Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
CIA has agents inside TTP but is not supporting TTP? Do these militants iinside TTP not carry out murders, exploding bombs and killing people? Do they not decide on which targets to attack? Do they not recruit and train other members? Do they not provide logistical support to other members? Do these agents not help to raise funds for TTP?
We are not talking about 1 or 2 agents here were are talking about dozens.
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First of all there is no proof that there are CIA agents inside TTP. Jordanian intelligence planted an agent inside TTP and he turned out to be a double agent which killed 8 CIA and 1 Jordanian Intelligence Officer.
I only assumed there could be because the modus ope***** of every intelligence agency to install agents in their enemy’s midst and to gather intelligence.
Just as ISI could have agents in RAW or RAW could have agents in ISI. Does that mean that every action that ISI does is now RAW controlled or vice versa? Of course not.
An intelligence agency plants agents in enemy’s midst to gather information, learn their methods, and find ways to defeat them.
No one has then made the assumption that because a certain intelligence agency has agents in the enemy’s turf that they are now controlling them.
Pakistanis these days have a habit of assigning God like powers to Americans and CIA to explain away everything.
So to sum up your conspiracy theory:
CIA plants agents or creates TTP who are uncircumcised Indians or Pashtuns who are now being controlled by CIA’s brain control technology. They are using them to conduct terrorist attacks within Pakistan to destabilize the highly stable, functioning, and the most powerful Islamic State with Nuclear Weapons which is a fortress of Islam and the Vanguard of Islamic Causes and the biggest threat facing America and the Jews, Zionists and India, which is Pakistan.
Their aim is to use brain wave technology to use the TTP to conduct terrorist attacks in Pakistan so that Pakistan will de-stabilize and they can send in American, Indian and Israeli commandos to seize Pakistani nuclear weapons.
The entire 9/11, and OBL was all drama staged so that US can have an excuse to invade Afghanistan and then attack its principle enemy Pakistan as the world revolves around Pakistan. And then USA stages this raid on OBL’s compound as a fake operation so that they can test the response time of the Pakistani Military so that in the future they can steal Pakistani Nuclear Weapons.
In essence, Pakistan is the greatest country in the history of the world and all the problems that are in Pakistan are foreign related.
A bad traffic jam, must be the Americans, Israel or India. A bad weather day, must be the Americans, Israel or India.
And if people ask for proof. What proof. We will use the same level of proof that we use to accuse of Blasphemy. Which is hear say, rumor. If someone says something, it must be true. We don’t need physical evidence. Pakistan is a nation of saints and everyone tells the truth and thus proof is not necessary when making an accusation.
All it matters is that the person is non-muslim and every allegation will work against him or her.
Boy, that was fun to write. 
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The terrorist was Jordanian but he worked for the CIA. Jordan had denied any involvement of its agency or any knowledge. Even if Jordan was involved the base was a CIA base, and Jordan would have only been helping CIA.
His CIA handler had arranged a birthday party for the agent, which allowed him access to not just his CIA handler but other CIA handlers as well.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
The terrorist was Jordanian but he worked for the CIA. Jordan had denied any involvement of its agency or any knowledge. Even if Jordan was involved the base was a CIA base, and Jordan would have only been helping CIA.
His CIA handler had arranged a birthday party for the agent, which allowed him access to not just his CIA handler but other CIA handlers as well.
Jordan has denied any involvement because of the sensitive nature of the whole thing. They can't be seen working with USA to hunt down and kill an Arab Hero, Osama Bin Laden especially after the Arab Spring.
But I am confused.
Why are you calling him a terrorist? He killed 8 CIA Agents.
Shouldn't be a hero in your eyes?
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Jordan has denied any involvement because of the sensitive nature of the whole thing. They can't be seen working with USA to hunt down and kill an Arab Hero, Osama Bin Laden especially after the Arab Spring.
But I am confused.
Why are you calling him a terrorist? He killed 8 CIA Agents.
Shouldn't be a hero in your eyes?
Yes you are confused. There was no Arab Spring at the time of the incident. We are talking about 2009 here.
Whether Jordan was involved or not is irrelevant as he was assigned a CIA handler and was working for the CIA.
I do not wish to see CIA handlers killed. A lot of them are decent hard working and patriotic people who find themselves trapped in Zionists wars that are destroying America. I don't support terrorism whether it is US sponsored or OBL sponsored actually OBL himself was sponsored by CIA at one time.
Also what about CIA using Save The Children in Pakistan to recruit local agents?
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Yes you are confused. There was no Arab Spring at the time of the incident. We are talking about 2009 here.
Whether Jordan was involved or not is irrelevant as he was assigned a CIA handler and was working for the CIA.
