Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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OBL couldn't be be charged because he was never arrested. You cant charge someone who runs of and hides until you catch him.

They tried to link AQ with Iraq because GWB and Cheney were human turds who would have done and said anything to find an excuse to invade Iraq and take out Saddam.

TTP was not created to fight India. TTP is an offshoot of the original Taliban run by Mullah Omar, which was created to be a proxy of Pakistan in Afghanistan. They are allied with groups who's main target is India and want a liberated Kashmir. Those groups are mostly Punjabi and were created by or supported by the establishment in Pakistan. TTP attacks the Pak govt because 1. Pakistan is allied with the US in Afghanistan. 2. The Taliban want power, and they want to spread their ideology, and the Pakistani establishmet is all that stands in their way.
The reason there are no attack in Kashmir is because the Pak govt is no longer facilitating extremist groups fighting in Kashmir, since peace is now in vogue and the govt is distracted by happenings on the Western border and domestic issues. Unfortunately, those same groups whos interests overlapped the pakistanis, now run counter to Paks. hence they are also now enemies of the state.

And now your saying the US killed Benazir. For god sakes man... You sound like a schizophrenic.

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**A person who has not been arrested can be charged. The prosecutors can write up and present the charges, and have a judge issue a warrant for the arrest of the suspect. Sometimes years can go by before the charged person is located and arrested.

**If Bush and Cheney can lie then how can I take anyones word at face value ever again.

If the TTP is allied with Afghan Taleban then why is the US not eliminating them? Mercenary gave 2 names for TTP militants that had been killed by US drones out of about 2,000 killed so far. One of the principles of warfare is MASS. Now why is the Taleban diverting its resources to launch a new front when they need to concentrate their resources for a push against their immediate enemy no.1. Pakistan will always be there, and they can fight Pakistan another day. Why are they trying to weaken themselves and also get a lot of bad publicity at a time they need public support? However the fact is the TTP has nothing to do with Taleban and is sponsored by foreign agencies.

I am not commenting about BB. However an important personality that can help us get to the bottom of her assasination has been eliminated. US drones have only killed 2 TTP militants out of about 2,000 people killed so far and one of them was linked by some to the assasination of BB.

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Afghan-Pakistani Taliban close ranks
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/world/asia/27taliban.html
And read this too. Pakistani and Afghan Taliban decide to focus on NATO in Afghanistan.
Pakistani militants and Taliban join forces against NATO | NewsPakistan.PK
I wonder what the Americans must be planning now? Getting their own proxies to attack them. These Americans…too devious… :smiley:

The Tribals make up the TTP. Its not uncircumcised Indians who make up the TTP. :rotfl: Al Qaeda are working with TTP to sow death and destruction in Pakistan. The two people I named are leaders of TTP much like Osama bin laden and Ayman Al Zawahiri are leaders of Al Qaeda. Countless foot soldiers and mid-level lieutenants have been killed in drone strikes.

The TTP are made up of Pakistanis whose primary focus is establishing Sharia Law in Pakistan just like the Afghan Taliban whose primary focus is establishing Sharia Law in Afghanistan. US have killed TTP terrorists, TTP have attacked American CIA Agents and American drones have taken out TTP. If you don’t understand this, then that’s not my problem.

Afghan Taliban represents less than 10% of Afghan people. They are an extremist terrorist organization who doesn’t represent the Afghan people.

TTP is an indigenous movement that started in Pakistan due to Pakistan’s jihad policies. This is a Frankenstein monster run amok. Keep breeding more Jihadists in these madrassas and this will be the end result.

Its actually common sense. Even when the Taliban controlled Afghanistan they were fighting the Northern Alliance, so all their focus was on the Northern Alliance or against India in Kashmir. Since both avenues stopped and these Taliban flooded the Tribal Areas, their ideology breeded this indigenous Pakistani Taliban which is focused in bringing the same style of government which Pakistan has been obsessed with exporting to its neighbours in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

Drones have devastated TTP. The two people I listed are the leaders of the TTP. Countless foot soldiers, and mid-level lieutenants have been taken out. And thus you can see the huge drop in terrorist attacks in Pakistan, thanks to the Drones.

Zardari was voted in by the Pakistani people. Stop blaming America for the stupidity of the Pakistani people.
The TTP can sponsor themselves. With all the TTP sympathisers in Pakistani Military, and the Islamic Parties of Pakistan who collect charities for them.

