Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

[mukobhai]

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@reduzijuice

As a Muslim I defend it because it is not a crime against another human being. Two men or two women having sex with each other does not do anything to you. It does no harm to society either.

Sorry sir by giving this statement you have proved that you are just pretending to be a muslim sir it is a crime against the society if ALLAH has declared it as a crime who the hell are you to not consider it a crime and two men and women having sex is also a crime because ALLAH has said either you are not muslim or you have not studied Quran I can’t believe any muslims can go against ALLAH and Quran

[raaaz08]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Trend of life style?

Although it is a disease but is becoming trend or life style in USA or in western countries. I have not named a single Muslim country. In fact I explained that, it is a crime according to Islam. Muslim countries condemning it. As mentioned in your post.

@Shamraz_Khan

Trend of life style? Please explain to me why would anyone wanted to be gay? What are the benefits?

Why should i tell? or how i can tell benefits of becoming a gay??? you may ask this question from reduzijuice, Med911 or Lulworth?? May be they know benefits of becoming gay…

@Shamraz_Khan

If homosexuality is just western thing I’d agree with you, but it is not. I mean there was a news story about 2 gay teens hanged in Iran last year and their bodies dangling from crane. If this was trend they sure picked a wrong country to be in. Btw, here in the US most gay haters usually turn out to be closed gay themselves. Have you ever wonder why?

Who? how? when? and Why? become a gay i m not discussing it.
My arguments are very simple.

It is against nature.
It is a sin according to Islamic teachings.
It must be condemned.

[raaaz08]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@reduzijuice

As a Muslim I defend it because it is not a crime against another human being. Two men or two women having sex with each other does not do anything to you. It does no harm to society either.

you are violating Islamic teachings and insulting Muslims and Islam..I think the forum administrator need to pay some attention on it. you have no right to drag this ugly thing in a Muslims attitude.

[mukobhai]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@raaaz08

you are violating Islamic teachings and insulting Muslims and Islam..I think the forum administrator need to pay some attention on it. you have no right to drag this ugly thing in a Muslims attitude.

Thanks brother

[reduzijuice]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@raaaz08

you are violating Islamic teachings and insulting Muslims and Islam..I think the forum administrator need to pay some attention on it. you have no right to drag this ugly thing in a Muslims attitude.

Dear raaz08 - disagreeing with someone is not the same as insulting someone.

You think that homosexuality is a crime - and that the Islamic punishment should be carried out.

I don’t think homosexuality is a crime - and the Islamic punishment should NOT be carried out.

I am disagreeing with you - I am not insulting you, or Muslims or Islam.

[mukobhai]

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@reduzijuice

Dear raaz08 - disagreeing with someone is not the same as insulting someone.

You think that homosexuality is a crime - and that the Islamic punishment should be carried out.

I don’t think homosexuality is a crime - and the Islamic punishment should NOT be carried out.

I am disagreeing with you - I am not insulting you, or Muslims or Islam.

Sir first clear us are you a Muslim because your writing clearly say you are not a Muslims because if you are Muslim than by saying homosexuality is not a crime you are denying Quran and whoever denies Quran automatically becomes a Non Muslim

[reduzijuice]

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Dear Mukobhai

I am a Muslim.

In my interpretation of my religion - homosexuality is at most a sin - but never a crime. Edit - Actually I don’t think it is a sin either.

There are many other people who I knew who support this notion. They are all Pakistani, they are all Muslim. It might come as a surprise to you - but all Muslims do not hold the same beliefs. You might think they should - you might also think that they should hold the same beliefs as you. Hopefully this will never be the case.

[raaaz08]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@mukobhai

Sir first clear us are you a Muslim because your writing clearly say you are not a Muslims because if you are Muslim than by saying homosexuality is not a crime you are denying Quran and whoever denies Quran automatically becomes a Non Muslim

100% agreed

[reduzijuice]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

^^ It is hypocritical to question another persons faith when that persons views do not conform to yours.

[Captain1]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@mukobhai

Sir first clear us are you a Muslim because your writing clearly say you are not a Muslims because if you are Muslim than by saying homosexuality is not a crime you are denying Quran and whoever denies Quran automatically becomes a Non Muslim

Lets get to technicals, homosexuality is “sin”, whether its a “crime” or not is defined by each country’s law.

[Med911]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@raaaz08

you are violating Islamic teachings and insulting Muslims and Islam..I think the forum administrator need to pay some attention on it. you have no right to drag this ugly thing in a Muslims attitude.

You raaz08, are violating Islamic teachings and insulting Muslims and Islam..I think the forum administrator need to pay some attention on it. you have no right to drag this ugly thing in a Muslims attitude

[Med911]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@mukobhai

Thanks brother

Your welcome brother.

