Those 5 poor people whose photos were plastered all over the bloody place with no proof of their involvement (let alone intentions) and turned out to be a hoax. These 5 people (and my heart goes out to them) should file a class-action lawsuit against the FBI. Morons in FBI deserved to be hanged by the balls. Idiots. These are the kind of people we have put our faith in to protect us.
sue!! these people should sacrifice nearest kala bakra as their lives were spared.. imagine if they were really found in Canada or USA? due to forgers they would had become celebrated terrorists ..
That's ridiculous NYA. Blame the forgers...the terrorist who provided the info. I for one am happy they did that. God forbid next one is a terrorist, what then?
Thats Just why we should get rid of this so called "terrorist Factor" from Pakistan. so that next time no one can point the finger at us.
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Chaltahai, I totally not agree with you (thumbs down). FBI was duped by a con man, how stupid can they get? Next they will be trusting the info coming from the Scotland Yard. One has to be an idiot to trust information coming from a con man. If they have started getting tips from the ISI, they are dumber that I give them credit for.
Pakistani citizens that get taken into custody then released with no charge should also be compensated. Here I am talking about people like the doctor (can't remember his name) that was apprehended some time back and there was a big fuss about it.
if u're referring to Dr. Amir Aziz he admitted to meeting and treating OBL.. the Dr. himself is a nice guy, my family knows him and he even treated my father a while back, but sadly he's another one misquided by all the mullahism around him.
Sadly, NYA, this is neither the first nor the last time, that the US intelligence forces have been duped. All the terrorism scares which cheapened the whole terrorism alerts last year (like they are planning to blow up the Brooklyn bridge, attacks planned on Golden Gate bridge, a scuba-diver attack is in the works, spray aerolplanes will be used now, oil lines being attacked, bla bla bla) were mostly attributed to one captured prisoner, called Abu Zubaidah. That dude certainly knows how to tie up the dumb Americans in knots. He'd spin a fairly tale of terrorism plots and the whole American nation will be taken for a ride by Mr Tom Ridge. It has become a farce.
American agencies need to learn how to verify and corraborate every fantastic tale of deception and attack. I agree. Once they are sued, and sued really well, then they might wisen up a bit.
I think FBI should continue what it is doing. Everyday we find out there are terrorists being arrested in Karachi or Mulatan or wherever. Why is it such a leap for some to understand that some of them might be planning misdeeds and are entering the US.
let;s take that jewler guy whose picture was ciculated but he was found in Pakistan. We subsequently found out he was trying to enter the UK on false papers. probably issued by the same people who provide such documents to terrorists. How should an American agency differentiate? Such is the price to pay for engaging in illegal activites. Go FBI :k:
Yes PA, Dr. Amir Aziz was the guy. My point being that the FBI arrested this guy for allegedly treating OBL. If that WAS the case and if that IS a crime, then Aziz should be charged and put on trial. If not, then he should be compensated for his time and stress to himself and family. I mean even a few sacks of rice would be better than nothing...
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if u're referring to Dr. Amir Aziz he admitted to meeting and treating OBL.. the Dr. himself is a nice guy, my family knows him and he even treated my father a while back, but sadly he's another one misquided by all the mullahism around him.
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Shaitan de waqil, no he is not.. if you read the news correctly and try reading between the lines - the poor fellow was falsely implicated - he had no connection whatsoever with anything objectionable.. The same Kameena Musharraf govt. wud have favored him had US not gone anti-US.. the poor fellow was made a scapegoat..
A decent constructive piece on pak-us relations
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-1-2003_pg3_1
Editorial: US-Pak relations: perception and reality
Khurshid Kasuri, the Foreign Minister, will shortly be visiting the United States at the invitation of Colin Powell, US Secretary of State. A suave politician, Mr Kasuri is trying hard to act his part but is equally hard-pressed to do so. Neither Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali nor minister Kasuri has any real control over the conduct of our foreign and security policies. A classic example is the recent incident at the Angoor Ada post on the Pak-Afghan border. While half-dozen US spokespersons put out the US version and a US F-16 dropped a bomb on a seminary inside Pakistan, Islamabad remained quiet for longer than warranted. Only belatedly did it say that it would not allow US forces to conduct operations in its territory. Back-channel damage-control measures also resulted in the US spokesperson in Afghanistan trying to downplay the incident and stating that US forces had not in fact pursued any Taliban-Al Qaeda elements into Pakistan. But the fact is the US forces have been entering Pakistani territory under an agreement or understanding with the Pakistani military and the civilian front government either did not know about it (still doesn’t) or clearly has no control over such things.
