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^ really? which country's president proclaims he is going to wipe Isreal of the map?
If you believe what everyone says without applying your own mind then you are truely a simpleton.
The only scenario that I can see it happening is if Israel were to attack Iran. Iran has made no secret that it will retaliate with full force to any attack, but still I doubt that Israel will be wiped from the map however it will have to pay a very heavy price.
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Joke of the Century!
USA strategy, their Marshal Plan and producing people like Musharraf and TUQ in 3rd World
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^ language jasos pai! incoherence is no excuse for abuse.
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I've replied him in same tone in which he replied :)
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Does anyone remember attack on Camp Chapman in Afghanistan when a CIA agent killed 7 CIA handlers and 1 Jordanian GID handler.
I think CIA agent was a Jordanian double agent!
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Camp Chapman is a CIA base located in Khost province in Afghanistan next to Pakistan.
From this base CIA run terrorists inside FATA. 8 handlers were killed now using simple maths we can deduce the following based on the assumption that only 8 handlers operate from this base although it could be more, and that each handler operates 5 terrorists. So we can conclude that perhaps around 40 terrorists were run from this base. Now since TTP terrorism has been increasing in Pakistan whilst upto 3,500 people have been killed in drone strikes,we can conclude that drones are not killing the TTP terrorists, and that most of the CIA terrorists are involved in this group on the balance of probability.
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Camp Chapman is a CIA base located in Khost province in Afghanistan next to Pakistan.
From this base CIA run terrorists inside FATA. 8 handlers were killed now using simple maths we can deduce the following based on the assumption that only 8 handlers operate from this base although it could be more, and that each handler operates 5 terrorists. So we can conclude that perhaps around 40 terrorists were run from this base. Now since TTP terrorism has been increasing in Pakistan whilst upto 3,500 people have been killed in drone strikes,we can conclude that drones are not killing the TTP terrorists, and that most of the CIA terrorists are involved in this group on the balance of probability.
The base was used to find Osama Bin Laden.
But of course, since you have an open line with CIA and ISI, you seem to know everything.
TTP are being wiped out on a daily basis.
You and your arguments have been thoroughly debunked.
But please continue your rant. :D
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The base was used to find Osama Bin Laden.
But of course, since you have an open line with CIA and ISI, you seem to know everything.
TTP are being wiped out on a daily basis.
You and your arguments have been thoroughly debunked.
But please continue your rant. :D
Did the CIA have or did it not have terrorist agents inside TTP? It is a very simple question.
BTW OBL was in Abbottabad and was found via his courier or so we are told using communication spy satellites or Echelon.
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Camp Chapman is a CIA base located in Khost province in Afghanistan next to Pakistan.
From this base CIA run terrorists inside FATA. 8 handlers were killed now using simple maths we can deduce the following based on the assumption that only 8 handlers operate from this base although it could be more, and that each handler operates 5 terrorists. So we can conclude that perhaps around 40 terrorists were run from this base. Now since TTP terrorism has been increasing in Pakistan whilst upto 3,500 people have been killed in drone strikes,we can conclude that drones are not killing the TTP terrorists, and that most of the CIA terrorists are involved in this group on the balance of probability.
What are you even talking about?!?
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Well I cant help but reply to stupidity with derision. I mean, Paranoid delusions should be treated with medication, but gupshup is not the place for it…
Dont get angry, your a victim of state policy, its not your fault. 
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Really? Musharaf was created by America! :rotfl:
Your becoming a joke dude. and it only took 436 posts.
Where in that CNN video did you figure out the US “produced” Musharraf and TUQ? Are your hearing things?
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There is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons yet Israel and the US are paranoid about Iran. Even if Iran had nuclear weapons it would only use them in self-defence. Why is it OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons? Israel has a more unstable record than Iran. It has a record of disregard for international law and bullying other countries. It has a record of extra-judicial killings of its opponents. It has a record of carrying out massacres.
