Pakistani Police And Authorities, Wiping Kalima from Ahmadiyya Mosque

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Right. That's likely to have a fair and just result. In the Pakistani Court. Get real.

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U jumped Main question " U r trying to fill in gap b/w 1-73 sect " & "This is wrong & a lie " .. U never said it .. its my assumption 4m ur post ..

Every Ahmadi is a Muslims first then Ahmadi
hhaha .. mean in the end u want to b a Ahmadi … hahah

So what are the commands of Mr Ahmadi ..???

& What are ur beliefs ..??

Let me know

As u called him khalifa mean like president … Then should all of us make different versions of islam based on our current ruler/president ?

We have a Khalifa and we all (Ahmadis) follow his command at once
Come on man … he is dead now … get a life …

& if u r true muslim … Why would Gov of Pakistan banned u … ???

& Christian (UK) gave u a shelter …

just basic & logical questions …

if i bring ref. from ur officail website “Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad” it will be hard 4 u to be in a conversation

Robert ] Im just having a logical conversation with him … I didn’t tie his hand & froce him to agree with me … Hope u wont have any problem now …

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Either accept the law & live within it... or work through the legal system to abrogate it or create public pressure to amend the law (Btw: public pressure was the very reason why such a law was promulgated in the first place)

what other options do you have - Revolting against the state ?

Hamare sanwle rung ka sabab bhi tum ho JanaN
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Re: Pakistani Police And Authorities, Wiping Kalima from Ahmadiyya Mosque

^^ u can change the law but u cant change Islam or try to do so.. if you even try for it you will feel the heat then.

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Expelled by whom? YOU and people like YOU... And WHO are you to define the religous beliefs of others as being mainstream or out of it. Infact even the scholors have no authority.

You say they expelled, they can just as easily say the same of you. The only difference is they are in the minority and YOU are not. But then since when does might equal right?!?!

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Yeah, but who defines the laws of Islam? You assume that such laws are written in stone when they arent. Islam is open to interpretation... Thats why there are so many schools of thought. There different degree of variance but at the end of the day, you have no right to claim any ownership of Islam, and you cannot tell others their beliefs are wrong...

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Just because the Pak govt says something doesnt make it right. And if the credibility of the Pak govt were so apparent, that you would actually cite the govt decision to back your side, then why is Pakistan the mess it is today?!?!

I can tell you why the Pak govt banned them. Its because the Pak govt has consistantly bowed down before religous extremists. The Bhutto govt used the Ahmdis to gain poltical point as did Zia. You think the half drunk politicians of Paksitan really care what Ahmadis believe? Ofcourse not, it was all politics. It was easier to oppress Ahmdis because they are such a small minority for one thng, it meant getting political points from the conservatives, and it meant that perhaps the religous extremists would lay off for a while.
It was all about political expediency and cowardly appeasment.

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Yeah, but unfortunatley, no one in Pak in their right mind would ammend or remove these laws as it would mean the ire of Millions of extremists and even liberals. The sad truth is that even many so called liberals agree with these laws. So unless the Ahmadis can muster up voting power or street cred, they will be shooting blanks.

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Horrible analogy. Islam is not a degree. Its a religion. It was started nearly 2000 years ago. They original author is not here, unless you believe you can channel god himself. Hence the faith is open to interpretation.

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do you know who are Jihadis? Jihad is not only by killing its also in any form in which a MUSLIM try to protect his / her religion.

So I am one of them and those who expelled were one of them.

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I am not telling them their beliefs are wrong but if they try to change Islamic teaching to their own baked religion then thats wrong and it will be wrong.

Islam isnt a thing that you can play with it as you want it to be. You have to follow it as a religion and changes you wan to perform in it isnt allowed anymore after what Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) preached us.

Doodh nahin bakhsoon gi
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first read it I said to give a worldly example as people like you only believe on this live and have nothing to earn for the life after this.

2nd what is interpretation? Islam is only so said a base source you cant alter it neither you can have any of your own assumptions in it. You need any interpretation? then go make your own religion and have your own faith but never think to alter what Islam says.

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its always better to make a use pesticides before any wrong or harmful culture grows.. Applies to you (Ahmedis) too.. Its not you have minority or you want to get a place for your worship its only if you play with Islam you will have to face the consequences. Also we cant judge any person from his private life either Allah will forgive him / her or not.. Allah knows all whom He will forgive and whom not.

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Islam is open to interpretation ??? ... Where is it written in Quran or haidth ?

if u say so ... why don't you become like Mirza Ghulam .. declare urself as Messiah / Mahdi ???

I wont reply to u what u have quoted my post .... bcz u took it to politics ... i dont like politics ...

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You cant start fighting a jihad if you dont even know what your fighting for!

I dont know why its so hard to explain this to you people.

Everyone has there own interpretations. They can just as easily say your are the one on the wrong track and THEY are the ones on the true Jihad...