In Washington, Mr Kasuri says he will discuss the entire gamut of US-Pak relations. Predictably, he will inform his hosts yet again that since Pakistan is a key ally of the US in the fight against terrorism, it is bad form to have Pakistanis run from pillar to post trying to make sense of the US Justice Department. Predictably also, Mr Powell will tell Mr Kasuri that he will try to do something about it. But both gentlemen have their limitations and the pantomime shall continue.
Does this solve anything? Is there really an entire gamut of Pak-US relations which Mr Kasuri could take up or discuss while in Washington? No, there isn’t. There is just a barely visible tip and the rest, iceberg-like, is under water and invisible. Neither Mr Kasuri nor Mr Jamali need see the invisible. This is partly the result of our internal fault-lines and partly where Pakistan finds itself today in the international arena. In time, we will have to deal with the internal fault-lines ourselves and rectify the country’s image internationally. Meanwhile, the US has to realise the fact that dealing with one person, preferably a military man, may have short-term advantages but is not without its long-term dangers. The prospect of making one phone-call and getting things done is indeed tempting. Who wants to deal with a cabinet, a legislature, committees, rules and regulations, in short, with a democratic and representative and accountable government? But the noise that democracy generates ultimately empowers people and adds to the layers in a relationship. Those layers Pakistan and the US have always lacked and still do. This is why, even as Pakistan remains an ally, Pakistanis remain suspect. This is also why the US has never been able to develop sound relations with Pakistan outside Islamabad.
In all honesty, while engaging the world diplomatically can be important, quite often this outreach is exaggerated. Mr Kasuri should thus know how the land lies. The different actors in Washington — official or unofficial — all have a perception of Pakistan. An increasing number consider the country more dangerous than Iraq and North Korea. Others think Pakistan’s trump card is its ability to nearly fail cyclically without going down entirely. Some think it is important to engage it because, to quote the chaos theorist Bob Kaplan, it is a “potential Yugoslavia with nuclear weapons”. Somewhere in between are those few who think it can still be put back on the rails, though even they won’t wager their money on anything beyond five years.
Thus the issue is not whether Washington is right or wrong about Pakistan. The problem is that the perception emanates from structural reasons and Mr Kasuri, however articulate he may be, can do little to change it without a drastic overhaul of the situation by his military masters.
That is why it is necessary to build a domestic consensus on how to strengthen democratic institutions, review our security doctrines and prevent wild swings in Pakistan’s US policy — oscillating between rabid opposition by the mullahs to the obsequiousness of others. These extremes are unnecessary even as it is important to engage the United States constructively. We have proposed reciprocity on the issue of INS registration. We believe that is a much more effective way of dealing with the issue than making phone-calls or pleading this case or that. Let Pakistan and the US get out of artificial cordiality and move towards a more honest expression of their relations. If they need each other, and we believe they do, let the relationship be built on something more solid than just immediate political necessities. *
It should be noted the the FBI wanted these men so they could question them. If anyone wants to label them as terrorists so be it, but the FBI did NOT call them terrorists. I'm shocked that you think the FBI should be "hung by their balls" for wanting to question these men, what crime is in that???
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It should be noted the the FBI wanted these men so they could question them.
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..and they were going to question them about the difference between a gyro and a shawarma?
Yes fraudiya that and how hte hell did they get their fake papers that terrorists use.
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..and they were going to question them about the difference between a gyro and a shawarma?
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At the time it was believed that these men illegally entered the U.S. Better safe than sorry, and there's no crime in wanting to question anyone, if people assume these men are terrorists that's not the FBI's fault.
What about Dr Amir Aziz who was a citizen of Pakistan in his own country? If nothing can be brought against him then isn't he due some sort of copmpensation for his time, not to mention the damage to his reputation?
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What about Dr Amir Aziz who was a citizen of Pakistan in his own country? If nothing can be brought against him then isn't he due some sort of copmpensation for his time, not to mention the damage to his reputation?
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What damage??? The FBI never accused him of anything. Police bring in people all the time to question them, sometimes their involved many times they are not in neither case do these people get some sort of compensation for their time or discomfort of being in a police office.
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At the time it was believed that these men illegally entered the U.S. Better safe than sorry, and there's no crime in wanting to question anyone, if people assume these men are terrorists that's not the FBI's fault.
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yep no one's fault in assuming. Especially if Members of the FBI's and New York Police Department's Joint Terrorism Task Force conducted four raids in Brooklyn and Queens.
or when Paul Bremer, a member of President Bush's Homeland Security Advisory Council says "The FBI is after these guys because they know something or they are trying to scare them,"
or pics of these folks on CNn. FOX, and all major news networks with the caption "war on terrorism" right next to it, as was teh case on the FBI website.
I agree, I dont see why people would assume that these guys are terrorists or were being pointed as terrorists.
bad assumers, bad..
FBI can do that in USA, but Dr Aziz isn't a US citizen.