So the ability to have weapons whilst trying to deny them to others is more important than if Pakistan survives or not. I have watched the war in Afghanistan for more than 11 years and have reached the conclusion after 11 years, so I don't think that is called being paranoid under any definition of the word. On the contrary this suggests that I don't jump to conclusions until I have satisfied my own mind. It has been 5 years since BB was assasinated but I have not made a claim of who was behind it, as I am not satisfied myself, I need more information.
OK getting back to the topic can someone tell me about Camp Chapman?
Arshad, for god sakes.
They only have evidence that they will have the capacity to build one. Its not that they WILL build it, its that they CAN. They dont trust the Iranians enough to even allow them the potential capacity to build one.
You have been viewing Afghanistan through paranoid googles. Nothing more. We have all been watching Afghanistan, some of us have been watching Afghanistan for the past 40 years. Yet your the one who has it all figured out.
Your entire world view is paranoid and everything you have posted sounds absurd and unbelievable.
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Arshad, for god sakes.
They only have evidence that they will have the capacity to build one. Its not that they WILL build it, its that they CAN. They dont trust the Iranians enough to even allow them the potential capacity to build one.
You have been viewing Afghanistan through paranoid googles. Nothing more. We have all been watching Afghanistan, some of us have been watching Afghanistan for the past 40 years. Yet your the one who has it all figured out.
Your entire world view is paranoid and everything you have posted sounds absurd and unbelievable.
Paranoid....absurd.....unbelieveable...is that the way that you counter my argument? Tell me what you disgree with and why? Backup your arguments with logic instead of using emotive words.
Are you saying that a nation cannot develop nuclear energy as it could have a capacity to use it to build nuclear weapons? So who decides whether it is ok to have nuclear energy or nuclear weapons? The ones that have it already? Its like Eurpoean invaders having rifles but not letting the native americans have it, as that would allow them to defend themselves against the invaders....now we can't have that can we now.
Why has it been ok for them to help Israel to acquire nuclear weapons.
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You can’t figured it out with your brain dude as you see only one side and for other side your have to open up which is a difficult task for u 
BTW you are looking like a real joker dude
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So, have you finished your medication 
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Did the CIA have or did it not have terrorist agents inside TTP? It is a very simple question.
BTW OBL was in Abbottabad and was found via his courier or so we are told using communication spy satellites or Echelon.
So according to your logic, if some agency has spies in a group that means that group works for that agency.
So during the Cold War if CIA had spies in KGB, that meant that KGB was working for the CIA?
CIA has spies in TTP, Afghan Taliban, etc. to find and kill these terrorists.
The fact that the TTP killed 9 American CIA Agents and 1 Jordanian Agent proves that there is no complicit relationship between the two.
Its just a ridiculous and nutty conspiracy theory conjured up by people to explain the disastrous backfiring of Pakistan's jihad policies.
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So according to your logic, if some agency has spies in a group that means that group works for that agency.
So during the Cold War if CIA had spies in KGB, that meant that KGB was working for the CIA?
CIA has spies in TTP, Afghan Taliban, etc. to find and kill these terrorists.
The fact that the TTP killed 9 American CIA Agents and 1 Jordanian Agent proves that there is no complicit relationship between the two.
Its just a ridiculous and nutty conspiracy theory conjured up by people to explain the disastrous backfiring of Pakistan's jihad policies.
You finally admit that CIA has terrorists within TTP although you call them spies. We seem to be making slow progress. If a spy is a member of a terrorist organisation that means he is a terrorist and taking part in terrorism.
Then you state that the reason for CIA having terrorists in TTP is to destroy the organisation. However there is no evidence that the organisation is being destroyed. In fact it is carrying out more terrorism than ever before. Upto 3,500 people have been killed by drone strikes yet TTP has more capability now than it ever did before. So your claim of CIA wishing to destroy TTP are false if anything the opponents of TTP have been eliminated which only strengthens the TTP.
