I think most people today are supporting leaders based on their nationality. They are not looking at what they are actually doing and what is good for the country.
Hence Muhajirs/MQM are supportive of Musharraf (even though Altaf was a staunch critic of “agencies/army” earlier), while Punjabis are supportive of Chief Justice Chaudhry (even though they were silent when Punjabi Nawaz dismissed Sindhi Sajjad Ali Shah).
How many non-Muhajirs at gupshup support Musharraf?
How many Muhajirs support CJ Chaudhry?
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I think most people today are supporting leaders based on their nationality. They are not looking at what they are actually doing and what is good for the country.
Hence Muhajirs/MQM are supportive of Musharraf (even though Altaf was a staunch critic of "agencies/army" earlier), while Punjabis are supportive of Chief Justice Chaudhry (even though they were silent when Punjabi Nawaz dismissed Sindhi Sajjad Ali Shah).
How many non-Muhajirs at gupshup support Musharraf?
How many Muhajirs support CJ Chaudhry?
I despise Musharaf and im Punjabi... And I wouldnt be surprised if it most Mush supporters were Muhajirs or MQM people.
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I am a mahajir and I support imran khan and don't like mqm.
Now, I think Prince Ali is right in saying that most punjabis vote for nawaz cause nawaz is punjabi, and most sindhis support bhutto cause she is a sindhi.
The problem in our country is most people are uneducated and don't know much about democracy or how the elites are fooling the poor. They are encouraged to vote for their "baradari". In our country political parties are based on cult of personality instead of party policies. no wonder every party leader is a party leader for life. Every one of them calls themselves "quaid-e-awam"
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Mush has taken some steps that go against the domiannt ethnciity in the establishment, which is the sudden anger towards him, while all was well 1 or 2 years back.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
The problem in our country is most people are uneducated and don't know much about democracy or how the elites are fooling the poor. They are encouraged to vote for their "baradari". In our country political parties are based on cult of personality instead of party policies. no wonder every party leader is a party leader for life. Every one of them calls themselves "quaid-e-awam"
Are you saying that democracy is rigged by default in Pakistan towards the majority ethnicity? :)
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I am a mahajir and I support imran khan and don't like mqm.
Right on, only the paid blind ones support MQM. Thumbs up.
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Now, I think Prince Ali is right in saying that most punjabis vote for nawaz cause nawaz is punjabi, and most sindhis support bhutto cause she is a sindhi.
The problem in our country is most people are uneducated and don't know much about democracy or how the elites are fooling the poor. They are encouraged to vote for their "baradari". In our country political parties are based on cult of personality instead of party policies. no wonder every party leader is a party leader for life. Every one of them calls themselves "quaid-e-awam"
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Not entirely true, PPP has formed governments in Punjab despite being a Sindhi party just like you said. PPP has a strong votebank in Punjab.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
Mush has taken some steps that go against the domiannt ethnciity in the establishment, which is the sudden anger towards him, while all was well 1 or 2 years back.
is it why the punjabi choudaries of gujrat are supporting musharraf and minority ethnicities are generally against mush ?
Mush is hated because he is acting in an authoritarian way
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Are you saying that democracy is rigged by default in Pakistan towards the majority ethnicity? :)
I am saying a punjabi is most likely to win cause punjab has the most population. and our pakistanis tend to vote for the "baradari".
But it is at least encouraging the Benazi got elected twice, which shows there are many punjabis who voted for a person based on her personality and not her ethnicity.
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True about mushy, and most Punjabiz along with the rest of Pakistan hate Chaudhry Shujaat and his loony bin side kick Elahi, in addition to Musharraf. Doesnt matter if they are Punjabi, Baluchi, Lalokheti, they are hated either way.
Re: Pakistanis support politicians for their nationality, not actions
Mush has taken some steps that go against the domiannt ethnciity in the establishment, which is the sudden anger towards him, while all was well 1 or 2 years back.
Whats he done that undermines Punjabis? He supports the Chaudries... You cant get much more Punjabi then that. The Chief Justice is a Balochi, not a Punjabi, and the Lawyers movement has been from across the country and is definently not isolated to Punjab.