I do not wish to see CIA handlers killed. A lot of them are decent hard working and patriotic people who find themselves trapped in Zionists wars that are destroying America. I don't support terrorism whether it is US sponsored or OBL sponsored actually OBL himself was sponsored by CIA at one time.
Also what about CIA using Save The Children in Pakistan to recruit local agents?
Jordanian Intelligence was working in conjunction with CIA to find Bin Laden. It was Jordanian Intelligence who brought him to the attention of the CIA as an agent who was infiltrated the highest echelons of Al Qaeda and Taliban. Jordan's role was kept in the dark and especially when the Arab Spring began, Jordan could not been seen as a US lackey and thus this story was further suppressed.
OBL was among the thousands of jihadists who travelled to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. If today, USA starts arming the Syrian Rebels to fight Assad and one of those fighters in the future attacks USA, then you will say that USA sponsored that fighter.
Thats ridiculous. USA only sponsored the opposing force to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. And besides, it was Pakistan who created the Taliban in the 1990's to take over Afghanistan which allowed Bin Laden and Company to set up shop there to attack the rest of the world in their global terrorist network.
Many intelligence agencies use covers to find their targets. CIA using Save the Children is no different.
But I am not going to let you off the hook that easily.
I am still waiting on the proof that "Foreigners" are behind the TTP. :D
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It does not matter where he came from and who recruited him, be it either Israel or Jordan the point is he was working for the CIA at the time.
You accepted that CIA is involved in TTP , you also now accepted that CIA has used the cover of aid agencies to recruit spies in Pakistan. This also means that you accept that there are CIA handlers in Pakistan, and CIA agents. Yet instead of reducing terrorism they are only increasing problems for Pakistan. They are undermining the State of Pakistan.
Next minute you are going to backtrack again and claim that no they don't use aid agencies to recruit spies.
If Taleban had accepted the US demand then the US would not have had any problems with the Taleban, it only becomes evil when it does not listen to the US.
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Wrong Again as usual.
It was Jordanian Intelligence who placed him inside the Taliban and Al Qaeda. And then the Jordanian Intelligence alerted CIA telling them of this operation.
As for CIA involvement in TTP. I only assumed that CIA would have agents in their enemy’s camp just as I assume Israel would have agents in Hezbollah or Hamas or Pakistan would have agents in Inida, etc. And the fact that the drones have been so devastatingly effective in wiping out these animals. 
How you go from this assumption to this grand assumption that if CIA has agents inside TTP that means that CIA runs the TTP is mind numblingy absurd.
Yes, there are CIA agents in Pakistan. Almost every country in the world has a CIA station chief with a small cohort of CIA analysts that gather data. There is nothing new or shocking about that. Its like saying the Sky is Blue, the Grass is Green, etc. 
As for terrorism, it has decreased. Here is the list of Suicide bombings in Pakistan.
Fidayeen (Suicide Squad) Attacks in Pakistan
2012 - 39 Suicide Bombings
2011 - 41 Suicide Bombings
2010 - 49 Suicide Bombings
2009 - 76 Suicide Bombings
2008 - 59 Suicide Bombings
2007 - 54 Suicide Bombings
2006 - 7 Suicide Bombings
Here is the number of Drone Strikes:
2012 - 48 Drone Strikes
2011 - 72 Drone Strikes
2010 - 122 Drone Strikes
2009 - 54 Drone Strikes
2008 - 36 Drone Strikes
2007 - 4 Drone Strikes
As you can clearly see, from the Dark Days of 2009, the number of suicide bombings has clearly decreased. Which is attributed to the effective drone strikes which has devastated the TTP and reduced their ability to carry out these murderous attacks.
As the rule of economics, go, Price goes up and Demand goes down. In this case, Drone Strikes went up, Terrorism in Pakistan went down.
God Bless Drone Strikes for saving thousands of Pakistani lives by killing these TTP, Al Qaeda and other Taliban scum.
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This thread in not about drone strikes or ISI. You can open a new thread for that if you want. This is about US support for TTP. Which you have admitted to. You have also admitted that CIA has handlers in Pakistan that are active in recruiting agents by any means they can, including using the cover of aid agencies and charities, These people have only loyalty to the dollar and not to Pakistan.
Since you have brought the subject up, not all terrorism is suicide bombings.
Regarding drone strikes they went down as a result of the Raymond Davis affair and Salala border post attack, and the attack on Abbottabad.
For the last few months the drones have been in full swing and terrorism has further increased.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
This thread in not about drone strikes or ISI. You can open a new thread for that if you want. This is about US support for TTP. Which you have admitted to. You have also admitted that CIA has handlers in Pakistan that are active in recruiting agents by any means they can, including using the cover of aid agencies and charities, These people have only loyalty to the dollar and not to Pakistan.
