Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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What is unreasonable about my statements? Just to give you one example didn't Libya at one stage support the IRA? Didn't a foreign agency support a terrorist organisation for some time for their own motives and had links with them for a lot longer ?

Am I a conspiracy nut for telling you the above as well which you will not believe.

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What proof is there that TTP is being backed by foreign agencies?

Is there a paper trail linking TTP with Foreign agencies ie. RAW, Mossad, CIA?
Has there been intercepted communication between TTP and Foreign Agencies?
Has any captured TTP Terrorist confessed to being funded by Foreign Agencies?
Has any evidence found on dead TTP that links them to Foreign Agencies?

Please explain on how you think this link is so apparent?

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Paper trails are always found in all scandals around the around the globe, true or false?

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What do you say about the deal which was sealed with them in Swat, and then they started expanding in neighboring Buner? The consensus of people was behind the government for that operation and ones after that. The way TTP accept each terror strike, similarly they can refute it too if they want to.

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They have accepted each and every terror strike. And when ever they are in trouble I see their apologists on TV trying to create confusion. The taleban are striving for a mission and they have never shied away from it. They want Islamic "shariah" in the country as per their understanding.

As far as their killings are concerned, I believe they are under stated. As they have carried out attacks in cities in crowded areas. For example the attack on moon market Lahore was carried out on one side, when people ran towards the other side another bomb was detonated. Many people were killed in their shops. Government announced that around 100 people were killed, but my close relative who had a clinic there believes around 300 people were killed there as the market is jam packed in the night.

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Peace agreement was signed in Swat and they expanded to Buner as a result. For peace TTP will have to change their tactics and any desires of running over the country.

Buner Pakistan: Taliban Militants Move To Expand Control Outside Swat Valley

ISLAMABAD — Taliban militants have extended their grip in northwestern Pakistan, pushing out from a valley where the government has agreed to impose Islamic law and patrolling villages as close as 60 miles from the capital. Police and officials appear to have fled as armed militants also broadcast radio sermons and spread fear in Buner district, just 60 miles from Islamabad, officials and witnesses said Wednesday.

Pakistan’s president signed off on the peace pact last week in hopes of calming Swat, where some two years of clashes between the Taliban and security forces have killed hundreds and displaced up to a third of the one-time tourist haven’s 1.5 million residents.

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The Taliban Tightens Hold In Pakistan’s Swat Region

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, May 4 – Taliban forces tightened their grip on Pakistan’s Swat region Monday and continued resisting the military’s efforts to dislodge them from neighboring Buner, bringing a fragile peace accord closer to collapse and the volatile northwest region nearer to full-fledged conflict.

**Yet even as the Taliban continued its rampage and rejected the government’s latest concession to its demands – the appointment of Islamic-law judges in Swat – Pakistan’s military leaders clung to hopes for a nonviolent solution, saying that security forces were “still exercising restraint to honor the peace agreement.”
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Behind this strained hope for a peaceful solution lie an array of factors – competing military priorities, reluctance to fight fellow Muslims, lack of strong executive leadership and some internal sympathy for the insurgents – that analysts say have long prevented the Pakistani army from making a full-fledged assault on violent Islamist groups.

Over the past two days, extremists in the northwest have attacked a military convoy, beheaded two soldiers, imposed a curfew and blown up a boys’ high school and a police station. Troop reinforcements were sent into Buner on Monday after heavy fighting, and there were reports that the army would imminently launch an attack on Swat, an action that could coincide with a crucial aid-seeking visit to Washington this week by President Asif Ali Zardari, whose government has been criticized by U.S. officials for capitulating to the insurgents.

In the past five years, the army has made periodic moves against various militant strongholds but has frequently pulled back, often amid public anger over bombing raids. Insurgent leaders hold news conferences and spew religious hatred on FM radio stations with no interference.

Even now, despite a blitz of military operations during the past week and a raft of official statements about defending the writ of the state, analysts said it is doubtful the army has the stomach for a sustained fight against Taliban forces if the peace accord does collapse.

“The militants have resolve, determination, focus and ideology. On the other side, I don’t see any of those,” said Aftab Khan Sherpao, a former interior minister and a member of Parliament who comes from northwest Pakistan. “The army understands the threat from the militants, but they are more permanently worried about India. They are waiting for civilian leadership and direction, and there isn’t any.”

Over the next several days, Zardari and a delegation of aides will be in Washington, along with leaders from Afghanistan, to seek aid and antidotes to the rapidly growing regional threat from Islamist insurgents. The Obama administration is eager to help Pakistan – with military training, equipment and massive quantities of assistance – but is worried that Zardari’s government is not taking the problem seriously enough.

**Analysts said that in the past several weeks, the growing defiance and ambitions of the Taliban – whose forces reached within 60 miles of this capital city when they seized Buner – have frightened the country and begun to shake its leaders out of their complacency.
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“The occupation of Buner did raise alarm bells, and a shift in thinking has started to take place. But I’m not sure it can be sustained,” said Talat Masood, a retired general and defense analyst. “People are still confused about whether this is our war or America’s war, and nobody in the government is getting out and explaining to them why we should fight it. Nobody has the guts to say that cutting off people’s heads is un-Islamic. People don’t seem to realize how dangerous Talibanization is for Pakistan. It would destroy us.”

Despite the Taliban’s record of rapaciousness, it is hard for the Pakistani military establishment, trained to view Hindu-dominated India as its mortal enemy and inculcated with an Islamist mind-set during the military dictatorship of the 1980s, to accept Muslim insurgents as adversaries. Soldiers home on leave have been taunted for fighting their own people; desertions are rising.

