Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
I don't even know how PPP passes itself as a sindhi party [biggest fraud of our time] but are feudals who have nothing to do with the nationalist sindhis like sindhudesh. Punjab hasn't had a charismatic leader like Bhutto [hence PPP still bagging seats forcing PML to from alliance with MQM back in the day].
Plus, the elections were probably rigged? so who knows what really happened.
Haan, the PPP may be frauds, but to the average Punjabi who is the voter, PPP is still a sindhi party plaine and simple... Despite this, peope voted for them...
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
I dont know which part of the Karachi are you talking about ....when I left Karachi (98) most of my friends were from Punjab (living in Karachi) and we never hated each other ......
Your saying there is no rivalry between ethnic groups in Karachi? What do you think the whole 90's issue was about?
Just google Ethnic rivalry and Karachi and see for yourself.
Much of the history of Karachi post independance has been shaped by this ethnic rivalry between Mohajirs Punjabis and Pshtuns...
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
I dont know which part of the Karachi are you talking about ....when I left Karachi (98) most of my friends were from Punjab (living in Karachi) and we never hated each other ......
The way you have generalized this sensitive issue just shows your carelessness and thinking :)
Ab itna sugar coat bhi naheen par I would say we are not like afghanistan in karachi either.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
Your saying there is no rivalry between ethnic groups in Karachi? What do you think the whole 90's issue was about?
Just google Ethnic rivalry and Karachi and see for yourself.
Much of the history of Karachi post independance has been shaped by this ethnic rivalry between Mohajirs Punjabis and Pshtuns...
Karachi is the city of more than 14 million people. If in some area, some thousand people fight with each this does not mean that 14 million people hate each other.
I have seen thick and thins in Karachi. I used to live in the area which was sort of buffer b/w area of 2 ethnicities. I have witnessed some of the worse violence but at the same time I knew that its just 100/200 people from both the ethnicity who used to take whole area (of more than 300,000/400,000 people) hostage. Its was not like everyone hating everyone. We still used to play ..... talk and enjoy life b/w friends from all ethnicity.
and let me tell you one more thing, people like you who LOVE TO GENERALIZE SENSITIVE ISSUES were just used to add fuel to fire !
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
and let me tell you one more thing, people like you who LOVE TO GENERALIZE SENSITIVE ISSUES were just used to add fuel to fire ! Look, a couple of my dad's close friend are sindhis and punjabis [one form s. punjab] when we discuss stuff, we talk in general terms. I think the biggest problem with mahajirs is that they bite their own even when faced by a foreign adversary. I said nothing that warranted such a response!
PS Btw, you know nothing about me. We had to fear for my dad's life because corrupt sindhi quota walas wanted to give him to FIA to rot and some because he was honest and didnt want to be part of their briberd asses who wanted to imported foreign expensive ink when we had a compatible cheaper pakistani ink available. I dont know which area of karachi you lived in so you might not know PSPC [by new airport, model colony] that printed bank notes, passports etc in karachi.
acha bhai, it seems like you truly believe all punjabiz/sindhis/apthans are out to hound you. I am not sure what decent7chichora said that made you post all those anecdotes.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
Karachi is the city of more than 14 million people. If in some area, some thousand people fight with each this does not mean that 14 million people hate each other.
I have seen thick and thins in Karachi. I used to live in the area which was sort of buffer b/w area of 2 ethnicities. I have witnessed some of the worse violence but at the same time I knew that its just 100/200 people from both the ethnicity who used to take whole area (of more than 300,000/400,000 people) hostage. Its was not like everyone hating everyone. We still used to play ..... talk and enjoy life b/w friends from all ethnicity.
and let me tell you one more thing, people like you who LOVE TO GENERALIZE SENSITIVE ISSUES were just used to add fuel to fire !
Think your missing the debate..
According to Shriek, Punjabis in Karachi are very rude and bias towards the Mohajirs... Thats the logic behind his conclusion that Punjabis only hate Musharaf now because he is a Mohajir. I claim its because Musharaf is an authoritarian dictator, and has nothing to do with his ethnicitiy.
Shriek cited the example of Punjabis in Karachi callng Mohajirs "muturwas."
I think this Punjabi bias towards Mohajirs is limited to Karachi and isnt the general character of most Punjabis who live in Punjab, because there is so much ethnic rivalry in Karachi...
So now your all caught up.
Dont agree with me, then argue with the historians who say there are stark ethnic divides in Karachi, and with Shriek who agrees with them...
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
My brother's friend from Motorola now is mainframe operations [computing] in Motorola, Lahore and he doesnt give very high marks [esp those rude punjabi "beghamaats"] in lahore either.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
acha bhai, it seems like you truly believe all punjabiz/sindhis/apthans are out to hound you. I am not sure what decent7chichora said that made you post all those anecdotes.
Oh sahab, i already edited my post so why cry over spilled milk now? :)
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
My brother's friend from Motorola now is mainframe operations [computing] in Motorola, Lahore and he doesnt give very high marks [esp those rude punjabi "beghamaats"] in lahore either.
To each his own... Sometimes I dont like Punjabis either. But then again, sometimes Mohajirs can also be very annoying. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
