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Also the title of this thread is misleading. I dont recall anyone (in nadz' thread) saying that one of the two lifestyles is better.
Exactly...that title would never have been written by me cos' I live in the west! I feel like my accounts been hacked! Next Hareem01 will be posting messages using my USER ID too!
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umm..I never said Pakistani lifestyle was better than British.
Even Iyla didn't say vice versa ..it was just about expressing some of our own point of views
No one said anything of the sort I agree.
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brilliant reply jolie!and yeah pakistani women especially in the bigger cities have a lot of freedom..to gain an education,to drive around,to pursue their dreams:)
in response to the above and to Enigmatic's original post, you guys don't realise that what you're talking about concerns only people who have the money to enjoy all that, and that is a tiny minority of Pakistan's population. don't insult all the people who can't even afford a minimum by stating such things only based on your experience and life.
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*Title changed. *
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Sure. In Pakistani dramas only.
uhh no...i AM living this life!alhamdulillah and so are many many women!
honestly,it seems to me the people who wont agree to this are probably the ones whose families resided in some ultra conservative village back home,who then migrated to the west for better economic opportunities, and their daughters suddenly had the freedom to get educated.Does not mean that every Pakistani has to go through the same route.
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^wow, you score well in generalizing, clearly you live in a prison made of gold
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Well most likely yeah coz 70% population of Pakistan lives in those villages and the rest 30% in cities are no better except the 5% belonging to rich families. Try travelling by a local bus or train one day and you 'll see how freely the men stare at you. :k:
And also, the sort of environment in work places is not in women’s favour either…Pakistani society is a male society especially if youdon’t live in Defence and Gulberg etc.
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why cant our sisters in the west realise that pakistani women IN pakistan CAN indeed lead a life that is fulfilling and happy?lol. i think this kind of negative perception is advocated by the western media to such an extent that some people can;t digest the fact of a number of muslim women in pakistan being successful in almost all the fields and not being "oppressed".:)
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Apricot what people are saying is that although it is very possible its a minority of people who have the life you describe statistically speaking.
If i had ALOT of money i would move to karachi in flash.
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why cant our sisters in the west realise that pakistani women IN pakistan CAN indeed lead a life that is fulfilling and happy?lol. i think this kind of negative perception is advocated by the western media to such an extent that some people can;t digest the fact of a number of muslim women in pakistan being successful in almost all the fields and not being "oppressed".:)
I have lived in Pakistani villages, Big cities (Lahore/Pindi?ISb), in rich areas as well as the poor areas.
Living in Pakistan is only good if you have your family members there and if you have lots of monies.
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You can pretty much lead a nice lifestyle anywhere in the world with oodles of cash AND you can lead an oppressed life regardless of the money.Like Jolie mentioned earlier,it all depends on family dynamics and even now there are countless British asian homes who are extremely orthodox and prohibit their daughters from acquiring an education,pressurising them into forced marriages etc.
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Apricot what people are saying is that although it is very possible its a minority of people who have the life you describe statistically speaking.
If i had ALOT of money i would move to karachi in flash.
Well in every society,theres the uber rich elite class who are totally disconnected from the enviroment around them.I was not talking about them since i'm not of them:).However,there is a proper working middle class of Pakistan which is in fact the backbone of our ailing economy right now.and believe me,its girls from this class that are joining the labour force in huge numbers out of a dire economic necessity.
It is true you can lead a lavish life in pakistan if you have the money but that applies to any and every location.
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I am a middle class girl here in the UK and my familly in pakistan are allhamdoulillah middle class and no financial issues and very well educated I go to Karachi almost every year for atleast a month and I have also lived there. I love karachi i love pakistan and I love my life in the uk. Here are some differences that i find.
In the UK I walk around completely alone without fear, where as in pakistan this is just not possible, you cannot spend saturday afternoon shopping ALONE.
I can go for a run, in pakistan i would not feel comfortable going for a run unless i lived in some gated community in defence.
Pretty much 3 times a week i meet up with my friends and we go out to the cinema, for dinner, to the park for a picnic, take a road trip to another city. In pakistan I cannot go to the cinema, dinner yes obviously but a group of girls alone 3-4 times a week? and a road trip to another city just like that - i dont think so.
The thing is apricot the is a lack of independence for women in Pakistan.
Things which are fantastic about pakistani life - i think if you are a woman and earning a decent amount and can afford maids and driver, there is a very very very good social life and lots of fun, your family is there which is the best thing, you can practice your religion much more easily, the food is amazingg obviously you can just be pakistani :)
There is a difference and both have their pros and cons.
But i wonder - most people who get an opportunity to leave do, why? and those people who try and settle back for the most part try and fail. My family is an example.
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I'm not sure about everyone else, but I love Pakistan. The lifestyle in Pakistan is so much more relaxed than the busy 9am-5pm we experience here in the UK. I would definitely move to Pakistan if I had the money and security over there.
On the contrary, although I do consider Pakistan as 'home', I would find it extremely difficult to leave behind everything I have ever known, so for a loooong holiday to Pakistan, it's a yes. But in practicallity, living there for the rest of my life is not something I could realistically imagine doing. There's just too much difference.