Then you try to confuse the issue with saying that having terrorists inside TTP is the same as trying to get information about the Soviets during cold war. The difference was that one was limited to information gathering, which now is done largely electronically anyway but the support for TTP actually involves murder, terrorism, financial and logistics support, elimination of their opponents and creating instability in a country that is supposed to be an ally. It weakens the state that you pretend that you want to strengthen and support. Do you actually weaken it first and then coming like a hero and say that we are the saviour of the nation?
Then you end with trying to ridicule me and then end with trying to scare us that Pakistan is now facing blowback. So is the CIA support for TTP an attempt to frighten Pakistan and to get it to change its policies using the bogey of blowback? That would also explain why TTP is doing silly things like trying to attack Malala, destroying schools, killings innocents, that only create more hate for it each day amongst the public. So is the plan to create so much violence that people get fed up and say enough is enough? So is the blood of Pakistani people so cheap that it is being used to further the agenda of the US?
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Of course USA has spies in various terrorist groups. I would be surprised if they didn’t. Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, TTP, etc. I am glad they have spies in these networks so that they can get a headsup on any future terrorist attacks. Why do you think the Drone Campaign has been so effective in killing off these TTP animals?
Your analogy is ridicious. Its like saying if the FBI has a spy in the Mafia, that means the FBI is a Mafia organization? Do you even read what you type? 
TTP terrorism has decreased from the dark days of 2008-2010. Some terrorism do occur but TTP operation tempo has been greatly reduced. Before 100 people were killed on a daily basis now it occurs on a weekly basis. Sad but its still an improvement nonetheless. But many more Drone Strikes are needed before these animals are wiped out. However, Drones would not be needed if the Pakistani Army actually did its job in defending the nation rahter than playing hide and seek with India.
TTP are not that technological savy, you need human intelligence rather than signal intelligence. And thus having intelligence agents within terrorist organizations such as TTP greatly assists in wiping out these animals.
The blowback is occuring because for years Pakistan has been brainwashing people and sending to fight jihad and implement Sharia Law where as Pakistan never had that type of government. As the saying goes, “Charity begins at home”. And thus before they export Jihad to foreign lands, these guys have turned their guns on Pakistan to implement a draconian Sharia Law. But since you cannot comprehend a Jihadist attacking the Fortress of Islam aka Pakistan, you have to console yourself by inventing nonsensical conspiracy nonsesne that any person who attacks Pakistan must be foreign supported rahter than doing some soul searching and figuring out that this nothing more than the fallout from Pakistan’s disastarous jihad policies.
The TTP have not done anything differently than what the Afghan Taliban are doing in Afghanistan. Blowing up girls schools, stoning women, throwing acid, recruiting kids to be suicide bombers. But over there you call their struggle a fight for freedom. When the Pakistani Taliban do the same in Pakistan, you call them American backed agents. Thats the height of hypocracy.
The blood of Pakistanis will continue to flow until people like you finally stop blaming all the problems of Pakistan on boogey men such as India, RAW, Israel, Mossad, Jews, CIA, America, Zionists, BlackWater, etc. and take responsibility for your own actions.
But who am I kidding. Keep on blaming other for your problems. Its the Cowardly way out.
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We are getting there slowly. You have admitted that TTP is supported by CIA. Then you go on to justify CIA support by saying that:
a) It allows CIA to get informatiuon about future attacks
b) Drone strikes become effective as a result of having CIA agents inside TTP.
However you admit that TTP is still active due to according to you lack of sufficient drone strikes to eliminate TTP.
Despite having admitted CIA involvement in TTP you don’t think that CIA is a terrorist organisation.
