Pakistani's, Opportunism & double standards

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antiobl: Zamindar saab yes I do know something about land and yes I have lived do live and spend time in and out of Pakistan. You see Zamindar saab a nation is not YOUR land that is why a danda should not be used for political problems..if you advocate using violence and politics when you see fit.. you are as backward and brutal a sardar as those you supposedly oppose..in fact worse..because those others you hate so much are at least honest about what they are..you on other hand aren’t…you do get high marks from me for posting a book review on Afghanistan in Pak affairs though..

Soomro: So the Waziristan operation is to stop smuggling :cb: God you are making more excuses for the inexcusable then George Bush made to invade Iraq.. you do make me laugh blitzy..apprently these tribals are so smart to smuggle things through all those checkpoints :cb: you do know what would happen if smuggling stopped in Pakistan? 50% of the rich fat cat friends of yours who make the real money from smuggling from peshawar to karachi would starve, the other 50% would be knocked out if there was ever a crackdown on sales tax fraud and income tax fraud..you know the rich businessmen who pay less income tax and sales tax than a grade 17 officer? (assuming you know what a grade 17 officer is)
on the plus side if that ever happened property prices would drop finally

..now go shoo Blitzy before you have to make a new nick..and let us civilised people have a proper discussion..

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Anything else to add or will you go on keeping secreting this kommie ANP propaganda?

The fact of the matter is that any if at all a tax is paid is through urban areas like karachi while waziris don’t pay a damn thing!

Come and counter that you moron! :omg:

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Why not study the history of the rise of industrial class in Pakistan? One example of the loot and plunder by the industrial class of Karachi-imported from Katiawar and Gujrat- would suffice; the ILA (Industrial Law Authority of Pakistan that framed laws for industrial loans ) was actually run by Khojas, Memons, and other industrial families of Karachi who also owned industries.

Till 1970 22 families of which roughly 18 were "Muhajirs" sucked it almost all until struck at by Bhutto as suggested by his wise economic minister Mubashir Hassan.

Pakistan styled itself as the front-line state during the whole Cold War and during the war on terror now but the actual front line was North-West in particular FATA...the strategic importance of North-West and FATA brought in huge aid which at times served as life-saving drug...Right now $$$s are pouring in thanks the sincere *war effort on *real terror in FATA...

How could Hamayun Ahktars rise as mega-industrialists?

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I agree with humayun akhtar's part akhtar abdur rehman made millions during the time of zia

Dr mubashir hasan is also a muhajir and he lives in lahore so you missed him.

Memons my friend are also very charitable.The edhi foundation is one example.

And who made the most of smuggling goods what was his name correct me if i am wrong the famous smuggler ayub afridi or some guy with the name of sultan i forgot his name.

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Zakk baboo! Okara tilling-contract was not a political problem. What the heck are you talking about?

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Interesting discussion, glad to see everyone participate with some patient and positive input.

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well said :Salute:

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Well put Amorphous :k:

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Who says show-shaw-lism (socialism) is dead?
Statements like these are a throwback to 1930s with made-up conspiracy theories against the industrialists.

Glad to see the same conspiracy theories are alive and well among the Kabuli Kommies.

Oh Baboo Khan! Bhaato’s action against Pakistani industrialists, bankers, and schools brought the whole country down to the dirt. And you have a gall to bring it back and being proud of it.

Bhutto was a thief and decoit at the national level. No industrialist was "sucking" it until these Commie-reds plundered my Pakistan. PECO, Ittefaq, or Saiguls, Cawasjis were no Muhajirs. They were all trying to build up the country. Too bad, none of the industrialist was strong enough like J.P. Morgan of New York. Otherwise Bhutto would be running to save his life with his tail nicely tucked in his rear.

Even if some of them were Muhajirs, they were thousands of time better than the unruly terrorists who destroyed Karachi later in the 80s.

Had Bhutto not looted these factories, and banks, Pakistan would have had tens of Mittels, and Tatas.

Bhutto destroyed not only the industries. It almost ruined our agriculture had it not been due to the strong opposition from the agri-lobby. Still he made people stand in long lines to get few kilos of red-flour and wet-sugar through his Commie-comrade run "ration-depots". Loot-Khasoot was the only outcome of this Commie-onslaught by those despicable characters like Mubashar Hasan.

Damn Commies, leave us alone.

p.s. Bhutto's actions were as bad as those of Mullahs if not worse. Sunni Mullahs are killing Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians thus destroying the social fabric of Pakistan.

Bhutto on the other hand didn much bigger damage by destroying economic fabric of the country.

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You tell us, he is after all of proud Afghan heritage!

The memon, gujrati, dehli sodagraan community has always been good at business, partly because of their culture. Such communities also exist in India. No need to get jealous over their success. They did it through sheer hard work. These are not land owning or heroin smuggling people.

Keep trying to dump Pakistan’s problems on everyone but pashtuns if it makes you sleep at night better. Keep promoting your tribalism and see how far you get in life.