Idk about anyone else, but for myself, being born and bred in the West has torn me between the West and East - maybe I'll never find where I actually fit in. Maybe Nadz feels the same way.
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WTH is this? Who said one lifestyle is better than the other?
No s*** sherlock, there's an earth and sky difference between the Western and South Asian world. And, the point is? If you are a Western born and bred and want a marriage with a Pakistani national in Pakistan that comes with all sorts of fun and comfort, than please choose someone with money and 'liberal' tag on his head. Yes such group of people does exist in Pakistan, if they're out of your reach then that's your problem, country is not at fault. Western world doesn't force you to marry someone from 'back home' and live there, or does it? You make your own bloody choices.
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I am a middle class girl here in the UK and my familly in pakistan are allhamdoulillah middle class and no financial issues and very well educated I go to Karachi almost every year for atleast a month and I have also lived there. I love karachi i love pakistan and I love my life in the uk. Here are some differences that i find.
In the UK I walk around completely alone without fear, where as in pakistan this is just not possible, you cannot spend saturday afternoon shopping ALONE.
I can go for a run, in pakistan i would not feel comfortable going for a run unless i lived in some gated community in defence.
*Pretty much 3 times a week i meet up with my friends and we go out to the cinema, for dinner, to the park for a picnic, take a road trip to another city. In pakistan I cannot go to the cinema, dinner yes obviously but a group of girls alone 3-4 times a week? and a road trip to another city just like that - i dont think so. *
The thing is apricot the is a lack of independence for women in Pakistan.
Things which are fantastic about pakistani life - i think if you are a woman and earning a decent amount and can afford maids and driver, there is a very very very good social life and lots of fun, your family is there which is the best thing, you can practice your religion much more easily, the food is amazingg obviously you can just be pakistani :)
There is a difference and both have their pros and cons.
But i wonder - most people who get an opportunity to leave do, why? and those people who try and settle back for the most part try and fail. My family is an example.
Again it has so much do with your family rules and dynamics. From my school/college and now Uni and work days I can pretty much say 97% of the Muslim girls I know don't have such freedom. Even if they do indulge in such activities, they do it either behind their parents back, have their full permission (which doesn't come easy) or do it in groups like they do it Pakistan. And surprise surprise I'm talking about UK.
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I have obviously seen a very different uni life to you hear in uk jolie - many of the muslim girls i know live like me, the minority are restricted from the people who i have met.
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I have obviously seen a very different uni life to you hear in uk jolie.
Uni life is different for different people.
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I believe in making the best of both lifestyles. I grew up in Pakistan (we lived in a middle class area in Islamabad and there were times when we were very tight financially) but the fact that we had the best neighbourhood, we had really amazing family friends, we got to go to karachi every summer to see my relatives and cousins, and the fact that I had the BEST Quran teacher ever really makes me want to go live there again. Sometimes a socially isolated western lifestyle really gets to me. Also the fact that all my cousins live together in Karachi and grew up together and I never had that really makes me wana live in that extended family culture. I mean they are together every weekend, going to weddings/concerts together etc. makes me want to be a part of it too.
It may also be because I am in grad school with a younger crowd than I am who is all into clubbing and drinking. I find that I can't relate to them one bit and I don't get the time or opportunity to find pakistani people on my campus (since its huge and my building is located outside of the main campus). My pakistani friends are amazing though, it's just that we are all grown ups now with jobs and such and hardly get to see each other.
I also think that Pakistani lifestyle is a little bit less hectic and stressful than the western lifestyle. During days when I have clinics, I honestly don't even get 5 MINS to sit down on my couch and just reflect on my day. There are days when I dont even get a chance to talk to a single person other than patients in the hospital. It's just this hectic, stressful lifestyle makes me want to escape from here for a little bit.
Re: Pakistani Lifestyle vs Western Lifestyle
I am a middle class girl here in the UK and my familly in pakistan are allhamdoulillah middle class and no financial issues and very well educated I go to Karachi almost every year for atleast a month and I have also lived there. I love karachi i love pakistan and I love my life in the uk. Here are some differences that i find.
In the UK I walk around completely alone without fear, where as in pakistan this is just not possible, you cannot spend saturday afternoon shopping ALONE.
I can go for a run, in pakistan i would not feel comfortable going for a run unless i lived in some gated community in defence.
Pretty much 3 times a week i meet up with my friends and we go out to the cinema, for dinner, to the park for a picnic, take a road trip to another city. In pakistan I cannot go to the cinema, dinner yes obviously but a group of girls alone 3-4 times a week? and a road trip to another city just like that - i dont think so.
The thing is apricot the is a lack of independence for women in Pakistan.
Things which are fantastic about pakistani life - i think if you are a woman and earning a decent amount and can afford maids and driver, there is a very very very good social life and lots of fun, your family is there which is the best thing, you can practice your religion much more easily, the food is amazingg obviously you can just be pakistani :)
There is a difference and both have their pros and cons.
But i wonder - most people who get an opportunity to leave do, why? and those people who try and settle back for the most part try and fail. My family is an example.
well said. that is exactly how i feel too abt london and pak.