The military leadership, headed by Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, the army chief, has another list of concerns: how to rebuild its reputation after a period of unpopularity under Gen. Pervez Musharraf; how to contain extremist fighters without leaving the Indian border under protected; and how to handle the fallout from civilian casualties and massive human flight from conflict zones.

There is no doubt that the army, though lacking expertise in counterinsurgency tactics, is equipped to crush the insurgents. But now that Pakistan is under democratic rule, analysts said, the army has no desire to be seen as making policy and is determined to seek civilian cover for its actions.

“The government is trying its best to give time and space to the other side to allow the reconciliation process to reach its logical conclusion,” Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the military’s spokesman, told a Pakistani news channel. He said that the army’s orders were limited to clearing the Taliban from Buner and that if reconciliation fails, “it will be the decision of the government whether to extend operations to Swat.”

Abbas referred to the Taliban in noticeably respectful terms, even as he complained that it had killed prisoners whose hands had been tied. His language contrasted sharply with the mocking defiance of recent Taliban pronouncements. In the past two days, Taliban spokesmen have asserted that democracy is “infidel” and that the fighters will never lay down their weapons.

In Swat, meanwhile, Taliban forces were described Monday as preparing for sustained resistance against any attack, taking positions on rooftops in the district capital, hiding in a labyrinth of tunnels in local emerald mines and occupying homes and offices from which thousands of people have fled.

“It is very clear what they want: to turn Pakistan into an Islamic emirate,” said Sherpao, the former minister. “They have taken the government for a ride while they are preaching on TV, training boys in camps, imposing curfews and spreading fear across the populace. This is our problem, and if we don’t want American troops on our soil, we need to do something about it.”

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This is the most successful propaganda line which has confused Pakistanis in confronting the Taliban/khariji menace head on.

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Have any of the above been established when the ISI is blamed for attacks in India or in Afghanistan?

Is it not true that the CIA has Pakistani agents in Pakistan and they have CIA handlers? It was firmly established in the case of attack in Abbotabad.

Pakistani agencies should come clean and actually tell the truth to the nation and confirm who is actually behind the TTP instead of remaining silent.

If the CIA drones can kill people every few days then why have they not been able to kill TTP people who are eager to claim responsibility and speak to the media in every incident. The TTP don't seem to be worried as they have friends in high places.

Why was the USA keen for PPP to run the country and enabled them to come back to power? We know that the US does not believe in providing free lunches for nothing.

Why has the US spend a lot of effort in cultivating General Kayani from his days well before he became ISI chief. Was he not instrumental in brokering a deal with PPP allowing them to rule Pakistan again.

Also thank you for confirming the names of the 3 agencies involved.

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You didn't answer my question.

Which just proves that there is ZERO evidence linking TTP to Foreign Agencies.

If there was any you would be posting links left right and center.

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CIA and ISI should publish details of their espionage and counter espionage activities on their websites so that I can post links and convince the doubters who won't believe unless it comes directly from the horses mouth.

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when are people going to stop being in denial? Pakistani Taleban is ....Pakistani. They are terrorists and enjoy patronage from Pakistani agencies and authorities. Simple.

They go against Pakistani citizen and even the military. Because neither the citizenry nor the military is homogenous. There are parts that support terrorism and don't care if that means killing other Pakistanis, whether civilian or military.

This patronage is simply the modern day manifestation of the old feudalistic system. Each leader and group form alliances and enmities.

They will throw in facades of religion, ethics, law, morality, economy, patriotism, India, USA, Afghanistan, ....whatever they think will provide them cover.

In 60+ years only this facade and excuse has changed - the same old crap has been happening, only now lot more of it because ammo and nitro have become cheaper

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Stop with the Mental Gymnastics.

Its a pain to read your posts.

You have no proof, no evidence that TTP are being backed by foreign agencies.

And I am suppose to just take your word for it? :rotfl:

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Regardless of who is supporting the TTP, they must be stopped. They are attempting to create a State within the State, which unacceptable.

In FATA, Pakistan needs to arm the tribes -- I'm talking real firepower.

The difference between the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan is stark: TTP targets civilians and it needs to be eliminated.

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If it is a pain to read my posts then don’t.

Give me proof that ISI was behind Mumbai attacks or attacks in Kabul. Not having proof does not stop the US and India make claims about ISI. Give me proof that Taleban leadership is based in Quetta. Give me proof that ISI kept OBL in Abbottabad. Give me proof that ISI is supporting Haqqani group. Give me proof that elements in the military are supporting Taleban.
So why do India and the US keep blaming Pakistan when they have no proof.

You don’t have to take my word for. You are free to agree with me or to disagree.

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I agree that TTP needs to be eliminated.

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what, you haven't been reading newspapers? Whole world has seen enough proof including parts of cell phone records leading to ISI officer but that's not enough for you? May be you should succeed Iftikar Choudhry as CJP and then government of Pakistan will come to your door step and offer proofs on a platter

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Since you know that he was an ISI officer, then can you name the officer in question? Who was the officer talking to? What was the conversation about? How did the newspapers get this information? What was the phone number of the ISI officer?

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The ISI officer in question was called Major Sameer Ali, apparently.
Pakistan intelligence services ‘aided Mumbai terror attacks’ | World news | The Guardian

Now, I don’t consider this report to be terribly reliable. But at least in accusing a foreign intelligence agency, they name a specific agency and a specific individual allegedly from that agency.

The allegation that the TTP is run by foreign agencies lacks a government allegation against a specific agency, as well as the name of an individual from the agency connected to the TTP.

So many TTP people have been caught by the government. Given ISI’s reputation for… enhanced interrogation techniques, if foreign hands were involved, someone would have sung by now.

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You don't need to be a mAd_ScIeNtsT to know that bro.