Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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Peace Ghost14

The US don't have the boundaries of morality that stops them doing anything. You should know this. Also, it is well known Machiavellian tactics to inflate the enemy threat to justify ones own hard line. It is being done everywhere by the Western forces. Just look to history always when information becomes declassified something was always coming back ... But it comes back to individuals and the regime never gets or takes the blame for it. And even if they did ... Who has the guts to take them to justice? If anyone did try they would respond happily because their military thrives ...

If you believe in the Qur'an it talks about such people ... They don't bring peace ... They are the sort of people who in their own homeland say things like this ... "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" ... That is how gun ho ... These people are and they canny see reason .... Guns are bad news ... But they love them their guns ...

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queer there is no doubt that these monkeys feeding by inside and outsider masters and them also having profitable business of kidnaping ransoms looting etc. The day feeder stop they die soon.

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Media is as free as a floater in a bog ... It gets flushed just the same as any old filth ... I will not be forced to be convinced about anything unless I get convinced through normal means ... No matter what the media says ... It will happen when I start seeing journalists posting positive stories about the Taliban and I start to see sympathetic news about them ... That will prove to me that there is now a balance of truth coming out ...

I cannot imagine any nation ever having purely negative news about it ... The fact that there is no positive propaganda about the Taliban in play means they have no access to us at all. It means whatever we get is free from criticism and open to manipulation ... With no one to counter it ... That is the problem ... Nazism was painted very differently to the Germans of its time to what we heard about it ...

We are only seeing a half truth ... Why are people letting themselves make complete judgements about a people without hearing them out first? I am for truth and justice ... I am not for the Taliban ... And if what the media says about turns out to be true without doubt then I can say categorically they are not people I can defend ... But my question remains who are they really?

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hey psyah, peace.

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There will come a time when a group of people will leave our ranks. They will recite the Qur’an with fervour and passion but its spirit will not go beyond their throats. They will leave our ranks in the manner of an arrow when it shoots from its bow.
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It is so ridiculous that every Taliban apologist says they are not for Taliban. Bhai Saab they have killed over 40,000 innocent citizens. Their stated policy is that they will not stop at anything less than imposing their mentality on the rest of infidel population. They consider anyone who does not follow their theological preferences as Kafirs who are eligible for killing. This brutal ancient mentality does not need any sympathy...

It's pity that when people should be united against this senseless everyday killing by these monsters.. their apologist try to justify them on one pretext or another. First it was the drones and American.. now you want to hear their version that why they have killed 40,000 innocent people. Shame on Taliban apologist. There can be no justification what-so-ever for taking innocent lives.. and no sympathy of what-so-ever-nature should be accepted from these Taliban apologist.

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Do you still believe that positive propaganda in their favour will come out when they have killed over 40000 people and the numbers are piling up? Each incident is further eroding their support base. In their discriminate killings we don't know how many people they have killed who would have sympathetic views to them. They are not even differentiating between their enemies and friends, military and ordinary people (health professionals and educationists).

Maybe you would need proof for their involvement but the people living in the country know exactly who is doing that. I have seen the impacts of these idiots very closely, the market close to where I used to live was bombed, a building near where I used to work was bombed. Srilankan team was attacked as I passed through liberty round about. The school in which my daughter was studying was closed due to threat from them that they won't tolerate 'infidel education' (for God's sake what have children got to do with their bloody politics?). Search about this, all schools of Punjab were shutdown for 2-3 months due to terror threat.

I don't know what proof we need to establish the fact that this is the after affect of our wrong foreign policy towards Afghanistan. These are the same people whom our army brainwashed to fight in Afghanistan and Kashmir. If they can go and fight there, why can't they do the same in Pakistan to replace the 'infidel system' in the country with shariah.

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^ there is no group like TTP it's all propaganda. There is no Ehsan no any solid proves that punjabi or other group name Taliban exist in Pakistan. Our media are bunch of foolish minds and they showing and telecasting as what west media directed them to do make false stories about precious nobel Islamic fighters. That's what our religious scholars of GS agreed on. Even forget Sawat or lal masjid siege they were all Jews or Christians Indians peoples in make up of pakistanis. They also claiming half of popluation of Pakistan not believing as what we getting from media about TTP( oopps sorry there is no TTP)

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Its strange, this is in the wake of TTP admitting each terror attack (with pride) and giving 'religious' justification for them. We can well imagine what the situation would be if the TTP didnt accept them. The problem is that those who have made up their minds wont accept it even if they come on TV (on talk shows) and accept that they have done them. Though there videos are available on the net.

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Show you evidence that I am not a foreign agent? You are so childish. Agents by definition are secret and are not going to be revealing their identities. However it would be safer for you to assume that I am a foreign spy than to assume that I am not.

The circumstantial evidence is not mine....it is out there for all to see and to analyse if only they have the capacity to do that.

