article.
you never had anything else to say.. even a hard line supporter like cannot say a single word in defense of zardari...
Really there is nothing further to say on old rhetoric of Hate Zardari Mantra as more than enough replies were given to this insanity.