first read it I said to give a worldly example as people like you only believe on this live and have nothing to earn for the life after this.
2nd what is interpretation? Islam is only so said a base source you cant alter it neither you can have any of your own assumptions in it. You need any interpretation? then go make your own religion and have your own faith but never think to alter what Islam says.
I did, but that analogy doesnt work here...
Interpretation doesnt mean you change the words. Interpretation means you look at a sentance or a passage and you derive different meaning from it. How you derive the meaning depends on who you are, your society etc etc.
Now Muslims interpret their religion ALL the time. That is why you have Wahabis, deobandis, the multiple schools of Sufism, Shia, Sunni etc etc etc. It goes on forever.
All these groups and sub groups all examine the same Hadith and the same Koran and come away with a completely different interpretation and understanding.
None of them change the words, and yet all of them have very different understandings.
No one alters the wrds of Islam... But EVERY school of thought in Islam has a differing interpretation of the same texts....
This is how the world works my friend. Unless God himself is here to tell who is right and who is wrong, no one can assume they are right.
In the same way, the Ahmdis say that God himself declared their faith to be true. Now you cant prove god didnt speak to them...
First Mistake u r using word GOD ... not Allah ... word God can have many interpretions ..
Okay for instance .. for the sake of daigloue ... If God Himself tell ur Mr. Ahamdi that U r the best / true ... Which holy Book he got ?
If ur Ahmadi called himself a scholar it wont have any problem ... but he want to be Messiah ... u know desire for more ... its human nature ... everyone want to b super hero or extra ordinary ... so that other follow him ..
simply if i gave u a option of being a General manager or a office boy ... want u wanna be ??
Oh bhai… I will take the BUT out of it… There is no Shak here.. This is FACT. Human NATURE is such that we derive different meaning from single sources.
And once again, you not proscribing to Naats is your intepretation and understanding. By the way, just because Arabs do it, doesnt mean its right either…
Muslims do this ALL the time. Why do you think there are so many different schools fo Islamic thought and philosophy?!?! Because Muslims are always interpreting their beliefs.
Do you think Muslims could live in the modern world without interpreting their religion to conform in some way with the changing world? For example, does Islam say a woman should be covered head to toe, just cover the head, or be completely hijab free? Different people have varying beliefs even though the examine the same literature. Does Islam allow music? Interprtation differs.
I dont want to be anything. Im only explaining to you that tolerance must be foremost in relgion. Because its not somthing you can ever be certain off no matter how much you try to fool yourself.
You should ask yourself why you want to be a Muslim… If you can answer that then im sure you can figure out why Ahmadis want to be Ahmadi. In fact, then you can answer why a Chrisitan would be Chrisitan a Jew a jew, and a Hindu a Hindu.
And the point of using the term Mehdi or Messiah is irrelavant. Christians derive many of their words from Greek translations of Hebrew text. Hebrew and Arabic have similar origns. Hence, its possible that some place in antiquity, the two words are the same.
And Koran or Quran is also irrelvant and I ask you to stick to the topic. The Koran was originally written in Arabic and there is no broad consensus on how it should written in English. And since you dont own the Arabic word, I dont care how you want me to spell it in English. Just to annoy you, I will contiue spelling it the KORAN. And if you dont want to confuse it for Korea, then you better read carefully.
First Mistake u r using word GOD ... not Allah ... word God can have many interpretions ..
Okay for instance .. for the sake of daigloue ... If God Himself tell ur Mr. Ahamdi that U r the best / true ... Which holy Book he got ?
If ur Ahmadi called himself a scholar it wont have any problem ... but he want to be Messiah ... u know desire for more ... its human nature ... everyone want to b super hero or extra ordinary ... so that other follow him ..
simply if i gave u a option of being a General manager or a office boy ... want u wanna be ??
Again... Irrelevant. Are you saying Allah isnt God?!?!
If Allah isnt God then what is he?!?!
The Koran says the Allah is God, and is the same God of the old testement and the Bible... Oh no, you just commited a shirk by claiming Allah has lied in the Koran... Bad boy. Astugfulullah!!!1
Now you are saying that all prophets bring holy books... Well maybe they do and maybe they dont. Maybe god decided he didnt need another holy book?!??!
Are you God (ALLAH SWT)?!?! Are you suddenly assuming you know the will of God... Another Shirk! Now you are claiming to be ALLAH SWT.. Astugfurullah! Your on a roll today!
Re: Pakistani Police And Authorities, Wiping Kalima from Ahmadiyya Mosque
watch this … first
You always skip my main point & Question (if u answer them then may b i will think u r right ) … What so special in being Ahmadi … What have he said that u make a separate religion … r u trying to fill in gaps (1-73 sects )
& as u asked me why m i a muslim … first logical / real reason is im born Muslim … Second now im studying other faiths/sects … & now i feel proud to b a muslim & following Allah & Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) no one else… Now its ur turn to give answer to my question ..