I don’t think that I need to add anything further to your views, except that there is a difference between FBI having an agent within a Mafia Organisation, and CIA having agents in a terrorist organisation. The difference is that FBI agent is not above the law, he cannot indulge in criminality or murder without being held to account by the law of the land. CIA terrorists are free to commit murder, explode bombs and indulge in terrorism. CIA is above law. They are doing this in a sovereign country, that is supposed to be an ally makes it worse. They are doing it in a country that fought for them, and for peanuts made them the sole superpower is worse. They are now destabilising a country that won the cold war for them. That has been struggling for more than 3 decades, with the blowback froms it support of the US. Even now without Pakistani support, the US would not be able to stay in Afghanistan. In return it has got terrorism, its economy has been weakened, its citzens have been killed, its institutions have been weakened. On the one hand you are killing our people with drones, on the other through terrorism and the rest through poverty. You have installed a corrupt puppet regime in Pakistan that been both incompetent and corrupt, that has mismanaged the economy, looted the national wealth and increased poverty and inflation. The IMF has given them billions in loans which they knew would be looted and in return Pakistan has compromised its soverignity, so the US does not need to attack Pakistan and can just destroy in economically.
Your claims that having CIA terrorists within TTP allows CIA to get information about future attacks would seem true only if terrorism was significantly reduced or eliminated, however terrorism has only increased so your claim does not seem to be true. So CIA agents aren’t stopping future attacks they are making them more likely.
You also claim that drones strikes become effective due to CIA having terrorists agents. This would be true if terrorism was reduced but terrorism is only increasing. Out of upto 3,500 killed in drone strikes you have stated only 2 TTP members as having been killed. So CIA drones are not killing TTP terrorists.
Pakistan does have a lot of problems but the nation is resilient and capable of dealing with its own issues and addressing them. If the US cannot help Pakistan then at least it should not try to create further problems for Pakistan.
I have no doubt that as soon asthe US leaves Afghanista,n then terrorism in Pakistan would also disappear as the centre of gravity of terrorism would disappear. If any other nation had been through what Pakistan has been through as a result of fighting the US’s wars twice then they would have been destroyed by now. Pakistan is also close to destruction not through some external threat by internally through US sponsored terrorism and through US supported corrupt regime in power.
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No we are NOT!!! getting there slowly. Infact we are poles apart. Your reading comprehension needs improvement if you think I have shifted a single iota in your viewpoint. TTP is not supported by CIA. I have never said that anywhere. CIA could have agents within TTP which rely their locations to Drones who wipe them out like their leader Meshud.
TTP is still active. Drones have heavily degraded the TTP but it still needs ground troops to wipe them out totally which the Pakistani Army will never do.
CIA agents inside TTP to spy on their terrorist activities just like ISI has agents in these terror groups. CIA agents answer to the CIA director who answers to the President. So unlike the ISI, there is a deliberate chain of command. Don’t confuse the ISI with the CIA.
Prove it to me that CIA agents have exploded bombs, indulged in terrorism in Pakistan. And how exactly is it soverign territory when the Pakistani Army can’t even venture there?
When they captured Raymond Davis, what evidence did they extract in which they could implicate CIA for terrorist activities in Pakistan? Please care to post the evidence caught from Raymond Davis?
We can all go down the path of history, but that is not what is up for debate. What we are debating if TTP is being supported by CIA. And the answer is NO!
And yes, terrorism from TTP has been greatly reduced. Before there were bombings occuring every other day, now its once a week but its being done by the Punjab based terrorists such as LET and LEJ, such as the Quetta bombings being done by LEJ.
US is helping Pakistan by droning the terrorits hiding in the FATA which the Pakistani Army believes it can regain control of and then unleash them in Kashmir and Afghanistan to continue their jihad policy.
These groups have mutated so that even if US and NATO withdraw from Afghanistan they will continue their war with Pakistani state until they establish a draconian sharia law like they had in Afghanistan in the 1990’s. Pakistan will try its best to funnel them into unleashing their jihad dreams in Kashmir and Afghanistan but I doubt India will sit idly by as these Jihadists pour in.
But overall, you have failed totally to prove with any evidence what so ever that TTP is being backed by CIA. All you did was give a long history lecture on how Pakistan did this and America did that, post news from “rupee news” , a stupid blog about how they found tattoos on TTP and uncircumcized penis as the grand evidence of CIA involvement in TTP.
Is it any wonder why this theory is so stupid that no Pakistani not even Imran Khan as propagated this theory because they would get laughed off the stage.