Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
strangely no loadshedding since morning...how come PEPCO has got surplus electricity all of a sudden .
With approx 12 hour load shedding.. Wapda has approx 185 billion rupees deficit. Without load shedding this deficit will balloon up to 400 billlion rupees. The problem is not the capacity, the problem is where the government is going to find this 400 billion rupees per annum to finance this deficit. People don't want to pay tax or pay Rs.18/ per unit instead of Rs.8/ per unit which is the real cost of generating and distributing this additional electricity to end load shedding...
We are in the habit of blaming the government for everything without understanding the real issue..!!!!
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
With approx 12 hour load shedding.. Wapda has approx 185 billion rupees deficit. Without load shedding this deficit will balloon up to 400 billlion rupees. The problem is not the capacity, the problem is where the government is going to find this 400 billion rupees per annum to finance this deficit. People don't want to pay tax or pay Rs.18/ per unit instead of Rs.8/ per unit which is the real cost of generating and distributing this additional electricity to end load shedding...
We are in the habit of blaming the government for everything without understanding the real issue..!!!!
Just see the price of electricity too dont blame all on the unpaid tax......The price of electricity rises every month but there is still no electricity
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
With approx 12 hour load shedding.. Wapda has approx 185 billion rupees deficit. Without load shedding this deficit will balloon up to 400 billlion rupees. The problem is not the capacity, the problem is where the government is going to find this 400 billion rupees per annum to finance this deficit. People don't want to pay tax or pay Rs.18/ per unit instead of Rs.8/ per unit which is the real cost of generating and distributing this additional electricity to end load shedding...
We are in the habit of blaming the government for everything without understanding the real issue..!!!!
Yes i agree, the deficit is huge and it will get bigger, thanks to the market conditions the oil price is below 80, but the moment it increase so will our deficit, knowing the habit of the people and more importantly the oil trend and purchasing power, Govt should have moved to hydel energy projects and could have saved the day.
Now these Hydel project won't cost much, generally cost per MW is around USD 1.1 bn and there are many investors which will happily invest in these projects because not only they get money from generations but from the carbon credits as well... but very little was done in that regard...
I would say that the time govt spend in Keeping Her Alliance in tact, had it been spend on these kind of projects, there was little chance that the these small parties like MQM etc could have threat to govt....
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
Just see the price of electricity too dont blame all on the unpaid tax......The price of electricity rises every month but there is still no electricity
They are buying electricity from IPPs for Rs. 15 per unit. The cost of distribution plus line losses is Rs 3 per unit. They are billing you at an average price of Rs 8 per unit. This has created a huge deficit for Wapda which is being paid by the government. It's not the government who is responsible for oil prices to be consistently higher than US$ 100/ per barrel in the International market..
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
Agreed, but how have we come to this situation? When Benazir Bhutto started putting up IPP's didnt she think of the consequences if the oil prices go up, and did any government try to push for hydel projects (i am talking about small projects not mega projects like kala bagh dam as that has become very controversial).
How come its only Pakistan amongst the comity of nations where the crisis is becoming more and more severe. In 1980's there were a few African countries where they used to see electrity for a few hours in a day, and that was strange for us but now we have see it ourselves in our lifetime.
The situation is that because of terrorism and electricity crisis the factories are moving to Bangladesh, how come BD has improved during the past 40 years where as we have gone down?
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
Yes i agree, the deficit is huge and it will get bigger, thanks to the market conditions the oil price is below 80, but the moment it increase so will our deficit, knowing the habit of the people and more importantly the oil trend and purchasing power, Govt should have moved to hydel energy projects and could have saved the day.
Now these Hydel project won't cost much, generally cost per MW is around USD 1.1 bn and there are many investors which will happily invest in these projects because not only they get money from generations but from the carbon credits as well... but very little was done in that regard...
I would say that the time govt spend in Keeping Her Alliance in tact, had it been spend on these kind of projects, there was little chance that the these small parties like MQM etc could have threat to govt....
ALAS..if only we had the collective wisdom to construct dams instead of complaining now..!!!
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
They are buying electricity from IPPs for Rs. 15 per unit. The cost of distribution plus line losses is Rs 3 per unit. They are billing you at an average price of Rs 8 per unit. This has created a huge deficit for Wapda which is being paid by the government. It's not the government who is responsible for oil prices to be consistently higher than US$ 100/ per barrel in the International market..
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
What are we paying per unit?
The average billing price for Wapda is Rs 8/ per unit. As an individual consumer in the higher slab you may be paying a bit more.. but I am talking as a nation what we are paying to Wapda..