Zarurat Kya Thi
Zarurat Kya Thi
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Its not, but that doesnt mean it isnt.

THAT is why you have so many schools of thought in Islam, and in all other religions and belief systema snd philosophies.

If the original author is not there to determine the actual interpretation as he intended it, then two people reading the same sentance can quite easily get two completely seperate meanings..

Its Human nature, and its the nature of literature and philosophy of all kinds.

The problem with Islam and all other philosophies and religions is that anyone CAN declare themselves a prophet and cite the same source as evidence.

Now an Ahmadi will say that GOD declared this, and if you cite the Koran then they will say you misinterpreted it.

Now unless you can channel god, or god can come clarify this himself, you cannot assume you are right by declaration. Ahmadis have as much credability in their beliefs as you do in yours so long as the original author of the Koran isnt there to clarify his position. Simple as that,.

You may not like this, and you may even be insulted but thats how it is. When it comes to religion, your credibilty is ass weak or as strong as the next persons.
The only thing that seperates your beliefs from that of Ahmadis is the fact that Sunnis are in the Majority and they are in the minority. And as far as most Pakistanis are concerned, might makes right and so they are the ones in the right.

And the issue of Ahmadis in Pakistan is also a legal and politcal issue.
If you want to discuss relgious issues you can go to the religion forum. This is Pakistan affairs, and as such, has more to do with politics, and not relgion.

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Re: Pakistani Police And Authorities, Wiping Kalima from Ahmadiyya Mosque

^^ They can try for it but they can never claim it because they are wrong. They cant prove it according to Quranic teachings that what that believe is right.

Thats why there are different Munaizra and they always have to face the reality and have to go away with sorry face.

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Make whatever assumptions about me you want.

But the bottom line is this as far as pestacides, there are many who would say the same about Muslims in general.. There are many in the Non Muslim world who feel Muslims should be exterminated through your "pestacides."

Its pathetic that you would use the same terms to dengrate the beliefs of others.

The issue isnt who "plays" with Islam. The issue is, DO YOU have a right to define who is or isnt "playing" with Islam?

And your last statement is so foolsih.

Here you say only Allah can judge, and yet imn the sentance right above it, you sit in judgment of the believfs of Ahamdis.

You yourself admit that only Allah can judge, and yet here you are doing the judgingothers. Try to think for a mommnet on what your doing.

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Muslims cant prove ISLAM is right to Chrisitian, because our entire case is based on whether God actually spoke to the prophet... Now we cant prove that to Christian useing the Bible.
In the same way, the Ahmdis say that God himself declared their faith to be true. Now you cant prove god didnt speak to them...
And so if you say they cant prove anythign according to the Koran, they will say you had misunderstood the Koran to begin with because god said so...

Basically its a mtter of proving what cant be proven.

So you might aswell get used to it. You have as much credibility in assuming your version of Islam is right as they do in assuming theirs is.

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See when ever there is a "but" ... there is a doubt .. in other words "shak" ... which lead to shirk .. and i think u know Shirk is huge Sin ...

One more thing arabs are very careful even parsing Muhammad (PBUH) .. No naats .. this is wat i observe

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THAT is why you have so many schools of thought in Islam, and in all other religions and belief systema snd philosophies.

If the original author is not there to determine the actual interpretation as he intended it, then two people reading the same sentance can quite easily get two completely seperate meanings..

Its Human nature, and its the nature of literature and philosophy of all kinds.

The problem with Islam and all other philosophies and religions is that anyone CAN declare themselves a prophet and cite the same source as evidence.

Now an Ahmadi will say that GOD declared this, and if you cite the Koran then they will say you misinterpreted it.

Now unless you can channel god, or god can come clarify this himself, you cannot assume you are right by declaration. Ahmadis have as much credability in their beliefs as you do in yours so long as the original author of the Koran isnt there to clarify his position. Simple as that,.

You may not like this, and you may even be insulted but thats how it is. When it comes to religion, your credibilty is ass weak or as strong as the next persons.
The only thing that seperates your beliefs from that of Ahmadis is the fact that Sunnis are in the Majority and they are in the minority. And as far as most Pakistanis are concerned, might makes right and so they are the ones in the right.

And the issue of Ahmadis in Pakistan is also a legal and politcal issue.
If you want to discuss relgious issues you can go to the religion forum. This is Pakistan affairs, and as such, has more to do with politics, and not relgion.
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true .. its human nature to interpret things differently...

4 me its a Religious Issue .. bcz u r dividing Islam Not pakistan ... okay ...

One Question to you ... Why u want to b Ahmadi Muslim ? ... Wats so Special in being Ahmadi Muslim ???

& Mr ahmadi Called himself a Messiah .. which is Christianity term ... So please don't Play with Islam ...

& What is khatam-e-Nabuwat ?

If mr ahmadi was so important 4 Islam ... then its a common sense that Allah would have mention him ...

PS : Spell the Quran right not koran first i thought u said korean