Exactly. The Pakistani Government is not Islamic and that’s why the TTP wants to bring about an extremist Islamic Government in Pakistan. Afghanista is not also not an Islamic Government and the Afghan Taliban want to bring about an extremist Islamic Government there as well. Thanks for agreeing with me. :smiley:

I have proved you wrong more times than I can count. The onus is on you to prove your conspiracy nonsense. I asked for proof that US supports the TTP and you failed totally and miserably to come up with any proof.

The metrics for that proof that US supports the TTP could be intercepted communication between TTP and its American handlers, Weapon transfers to TTP, proof on dead TTP, interrogations from TTP confessing they are working for America, etc.
And you came up with “Rupee News”, lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….

And you want proof that US doesn’t support TTP….well then how about US drones taking out TTP leaders, TTP killing CIA agents, TTP trying to blow up Times Square in New York City, TTP kidnapping American citizens in Lahore, TTP attacking NATO convoys in Pakistan, etc…
And what was your proof? Tattos, Rupee News, Uncircumcized Penises, etc. :rotfl::rotfl:

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^^^

If the CIA drones had not been able to kill the leaders of the factions in 30 strikes according to your report then how could the reporters get close to the Taleban to get details of what was going on, when the CIA could not get close to them? If you keep planting stories in newspapers then eventually opinion is accepted as fact and perception become reality. They say that truth is the first casualty of war.

CIA could not kill Mullah Nazir in 30 strikes upto 2009 and god knows how much more since and yet only manages to kill him recently when he asks the TTP to move out of Waziristan. How convenient.

The facts don't backup your rhetoric.

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Arshad Prah, give it up yaar.

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Please listen to Dunya news program by Kamram Shahid; pakistani pakhtoon Saleem Safi talks about TTP and their agenda:

Dunya News-On The Front With Kamran Shahid-06-01-2013 - YouTube

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Maybe because the reporters get invited, then get blind folded and then get taken to the Taliban to be interviewed. Its standard procedure for interviewing rogue people such as the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc.

CIA is not God. Stop associating them with God like powers that they can do everything and anything at their will.

Your co-relation is laughable. Its like saying that it was 40 Degrees in Lahore and Pakistan while playing a Test Match in Australia won it.

And thus we can develop a co-relation that each time it is 40 Degrees in Lahore, Pakistan will win a Test Match while playing in Australia.

Get a grip.

US Drone Program is taking out every and all individuals who are associated with the Taliban, and Al Qaeda terrorists. There is no difference between the Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban.

Its people like you who were brainwashed from childhood thinking that Pakistan is this great Islamic State and at the vanguard of Islamic causes that you cannot comprehend how can the tribal militants who for years have been brainwashed by the Pakistani Military and Government into waging jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir have now turned their guns on Pakistan.

The fact of the matter is the type of Islamic Revolution that Pakistan wanted to bring in Kashmir and Afghanistan doesn't exist in Pakistan. And thus, Pakistan created this Frankenstein monster and this monster has turned on its master. The TTP wants to bring about an extremist Islamic Government in Pakistan similar to the Afghan Taliban wanting to bring a similar government in Afghanistan.

But since that means that Taliban will kill Muslim Pakistanis, you invent nonsensical, and irrational conspiracy mumbo jumbo that TTP are being supported by foreign elements with not a single IOTA of evidence to back up this claim.

The best you could do was Rupee News, Blog Sites, Tattoos, Uncircumcised Penis as the grand evidence of Foreign involvement.

If you would take this evidence to court, you will get laughed out. :D

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**Upto 3,500 people killed in drone strikes according to UK group and yet terrorism is increasing in Pakistan thanks to the US presence and its sponsorship of militants. Upto 3,500 killed but who has the US been killing? Not the TTP it seems. The sooner the US leaves the region the sooner peace will return.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