The simple answer is usually the correct one? really? if that is the case and I can see that is will not be hard to fool people like you. Deception is as old as wars, and is an art. There is some truth to your claim that some of the militants are opportunists but that does not mean when interests are shared that they cannot be used.

There is no confusion in my mind. If I am an average Pakistani then I would think that you are a below average Pakistani. TTP either way needs to be dealt with but the world is not as simple as you make it out. You are the one seeking simplicity in life, you mind cannot comprehend the vast possibilities. I accept that most of the individuals involved are muslims so I don't have a problem with them being muslims either.

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Peace yazdi

Bring me a Taliban member alive and have him confess his mission give him a chance to be reasoned with and withdraw from his stance, determine what he is really about ... And if it turns out he is misled and ready to change then let him change but keep an eye on him for a while and if he does not then sentence him to whatever you feel is necessary ... But I am not going to accept such an ideology exists in the way it is said to exist when it comes filtered through the dominant media.

These are not the word of a Taliban sympathiser ... I am not making excuses for them ... I doubt in the first instance they are getting a fair hearing ... And your words are proving that you are not ready to hear them ... Gosh! what would you do if you found out it was all done and orchestrated by American agents (Not that I believe that to be true)... Would you seek their blood as much as you seek the Taliban's?

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Peace Ali_Syed

I just love this statement ... Bravo! I am not waiting for positive propaganda to come out ... I'm saying my stance is based on the fact that there is no positive propaganda about them coming out ... The dominant media is constipating to get out filth on this phantom ... This 40000 people were killed by all the people involved whoever they were ... You have just echoed the negative propaganda ... Any moment you can slip one in - you do ... How can you say they did it? Did you see them? If you heard it on the news did you check it up, verify it, cross check it. I'm talking about the same media outlets that released videos about bin Laden who looked different in each video ... The same people who took out bin Laden in Abbotabad ... After he had already been killed twice before ... Okay now we have these numbers flying around of the dead ...who is responsible for them? You cannot say for sure so don't pretend you do.

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Huh funny .... Very much you are ...
But reverse psychology ain't gonna help you here buddy ... Back up what you say ... With evidence that there is no such thing as TTP? I'm not saying there is or there is not such a group I'm saying that I don't really know ...get it? I hope you do ...:)

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Just to put things is perspective how many people were killed (innocents) by the US in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria not to mention supporting brutal dictators and their killing sprees. The answer will be in millions.

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You sound like a conspiracy nut. Im not trying to insult you, im trying to help you. You and many others like you are genuinely disconnected from reality. People everywhere think you are delusional. A victim of a psychosis that seems to plague the country as a whole. Average in this case means well below the norm in other countries.

There are many normal people out there who understand that sometimes a dog is a dog and taliban is just a relgious thug.

Call me what you like, but you sound like your certifiably mental. Its called paranoid delusion. Look it up.

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The reason that sound ridiculous is… What is there to not know? To say you dont know is to say you refuse to believe. Its intellectual disconnect.

  1. There is evidence to prove the TTP exist.
    Google
  2. You dont want to believe that evidence, not because it insufficient, but because you simply dont want to.
  3. The reason you dont want to believe it is because you being a religious person yourself, could never fathom another religious person such as yourself, committing crimes such as these in the name of a common faith.

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Or how many people were killed by Pakistan army in bangladesh?

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Yeah, this is really amazing. I mean everything in Pakistan is a conspiracy. There are people in Pakistan who believe that flooding and drought might also be caused BY "agencies." The one word of English that everyone knows regardless of education is "agencies."

They will believe a Pakistani invented a car that runs on water, but the Malala case was a conspiracy to force Pakistan to attack the TTP, which may or may not exist to begin with.

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I seem like a conspiracy nut to you because I am stating that TTP is most likely supported by foreign agencies, and that goes against your views so therefore I become a conspiracy nut. If someone disagrees with you then they are wrong and must be delusional and nutcases as you cannot ever be wrong. You could be right in your assessment of me but it could also be true that I have a greater appreciation of history and how agencies work than you have. If that is the case then it would make you ignorant....and not just ignorant but the worst kind of ignorant...the one that thinks they know everything, when in fact they know very little.

I don't see why it is so hard to imagine the TTP being supported by 1 or 2 foreign agencies for their own motives by some people. They don't need to be experts in history or intelligence agencies or the military to know that is very possible.

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No. because your statements seem unreasonable. When people adopt extreme positions in favor of far simpler ones, they sound like conspiracy nuts.

Why do you believe the Taliban are foreign agents? Why is it so difficult to believe that they are simply criminals who independently, do what they do because they want power? Why these elaborate conspiracies?

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That was a civil war. Pakistan did not invade any country. In fact it was defending against militants backed by India and then an invasion by India.

How can you equate that with the killing of innocents by the USA which is a country that says it is a civilised nation but the reality is that it is a savage nation that is almost constantly at war at one place or another in one form or other.