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
strangely no loadshedding since morning...how come PEPCO has got surplus electricity all of a sudden .
Finally after Everyone put fire on Lesco office here at my side in Lahore.......Electricity is bit stable now else they would cut it off for 4 hours consective after 1 hour
The production has been restored to calm down people, they will forget in few days then load-shedding will resume.
With approx 12 hour load shedding.. Wapda has approx 185 billion rupees deficit. Without load shedding this deficit will balloon up to 400 billlion rupees. The problem is not the capacity, the problem is where the government is going to find this 400 billion rupees per annum to finance this deficit. People don't want to pay tax or pay Rs.18/ per unit instead of Rs.8/ per unit which is the real cost of generating and distributing this additional electricity to end load shedding...
We are in the habit of blaming the government for everything without understanding the real issue..!!!!
The government needs to improve the infrastructure which is losing power in distribution, government needs to put an end to electricity theft which will greatly reduce the deficit but for all that to happen government needs to eliminate thieves amongst itself first .... and if they do that there won't be a government :D
They are buying electricity from IPPs for Rs. 15 per unit. The cost of distribution plus line losses is Rs 3 per unit. They are billing you at an average price of Rs 8 per unit. This has created a huge deficit for Wapda which is being paid by the government. It's not the government who is responsible for oil prices to be consistently higher than US$ 100/ per barrel in the International market..
bhai sahib, oil price has been lower than $100 for many weeks already.
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
It seems your views are being shared by more and more people in Punjab.. who are facing discriminatory treatment as far as gas and power is concerned..
Punjab also paying for Karachi ‘kundas’: Aitzaz
LAHORE: People’s Party leader, Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan has said that the Punjab government’s case against load shedding was truthful and the federal government’s accusation of malafide was not appropriate.
Talking to media at Lahore High Court, Aitzaz Ahsan said that the menace of power theft was more rampant in other provinces than the Punjab. “It is Punjab, which has also to pay for the ‘Kundas’ in Karachi.
Expressing his disappointments on the All Parties Conference (APC), Chaudhry Aitzaz said that neither the APC resolution seem to be doable nor the drones could be struck down by resolutions.
He said that Taliban want to get their terms accepted, but neither Pakistan was of Taliban or Al Qaeda nor their system would work.
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
bhai sahib, oil price has been lower than $100 for many weeks already.
True that, but that is not how it works, there are future trade kind of thing where the oil is bought at the price of today but would be delivered in 2 months time, that is called advance booking in lay-man ( my terms). So till the oil flows in at price of less the $ 80 there are losses...
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
It is more like political crisis than load shading. Load shading is not new to Pakistan. It has been there for many years. However NS is bent on sending Zardari home. He needs excuse, and that is the one. As regard planning work, I think WAPDA, KESC and other power producing companies are run by corrupt and incompetant people. Ministers are more or less with no brains. Most of the Pakis are stealer of bijlli. Government can not not control theft if majority of public, particularly industries steal electricity. As for NS how much he is paying for electricity he is utilizing in his factories, hospital and his palace in Raiwind?
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
I wonder if population of Karachi has exceeded population of Punjab recently.
I know that, and gas prices at pumps have been going down internationally, at max it takes a 4-7 days for crude oil prices to reflect on retail pump prices. Honestly even if the prices were to stay at $80 for 6 months our government will not be able to solve the electricity crisis.
Sure, everything is political crisis, everyone in the country is out to get PPP/Zardari regardless of how efficient they are, regardless of how many power projects PPP started, right? Lets start counting how many power projects were started by PPP in current government? Lets talk about the tax chori by our government elite? Who is responsible to curb power theft? Oh wait, that would mean another political crisis.
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
I know that, and gas prices at pumps have been going down internationally, at max it takes a 4-7 days for crude oil prices to reflect on retail pump prices. Honestly even if the prices were to stay at $80 for 6 months our government will not be able to solve the electricity crisis.
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Having said that, so far i am unable to break the mystery of increasing the prices for gas for industrial, household and CNG...
There is lot which could have been done, we have gas, which could have been used as alternate fuel, we had coal for which our scientists are begging govt but nothing is happening all govt says is that oil prices in the international market has gone up, we are not alone who are suffering from the increased oil prices but seems like our govt have no clue how to solve anything, all they are doing is increasing the cost of manufacturing and living...
Re: Pakistani public on streets - protests against loadshedding
From all the discussion that I heard or read online , there is no quick fix to this problem . We needed some long term planning that we never did . I think situation will stay the same for next couple of years , even if we start working on it right now .
May be a good lesson for poor people to not to elect such incompetent people again .