US drones kill six in NWA **
MIRANSHAH: US drones fired missiles into a compound and a motorbike in the Tribal Areas, killing at least six militants on Thursday, local security officials said. It was the fifth American drone strike reported in Pakistan in a week, the heaviest concentration since last August, according to an AFP tally. Pakistani security officials said US drones fired four missiles – two at a house and another two at a nearby motorbike, killing four militants in the house and two on the bike. The attack took place in Heso Khel village on the edge of Mir Ali town, around 35 kilometres east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan, a notorious stronghold of Taliban and al Qaeda-linked militants. “Six drones were in the sky at the time of the attack. One drone fired two missiles at a house while a second drone fired another two at a motorcycle,” a security official based in Miranshah told AFP. “The compound was completely destroyed, bodies of all those killed were badly mutilated,” the official added, putting the death toll at six. A local resident said militants were seen collecting burnt bodies. A security official in Peshawar confirmed the attack but said the identity of the dead was not yet known. Thursday’s strike brings to 36 the number of militants reported killed in Pakistan in five drone strikes since January 3. The covert strikes are publicly criticised by the Pakistani government as a violation of sovereignty but American officials believe they are a vital weapon in the war against militants. Few of the victims are publicly identified, but on January 3 Pakistani officials said warlord Mullah Nazir was killed in a strike on South Waziristan.

He sent fighters into battle in Afghanistan and was accused of sheltering al Qaeda in South Waziristan. According to the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism, between 2,627 and 3,457 people have been reportedly killed by US drones in Pakistan since 2004, including between 475 and nearly 900 civilians. afp

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You are right, all of Foreign agencies are dying in Love of Pakistan. Its a big sin for them to think against the Pakistan sovereignty and same for us to have doubt on them.
All the things which they are doing just for the sake of Pakistan and they have no benefit. I’m really impressed with you and your type of people thoughts and salute them :salute: You all are genius :k:

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Who are carrying out the attacks? Who are their leaders? Has the government/military ever presented the proofs of foreign involvement to any one within or outside the country? When ever some attack takes place and the perpetrators are in difficulty their apologists wont disappoint you in creating confusions and muddying the situation.

I might not be a genius but I can see backfiring of our policies in Kashmir and Afghanistan.

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I am already agree with you dude, that these are not Forefingers so why you are repeating your words again and again :) Our Govt and especially Military is involved all these attacks and foreigners never involves in our policies, they love Pakistan more then any common Pakistani. aab khush :)

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To expose the militants and their links and to prevent the attacks from happening are all the roles of the intelligence. If after losing more than 40000 people the intelligence has not been able to provide any proof, it raises a question mark on their competence. In other countries a few terrorist attacks took place and they improved their intelligence to prevent them from reoccurring. In Pakistan terrorism is a daily routine.

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Please don't high your blood pressure as I m already agree with you dude :) Our intelligences are nothing infront of CIA and we should take proper training from them even i think we should hire CIA or Mosad personnel to fight with us against terrorism :)

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Does anyone remember attack on Camp Chapman in Afghanistan when a CIA agent killed 7 CIA handlers and 1 Jordanian GID handler.

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THANK YOU!

this is the simple reality. why is it so difficult for so many to understand this simple thing! I mean these guys are getting blown up l/r&c and still insist on fooling themselves!

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They dont love Pakistan, but they dont hate it either. Point is, there is no reason for them to get involved, and there certainly is no reason for any "foreign' agency to want to destabilize Pakistan.

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I am paranoid but am I more paranoid than Israel and the US that think that Iran is going to have nuclear weapons very soon? am I more paranoid than the US when it was saying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, am I more paranoid than the US which thinks everyone out there is a terrorist and out to get it, including its own citizens on whom it spies, not just a few citizens but each and everyone of them.

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You jump all over the place Arshad. Stay on point.

Iran may be trying to get a nuclear bomb. Or perhaps they are not. I dont know about nuclear technology and neither do you so conjecture on whether they are or are not trying to build one given what is known is just that.

I think the Israelis and the US right or wrong, are simply taking no chances. The consequences of a nuclear war re just that terrifying.

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There is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons yet Israel and the US are paranoid about Iran. Even if Iran had nuclear weapons it would only use them in self-defence. Why is it OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons? Israel has a more unstable record than Iran. It has a record of disregard for international law and bullying other countries. It has a record of extra-judicial killings of its opponents. It has a record of carrying out massacres.

So the ability to have weapons whilst trying to deny them to others is more important than if Pakistan survives or not. I have watched the war in Afghanistan for more than 11 years and have reached the conclusion after 11 years, so I don't think that is called being paranoid under any definition of the word. On the contrary this suggests that I don't jump to conclusions until I have satisfied my own mind. It has been 5 years since BB was assasinated but I have not made a claim of who was behind it, as I am not satisfied myself, I need more information.

OK getting back to the topic can someone tell me about Camp Chapman?

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^ really? which country's president proclaims he is going to wipe Isreal of the map?