My questions Are
Why u want to b Ahmadi Muslim ?
Wats so Special in being Ahmadi Muslim ?
u trying to fill in gaps (1-73 sects )?
Why Ahmadi Declare himself a messiah?
Why do u need someone else … is kalima Tayab isn’t enough for you?
& regarding other parts of ur post … u choose manor issues .. like Hijab … Music … BTW i like a girl covered in a hijab then a girl wearing tight /small clothes ..
Again... Irrelevant. Are you saying Allah isnt God?!?!
If Allah isnt God then what is he?!?!
The Koran says the Allah is God, and is the same God of the old testement and the Bible... Oh no, you just commited a shirk by claiming Allah has lied in the Koran... Bad boy. Astugfulullah!!!1
Now you are saying that all prophets bring holy books... Well maybe they do and maybe they dont. Maybe god decided he didnt need another holy book?!??!
Are you God (ALLAH SWT)?!?! Are you suddenly assuming you know the will of God... Another Shirk! Now you are claiming to be ALLAH SWT.. Astugfurullah! Your on a roll today!
hahahah ... wow ... see ur habit of declaring any one Prophet know gone up to GOD ...
I dont even know why I bother with people like you…
Final point.
You cant prove they are worng and they cant prove you are wrong. So dont bother. Respect the beliefs of others as you would want them to respect yours. This means giving others the same freedoms that you would have for yourself.
It doesnt matter why anoyone wants to be who they are. I can give you a video made by Christians and ask u why YOU want to be a Muslim.
You choose what you want to wear because you interperet your relgion that way. You perfer Hijab because that is what you believe Islam mandates. But a hardcore Maulvi might beat your wife in the street for exposing her face as the used to do, or maybe still do in Afghanistan and other Taliban infested areas.
Bottom line, it all about interpretation. So long as you cant prove you are right 100 percent and god isnt here to validate your belifs, you cant claim you are right and others are wrong.
I hope you will actually think on this instead of mindlessly parroting what you have been raised to believe by close minded people who dont want you to think independant thoughts.
Oh bhai... I will take the BUT out of it... There is no Shak here.. This is FACT. Human NATURE is such that we derive different meaning from single sources.
okay if u take out but ... Then u say .. Islam can be Changed ... rite ???
I dont even know why I bother with people like you...
Final point.
heheh .. Run run ... oh i was about to become ahmadi if u would hav answer my questions
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believe me i respect them ... I feel happy seeing Christian Parying to Allah ... but i hate interpreters ...
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as far as christains are concerned .. I think u know How many times Bible has changed ... but for Quran .. Allah Himself Take responsiblity ... Any Doubt?
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Bottom line, it all about interpretation. So long as you cant prove you are right 100 percent and god isnt here to validate your belifs, you cant claim you are right and others are wrong.
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hmmm... So what the point of Revealing Quran to Muhammad (PBUH)
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Ur assumption ... But Im thinking with all the angles ... But Sticking to Basic Fundamentals
But the bottom line is this as far as pestacides, there are many who would say the same about Muslims in general.. There are many in the Non Muslim world who feel Muslims should be exterminated through your "pestacides."
Its pathetic that you would use the same terms to dengrate the beliefs of others.
The issue isnt who "plays" with Islam. The issue is, DO YOU have a right to define who is or isnt "playing" with Islam?
And your last statement is so foolsih.
Here you say only Allah can judge, and yet imn the sentance right above it, you sit in judgment of the believfs of Ahamdis.
You yourself admit that only Allah can judge, and yet here you are doing the judgingothers. Try to think for a mommnet on what your doing.
I just said it so that you can understand it I am not judging but you people just know how to derive your OWN meaning rather than thinking what it can be.
and a sensible mind who really knows what Islam is he cant think of the right and not just blindfold him/herself to the truth in the thought of getting help from europe and US
Muslims cant prove ISLAM is right to Chrisitian, because our entire case is based on whether God actually spoke to the prophet... Now we cant prove that to Christian useing the Bible.
In the same way, the Ahmdis say that God himself declared their faith to be true. Now you cant prove god didnt speak to them...
And so if you say they cant prove anythign according to the Koran, they will say you had misunderstood the Koran to begin with because god said so...
Basically its a mtter of proving what cant be proven.
So you might aswell get used to it. You have as much credibility in assuming your version of Islam is right as they do in assuming theirs is.
Muslims have proved them in many ways yet they dont believe it I have asked you to watch or hear Munaizra (Open Challenge) performed by many Muslim Scholars. There none of yours and not even of Christians professors were able to reply even the minor questions stated to them...
You asking me have they proved it... just go and watch it.. let me know if you cant even think of keywords to search them.
