that is why Pakistanis do considerably less well than those bad bad hindus right…who cares if muslims are less educated, live on gov’t sustenance, unemployed, dissatisfied with their lives when compared to their hindu compatriots on average. Hey, we got our culture and religion… 
rhetoric makes for ugly numbers
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Don’t jump to conclusions, there is no correlation between adherence to our religion and not being well off, in fact Pakistanis who are most devoted to their religion are usually the ones who are academically successful and have booming careers, in most UK cities I’ve been to it’s usually the bearded Pathan types who are the educated professionals and the ghetto types are the ones who come from liberal family backgrounds.
Islam and our values are in no way a hindrance to being progressive if your definition of progress is right, our religion is not strict it just has regulations and rules. Anyone who is true to his good values in the face of adversities is commendable unlike Hindus who change with the wind.
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^ then how come muslims from SAsia in the UK do worse than hindus in socioeconomic factors. What is it..they are brown, pretty much the same racial stock, come from similar economic backgrounds back home, what is it?
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drives me mad!
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^ P Diddy has that effect on some people..anyway the question brought up by P Diddy is quite interesting and totally unrelated to this thread. But why are American Pakistanis so much more successful than UK Pakistanis? Why are Bengalis in Pakistan the least successful South Asian group?
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PArt of the reason is wihtin the constructs of the british society vs. American one. The latter is about assimilation and enriching the melting pot, like other immigrants have done. Something which is absent in the UK. UK is also a lot more racist than the US.
The other part is the willingness to become a part of the society, that means adopting the values of the place you call home or adapting them to your values. Pakistanis in the US, are also falling victim to the self imposed exclusonary paradigm. I have written about this before.
see below from AAFNY
http://www.aafny.org/proom/pr/pr20041201.asp
Key profile statistics (involving 2000 census data unless stated otherwise) include the following:
From 1990 to 2000, New York City’s Pakistani American population grew from 13,501 to 34,310, or 154 percent – surpassing increases of 9 percent for the city overall and 71 percent for all Asian New Yorkers.
More than one-third (34 percent) of Pakistani American children and more than one-fourth (28 percent) of all Pakistanis in New York City lived in poverty – exceeding 30 percent of all children and 21 percent of all residents in the city.
Pakistani New Yorkers’ per capita income was $11,992 – about half of the city-wide figure ($22,402).
Two out of 3 elderly Pakistani Americans (67 percent) and nearly half (48 percent) of all Pakistani adults in New York City had “Limited English Proficiency” – markedly surpassing 27 percent of all elderly New Yorkers and 24 percent of all city adults.
New York City’s Pakistani American households averaged 4.1 occupants – far more than 2.6 city-wide.
Almost one-third (32 percent) of Pakistani American adults in New York City had not finished high school – compared with 28 percent of all adult New Yorkers.
With a 79 percent foreign-born population, New York City’s Pakistani Americans were more than twice as likely to be immigrants as city residents overall, of whom 36 percent were born outside the United States.
Most Pakistani Americans in the city lived in Queens, with 45 percent of Pakistani New Yorkers (15,604 people), or Brooklyn, with 41 percent (14,221). The rest of the city’s Pakistani population was distributed about evenly among the Bronx, Manhattan and Staten Island.
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But I think the prime reason for the difference in Pakistani American and British Pakistanis is the kind of people who migrated.
In US generally professionals migrate and especially those of young age. While Canada, England and Germany attracted people from all walks of life and older, retired kind more compared to US mainly because of having a better health infrastructure & lower medical expenses.
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^ The numbers are changing AJ. I am seeing similar effects ala UK. Immigration pattern has changed.
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I don't dispute that bhaijaan but still it's a far cry from the stories I hear about British Pakistanis.
Do you think if Pakistanis (or desis in general) try to find the American dream else where than the NYC the picture might be different?
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How the hell did you come to that conclusion? The average Hindu looks like
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whilst the average Paki will look like
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.
Don’t you ever dare go associating us Pakistanis to you Indians.