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^ The 22 industrialists monopoly was a problem. Though I don't 100% agree what was the solution of bhutto about it. He should have used affirmative action to get people educated as they do in the States!

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No need to be side tracked, its not about what they did and what it resulted in, its about what they didn’t do for the Citizens of Pakistan. Its about the hypocrisy of the whole thing, be it MMA PPP PML or the Army, its not about FATA or NWFP its about all of Pakistan. Its about not delivering the goods to the people of Pakistan. There is no doubt that we as Pakistanis are equaly responsible for its ills, but the establishment the leadership has taken it a step further. Do you think that the people living in the most developed areas of Pakistan are some how immune to police brutality, badshahgardi, poverty, state corruption, no, they live under the same conditions as anyone living in Chaghi or Thata. The abuse of law and hypocrisy by the establishment is common through out Pakistan. As long as the courts and other state institutions are used to impose the establishments policy on the people of Pakistan there is no relief for an ordinary Pakistani from this hypocrisy.

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^ true MM it's the old argument by rapists and criminals..of blaming the victim. This is the same mentalityof a section of our society I mentioned at the start...It's always the victims fault...it is always the politicians fault for being weak and letting the Army in..not the Army leaderships fault for breaking their oath. It is the peoples fault that we have corrupt leaders..and not the Faujis and civil servants who manufactured those corrupt politicians. It is the peoples fault the MQM came into power and not the people in Islamabad who discriminated against the locals, it is the peoples fault that the mullahs came to power and not the fault of the army who gave them free reign before the elections..it is always somebody elses fault. It is the peoples fault the Waziristan operation happened and not the intelligence agencies and border police ..the former who told the locals that these people were fighting a jihad..the latter who didn't do their job and allowed these people to walk freely in..the real criminals walk away and the rest of us watch and cheer as the innocent and the small fry take the fall for someone elses mistakes.

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I wish it was as simple as "politicians letting Army in......". For some reason we all have short memories. It was only recently that is in late 1990s, every Tom, Dick, and Harry of our political establishment was hell bent on one thing. Just one thing. You know what was that?

Here is a clue! It wasn't the supremacy of the political system they [politicians] were after...
It wasn't the constitution they wanted to hold high.....

Their objective was just one! Bring down the gd@maned government of Nawaz Sharif. Mullahs and Ayatullahs, Mohajirs or non-Mohajirs, BB or Mr. 10% everyone was chanting in unison that Nawaz must be brought down and dragged through the streets. They all were actively and overtly begging the military to come in and kick out an elected government.

Long marches or a threat to launch one, were the order of the day. Military Aa Ja! Fauji Aa Ja! were the slogans.

This was all based on knowing fully well, that military comes when politicians beg for it. Military goes only when generals are ready for it.

Aaana politicians ki marzi say, jaana fauj ki marzi say (Army comes when politicians beg for it, Army goes when the generals are sick and tired of running the country).

Easy to forget history baby, easy to forget.

ik sawal !
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What monopoly are you talking about baboo?
Monopoly means one person owning the whole daggon thingy. These 22 families were in all sorts of different areas of industry. How could they monopolize the things?

Nationalization is on the other hand "monopolization". Why because just one entity i.e. the government becomes the sole owner of everything.

I guess we all need some basic lessons of economy sometimes!

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Not only the politicians were unhappy with mian saab in his second term at the office but also the army chief.Musharraf was not happy when we backed out of kargil which many analyst believe was a mistake.

The appointment of khawaja ziauddin which brought the coup.

The Like minded groupof PML under mian azhar so he was facing differences within his party.

BB and Mr 10% always want to be in power so there trips to GHQ were no suprise.

MQM was against him because he launched operations against them in his previous term as well as arrests of workers etc

Mian saab was also brought into politics by the army so no suprise that he was thrown by te army.I think musharraf was more popular then asif nawaz so the army backed him as well.

The other reasons could be the american factor .The 1998 nuclear tests which his government did without the approval of washington angered them as well so the establishment might have been told to remove him as soon as possible.

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the games people play anti..the noble faujis coming in because the people cried and wept…is as much a myth as anything else. Musharraf did not overthrow Nawaz because the people touched his shoes and begged him to save the nation, he did it because he was fired..it was self interest and not national interest..

..another myth ..like the one about Zia coming in because the people begged him..no he acted even though the PPP and PNA had struck an agreement..he knew that if implemented he could never come into power. The story was much the same for Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan..the Army comes when it sees a way to exploit a bad situation..it leave when it has left things worse..

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What's wrong with MODS on this forum??????Would these Afghanis and Indians allow us to post such trash on their forums????? I mean discussing such issues is a different thing but i am sick of these posts by some bigots full of hatered. Maybe the MODS need to be more strict on these trouble makers who SIMPLY come here to post trash.

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^MG,
your concern is valid, but this thread isnt a case of what youve mentioned. at least not yet :)

its good to be
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^^Haris, it may not but i have seen hundreds of such posts in politics section where some losers are posting offensive posts and abusing Pakistan openly.
I have visited some other forums(non pakistani) as well and they will NEVER let anyone make offensive comments about their nation.