Since you have brought the subject up, not all terrorism is suicide bombings.
Regarding drone strikes they went down as a result of the Raymond Davis affair and Salala border post attack, and the attack on Abbottabad.
For the last few months the drones have been in full swing and terrorism has further increased.
Just because there are CIA agents in Pakistan does not mean they are engaged in Terrorist activities in Pakistan.
I have asked for proof that CIA is supporting the TTP and committing Terrorist attacks in Pakistan and you failed utterly to provide even an iota of evidence to support this.
You claimed that Terrorism has increased, and I made the claim that the Drones have devastated the TTP and has reduced their terrorist activity.
I posted the numbers of the suicide bombings and drone strikes to make my case by facts and figures and not fiction and conspiracy mumbo jumbo like you do.
I ask again.
Give me proof of CIA supporting TTP.
Give me proof of CIA actively engaged in terrorist activities in Pakistan.
Just because there are CIA agents in Pakistan is not proof that they are supporting the TTP or engaged in terrorist activities in Pakistan.
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Or they are killed by the Taliban for having an opinion, thus ensuring no one else will ever challenge them.
Suicide bomber kills anti-Taliban cleric Allama Naeemi | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia | DAWN.COM
However, some have spoken out, including those that did so against the attack in Malala Yusufzai.
Fifty Muslim scholars issue fatwa against Taliban | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
Just because there are CIA agents in Pakistan does not mean they are engaged in Terrorist activities in Pakistan.
No kidding.
Raymond Davis was a Lollywood producer wasnt he.
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No kidding.
Raymond Davis was a Lollywood producer wasnt he.
How do you know he was there to commit acts of terrorism? Perhaps he was there to do what all spies do, Spy!
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How do you know he was there to commit acts of terrorism? Perhaps he was there to do what all spies do, Spy!
He killed two of my countrymen. In my eyes, thats a terrorist act.
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Raymond Davis kills two Pakistanis.
Shakil Afridi who was recruited by CIA assists the CIA in a covert operation inside Pakistan.
CIA supports TTP that kills Pakistanis.
Drones kill opponents of TTP and kill innocents and indulges in extra judicial killings.
DEVGRU carries out an operation inside Pakistan by violating the sovereignty of Pakistan and killing people inside Pakistan.
US forces attack Salala and kill Pakistani soldiers.
US installs Zardari in power and kill countless people through poverty.
If Pakistan was to do any of these things in the US then your attitude would be very different.
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He killed two of my countrymen. In my eyes, thats a terrorist act.
That doesnt mean he came for that purpose. He was caught up in such circumstances in which he over reacted and shot two people. But that doesnt mean he came to commit an act of terror.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
Raymond Davis kills two Pakistanis.
Shakil Afridi who was recruited by CIA assists the CIA in a covert operation.
CIA supports TTP that kills Pakistanis.
Drones kill opponents of TTP and kill innocents and indulge in extra judicial killings.
DEVGRU carries out an operation inside Pakistan by violating the sovereignty of Pakistan.
US forces attack Salala and kill Pakistani soldiers.
US installs Zardari in power and kill countless people through poverty.
More paranoid delusions Arshad?
Here's another.
Arshad loses his toothbrush. CIA hiding under the sink.
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More paranoid delusions Arshad?
Here's another.
Arshad loses his toothbrush. CIA hiding under the sink.
If you have to be so childish and immature then please find another thread. I don't have time to be wasting on people like you. This is a serious discussion. If you cannot make any logical argument then it is best to remain quiet.
Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies
If you have to be so childish and immature then please find another thread. I don't have time to be wasting on people like you. This is a serious discussion. If you cannot make any logical argument then it is best to remain quiet.
Well if we are going to make absurd claims without any evidence, then why is that one any less credible then all the rest you have been spouting without a shred of evidence?
Your claim that the CIA is behind everything is only slightly less ridiculous then the CIA stole your tooth brush. Admit it.
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Well if we are going to make absurd claims without any evidence, then why is that one any less credible then all the rest you have been spouting without a shred of evidence?
Your claim that the CIA is behind everything is only slightly less ridiculous then the CIA stole your tooth brush. Admit it.
For your information, my toothbrush has not been stolen. Even if it had been I would not blame it on CIA. I am sure that CIA has better things to do than to steal my toothbrush.
As far as CIA being behind TTP is concerned, this has been accepted by Mercenary.
Since it seems that you have not been reading the discussion or have problem comprehending what you read, I suggest that you look up Camp Chapman attack first and then post your comments and we can continue with this discussion.