The reason Hindus on average do better is one because they’re good at kissing arse, secondly they have no life except for studying their brown butts off in front of a radioactive monitor all year round and thirdly because their generations got a head start in education, when our ancestors were mourning our lost grandeur from the times of Muhmmad Bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznavi, Mohammad Ghori and the Mughals, the Hindus were making use of every opportunity to excel by licking White arse, whilst we Muslims could never degrade ourselves in front of mere shopkeepers you Hindus didn’t have that to worry about as you were already lowest of the low and the only way for you was up. We were too proud to think the ways of the ferrangi colonists to be of any importance, that was probably our weakness and let us down, there is nothing wrong with gaining secular education of the non-Muslims for our advantage, if we’d been as manipulating and cunning as Hindus, Hindustan would again have been in the hands of its rightful owners, but ahh well what good would have socio-economic progress have been if we’d lost our culture, like you Hindus, go to any beach in Goa and your monkey chicks will be wearing the stars and the stripes or union jack boob tubes instead of the tiranga
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See Ranjhan, you can say exactly the same thing with fewer words and a bit more colour…
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^ AJ I would tend to think so. I don't think the situation is as bad let's say in Dallas vis-a-vis NY. The peoblem in NY is the established culture of dependency wihtin a already insular community. Look at chinatowns across the country, or spanish harlem, there ar epeople here who frankly have lived here for over 30-40 years, but they wlk outside and everything is in chinese or spanish, the newspapers, the radio, tv, people walking around, the stores, etc etc..
You put a chinaman in Alabama and he will be speaking in a drawl and trying to assimilate faster than a deliveryman from Hop Kee gets you your Pork fried rice.
While it is good to see cultural attributes of a community, say spanish harlem or chinatown, or places like Jackson Heights, it also leads to ghettoization of sorts.
And Ranjhan...500 million people of northern India are the same racial stock as your pakistani bretheren. They look the same, the eat the same, they even talk the same. That is 3 times the populatin of Pakistan. So I would recommend that you get out of your fanciful world and face the reality, you short, and dark Paki. :p
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AJ..very astute observation..I had to deal with the commission on the riots in England back in 2002 ..and I’ve read the stats..it has a lot to do with socio-economic background..a proper comparison would be between the Pak community in Britian and the Latino or African American Community in the states. It’s a cultural perception…the yanks look down on African people because of slavery, while the British looked down upon South Asians because of the Raj..within that you have the background of those who migrated..the Bengalis are mostly Sylhetis and most middle class bengalis from Bangladesh look at that area as poverty ridden..Similarly most of the Pakistanis are from Mirpur..things are changing because Britain has introduced a highly skilled workers programme which is changing the migration dynamics..but to assume it’s because of religion is just a sign of someones personal biases…
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most of the pakistanis i know in california are well off. i think it is because they came to the u.s to study. and the reason indians do better is not cause they suck up it is because they are smart. the company my dad works at just hired bunch of indian workers, the women wear shelwar kameez to work and cook indian food in the cafeteria. the only reason a company would hire them is because they have a brain. and indians value education way more then pakistanis.
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From what I’ve seen, Pakis aren’t doing well , because they believe if they’re poor, then it’s their kismat, and who are they to change their status, because money comes from Allah :halo: Too many morons believe that if they try to get ahead and succeed in life, it’s going agaisnt their religious beliefs 
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And sara, you live in NYC?
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yes, why
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It all depends on who you meet. I've met Pakistanis in America with all kinds of jobs and careers with varying levels of success. They all seem happy with thier life in America with whatever job or career or amount of money they have.
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Yeah yeah...India is rich and educated look everywhere in India nothing but prosperity.
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i hear in toronto there are a lot of pakistanis. my aunt told me that there are whole apartement complexes filled with pakistani families. and i dont think people in pakistan understand that you have to work hard in the u.s. to make money and just living here wont make you rich.
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^ Tell me bout it… They always expect stuff when u go back and i really wish I could get some of my relatives really nice special things but I can’t, coz then someone will be liek “why did i get this? i want that” blah blah, so my mom just goes to those wholesale stores and buys the same of everything so no one will think they got ripped off One of my cousins was telling me that she bought a whole lot of clothes for her son to wear to my other cousins’ wedding, and she told everybody that we bought them from america…she understands that we cant afford to do that (to buy clothes for her son, coz then we’d hav to buy clothes for everyone’s baby), but she also explained to me that they wudnt understand and wud just gossip that “oh, apnee zaroortan poori karlay thay hain amreeka main, ligin gift nahi lakya saktay” (meaning, we fulfill all our needs --food, clothing, etc—but we can’t buy gifts)