So whats he done that goes against the dominant ethnicity? Anger against him stems from the fact that he is abusing his power, making a king of himself, not being anwerable to the constituion or any elected body.. And the one democratic body that could check his power he dissolves through an act thats the classic reactionary move of any dictator.
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Whats he done that undermines Punjabis? He supports the Chaudries... You cant get much more Punjabi then that. The Chief Justice is a Balochi, not a Punjabi, and the Lawyers movement has been from across the country and is definently not isolated to Punjab.
So whats he done that goes against the dominant ethnicity?
Ifiti is a Punjabi who settled in Balochistan. Lawyers movement is strongest in Punjab and also NWFP. Mush has acted against the jihadi terrorists, whose power center is in places like Muridke and Lahore. The Punjabi masses have long been fed the propaganda of jihad, much more so than others, which is why they now consider Mush to be a anti-Islam Hindustani.
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I agree with you partly. about half of pakistanis vote based on "baradari", and half vote on a person's personality and policies.
but you can't argue that the feudal lords in rural pakistan tell their poor farmers to vote for the party the feudal lord is with
True, and they must get over it, for their own good. Honestly, the only (and i repeat the only)good thing about the lota league PML[Q] is that its not an ethnic based party, and you cant really say its a Punjabi party because its not really a popular party, they just get the support 'artificially' like I mentioned to saby in another thread.
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Yep a balochi named Chaudhry!
Balochistani and balochi has lots of differences
As for support for BB, it is more in southern punjab which feels it has been treated like a step brother by central punjabis from lahore. Even if we look at history, multan and areas were either part of sindh or were separate [like the bhawalpur state pre-partition]. This is why you can even find support for MQM pre-nineties operation and also pre-May 12th…
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ppp and pml-q are parties whose politics I don't like ( I don't like most politicians in generally).
But I think it is correct to say that one good thing about PPP and Pml-Q is that they truely are national parties which get votes in most provinces in large numbers. The rest of the parties are regional/ ethnic based parties.
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Ifiti is a Punjabi who settled in Balochistan. Lawyers movement is strongest in Punjab and also NWFP. Mush has acted against the jihadi terrorists, whose power center is in places like Muridke and Lahore. The Punjabi masses have long been fed the propaganda of jihad, much more so than others, which is why they now consider Mush to be a anti-Islam Hindustani.
Well, It remains to be seen how strong the Lawyers movement is in Karachi, but after the events of March 12th, I doubt that will be possible. But the movement also pretty strong in Balochistan...
What Jiahdi outfits operate out of Lahore? The Taliban are now in FATA, and if govt sources are anything to go by, formerly in Swat.
There was a survey not to long ago that claimed that it was the Pashtuns, not the Punjabis, particularly those Pashtuns in NWFP who have been most influenced by the Jihadi movement.
Punjabis are a second though, will give you that...
Musharaf only moved against Jihadis, half heartdly after pressure from the international community (America..:) ). Any leader would have done the same.
And I have NEVER met a single Punjabi who hates Musharaf because he is a Anti- islam Hindustani...
Those that hate him, hate him because he is an authoritarian dictator, who has infirnged on the independance of the judiciary and media, and has turned himself into a new age Caesar.
This notion of people hating him for being a "Anti-Islam Hindustani" is obviously some sort of propagada popular among MQM circles.
You still have to tell me how he has reigned in Feudalism.. Soemthing so high on the MQM list of priorities..
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Well, MQM are some of his biggest supporters and alot of them do happen to be Mohajirs… Just 2 PLUS 2…
And who said I disagreed with him? A lot of Pakistanis DO vote based on ethnicity, particularly those parties that are based on ethnic nationalism such as the MQM… So why should we be surprised if a group like them support Musharaf only because he is one of their own?!?
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And I have NEVER met a single Punjabi who hates Musharaf because he is a Anti- islam Hindustani...
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I have and heard punjabis, in particular, in karachi lamenting the fact that Musharraf [add any mahajir ethnic slur here] didn't die in the assasination attempts in you know back when..