[reduzijuice]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@Captain1

Lets get to technicals, homosexuality is “sin”, whether its a “crime” or not is defined by each country’s law.

Most dominant discourses in Islam agree that it is a sin. Some say it is a crime which can be punished. Ghamdi takes a different approach saying its a sin - and the act is punishable depending on whatever society deems.

I don’t care if it is a sin - because sins are between Allah and His servant.

I don’t think it should be a crime punishable in any way. As it is - it is hardly something that is prosecuted regularly in Pakistani courts. But just by being on the law books it is abused to the detriment of homosexuals in the country - and the advantage of no one.

I’ve heard of numerous marriages being annulled lately because the man turned out to be gay and couldn’t consummate the marriage. The woman however is considered a divorcee and has the stigma on her that our unjust society places with divorcees.

If homosexuality was legal - you wouldn’t have homosexuals being coerced into marriage out of fear of being outed - and you wouldn’t have problems of marriages being annulled and lives being ruined as a result.

[mukobhai]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@reduzijuice

Most dominant discourses in Islam agree that it is a sin. Some say it is a crime which can be punished. Ghamdi takes a different approach saying its a sin - and the act is punishable depending on whatever society deems.

I don’t care if it is a sin - because sins are between Allah and His servant.

I don’t think it should be a crime punishable in any way. As it is - it is hardly something that is prosecuted regularly in Pakistani courts. But just by being on the law books it is abused to the detriment of homosexuals in the country - and the advantage of no one.

I’ve heard of numerous marriages being annulled lately because the man turned out to be gay and couldn’t consummate the marriage. The woman however is considered a divorcee and has the stigma on her that our unjust society places with divorcees.

If homosexuality was legal - you wouldn’t have homosexuals being coerced into marriage out of fear of being outed - and you wouldn’t have problems of marriages being annulled and lives being ruined as a result.

Sir every scholar agrees it is a crime I have never seen a single one who has denied it and its punishment is Death in Islam it is clear but if one wants to disguise himself as a muslim and deny its his or her problem not the problem of Islam

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@raaaz08

It is against nature.
It is a sin according to Islamic teachings.
It must be condemned.

1. If it is against nature than it should not exist in nature (and homosexuality is widespread in animals, too).

You are confusing what is acceptable in a dominant cultural with nature.

2. It maybe a sin according to your beliefs, but you beliefs are irrelevant to law.

Also, people confuse sex with sexuality. They are not same. Sex is a preference and sexuality (homo/hetero/bi) is genetic. You can pick who is you sex partner, but you can’t pick what is your sexuality.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@mukobhai

Sir every scholar agrees it is a crime…

And I’m sure you personally spoke to every scholar to get his/her views on this issue. Stop making global statements when you lack basic understanding of the concept. Crime must equal harm. If there is no harm than there is no crime.

[mukobhai]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@Shamraz_Khan

1. If it is against nature than it should not exist in nature (and homosexuality is widespread in animals, too).

You are confusing what is acceptable in a dominant cultural with nature.

2. It maybe a sin according to your beliefs, but you beliefs are irrelevant to law.

Also, people confuse sex with sexuality. They are not same. Sex is a preference and sexuality (homo/hetero/bi) is genetic. You can pick who is you sex partner, but you can’t pick what is your sexuality.

Sorry sir we don’t accept that LAW which is against Islam and ALLAH is far more wiser than you he has clearly said it is a crime and its punishment is death so we don’t need any other man made stupid law

[mukobhai]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@Shamraz_Khan

And I’m sure you personally spoke to every scholar to get his/her views on this issue. Stop making global statements when you lack basic understanding of the concept. Crime must equal harm. If there is no harm than there is no crime.

Sir it harms the society and that is why its punishment is death in Islam if you don’t want to accept Islam than say it clearly

[picoico]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@Shamraz_Khan

1. If it is against nature than it should not exist in nature (and homosexuality is widespread in animals, too).

Yes, nature argument is bad…animals rape each other too…anyhoo…

2. It maybe a sin according to your beliefs, but you beliefs are irrelevant to law.

Wrong. In pakistan, Islam has much to do with the law.

Also, people confuse sex with sexuality. They are not same. Sex is a preference and sexuality (homo/hetero/bi) is genetic. You can pick who is you sex partner, but you can’t pick what is your sexuality.

Genetic…defect? These arguments were hashed out in the 90’s, and the fact is, the homosexual comunity sees no good from either side of the nature vs choice debate.

[mukobhai]

Re: Pakistani muslims condemn Homosexual ceremony in Islamabad

@reduzijuice

^^ It is hypocritical to question another persons faith when that persons views do not conform to yours.

Sorry sir you are going against Islam it has nothing to with our personal choice our personal choice is nothing in front of Islam and orders of ALLAH