Interpretation doesnt mean you change the words. Interpretation means you look at a sentance or a passage and you derive different meaning from it. How you derive the meaning depends on who you are, your society etc etc.
Now Muslims interpret their religion ALL the time. That is why you have Wahabis, deobandis, the multiple schools of Sufism, Shia, Sunni etc etc etc. It goes on forever.
All these groups and sub groups all examine the same Hadith and the same Koran and come away with a completely different interpretation and understanding.
None of them change the words, and yet all of them have very different understandings.
No one alters the wrds of Islam... But EVERY school of thought in Islam has a differing interpretation of the same texts....
This is how the world works my friend. Unless God himself is here to tell who is right and who is wrong, no one can assume they are right.
None of them ever said that there was any other prophet after Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) only Ahmedis
And remember Allah will ask you at Qiyamah.. there were few of my people who tried to tell you the truth and you were still asking me to come and speak. Why you still never wanted to believe them? what kept you away to believe what they said. Now I am (Allah) in front of you and thats was the curtain between you and ME to believe and have faith.
I dont even know why I bother with people like you...
Final point.
You cant prove they are worng and they cant prove you are wrong. So dont bother. Respect the beliefs of others as you would want them to respect yours. This means giving others the same freedoms that you would have for yourself.
It doesnt matter why anoyone wants to be who they are. I can give you a video made by Christians and ask u why YOU want to be a Muslim.
You choose what you want to wear because you interperet your relgion that way. You perfer Hijab because that is what you believe Islam mandates. But a hardcore Maulvi might beat your wife in the street for exposing her face as the used to do, or maybe still do in Afghanistan and other Taliban infested areas.
Bottom line, it all about interpretation. So long as you cant prove you are right 100 percent and god isnt here to validate your belifs, you cant claim you are right and others are wrong.
I hope you will actually think on this instead of mindlessly parroting what you have been raised to believe by close minded people who dont want you to think independant thoughts.
you were provided just a small yet a solid reply to few of your question by the video clip.
You are also acting on the same way of your forefathers and your so said newbie scholars just no to think rather run away from the truth.
A private live of any person is his or her own responsibility, right. But if anybody try to do anything bad with in others Religion or change it to make their own. That wouldnt be tolerated. Christian even know that their HQ at Rome and other areas of Italy are the money generating places and has nothing much to do with belief. Though what they do is for themselves.
Ahmedis are those who are trying to play with Islam by creating their own belief. If they have their own belief they can have it but they should never stated anything from Islam and neither should be stating themselves as Muslims. If you are NOT following the Qalima " La Ilaha Ila Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah", while considering Muhammad (PBUH) as the prophet who taught the world about Islam Centuries ago and not the one who are created by Ahmedis with the help of western, then you are not Muslim.
Now some one else from other nick will come … then v hav to ask him all again …
One thing
What was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad qadiani exact location when he died?
Well, the known facts are that he died of diarrhea and that he died in Lahore (1908). There are numerous accounts which say that he died during one of his visits to the toilet.
**And yes, he simply claimed to be the second coming of Christ, which of course he was not. But even then, he managed to pursuade a small minority to follow him and set up a new religion. ** His writings say that protratcted illness is a punishment from God to disbelievers and that Jesus will not be returning because he is buried in Kashmir. So, I think it is not surprising that he died where he did… like any normal human being, albeit in more of an embarassing manner than the average man.
Prophecy Concerning Long Life
Mirza Ghulam declared to have received wahi (revelation) concerning his lifespan:
“Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239; Mawahib-ur-Rahman, P. 21)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani died when he was sixty eight (68) years old. Prophecy Concerning his Death in a Holy City
Mirza Ghulam had stated:
“I will die either in Mekkah or Medina.”
(Tadhkira, P. 591)
Mirza Ghulam did not ever see Mekkah or Medina. He died in the city of Lahore, Pakistan; his body was moved and burried in Qadian.
Re: Pakistani Police And Authorities, Wiping Kalima from Ahmadiyya Mosque
^^ yaar its only if these people understand. I wish that everyone of us dies as Muslim and not as Munafiq or Kafir.
about your fact once I was talking to Ahmedi. The fact (as being friendly to me) he gave was, that Islam also believe on that Hazrat Isa will return. So Ahmedi says too but they thing its (naozbillah) that Mirza Qadiyani. I said Allah has said that Hazrat Isa will come in Holy Place of Muslim and not in Pakistan how come this happened, and the reply he gave was just like a reply of a person who never know what Allah is. The answer was whatif Allah has forgotten it and have send him instead of Hazrat Isa (Naozbillah on this talk) I mean Allah the supreme power the ultimate devine, who have created us with more than 100% perfection. How can HE forget His promised talks? I mean how can a Muslim imagine that?
