Pakistani Identity...

Very interesting article. The guy took the words out of my mouth!
The question of identity

http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/17/op.htm

By Sardar Aseff Ahmad Ali

SOME months back I was asked to open a photographic exhibition by the PNCA at the Shakir Ali Museum in Lahore. In my brief address I referred to the rich South Asian culture of which Pakistan is a part. A gentleman from the audience took exception to my remarks and later wrote to me to the effect that I had disclaimed the two-nation theory, and that the Pakistani Islamic culture was distinct from the Indian Hindu culture.

For many months I have pondered the question with deep reflection. So important is the issue, a public answer from a public figure might just be in order. The threat of prediction must never thwart a seeker of truth.

Let me at the outset declare that no one can question my Pakistani credentials nor my family’s who were stalwarts of the Pakistan Movement. Having said that, the issue of Pakistan’s culture being purely Islamic remains to this day a moot question. I cannot hazard a definition of what constitutes “culture”.

The overwhelming view now is that ethnicity and culture are what nations and societies use to define themselves. As an individual I am extremely proud of being a Pakistan and a Muslim. I wish that could resolve the complexity of our situation in Pakistan and in South Asia. Talk to a Sindhi, Baloch or a Pakhtoon and one will get an idea of our situation.

Unlike the Punjabi, none is prepared to sacrifice his mother tongue or his subculture and history. Only the Punjabi middle-class and intelligensia are too ashamed to talk to their children in Punjabi which is perhaps among the oldest South Asian languages, rich in poetry and literature. Only in Punjab, Urdu is seen as a replacement of Bulleh Shah’s Punjabi. It’s Hali versus the Heer.

The “ideology of Pakistan” is too insecure to tolerate a language other than Urdu. This is not to say Urdu is not ours. It is and will remain the national language. There’s no threat to Urdu from any regional language. Why is then Punjabi seen as a threat to Urdu? So, language as a vital medium of culture, runs into serious problems when the large majority’s mother tongue is else from the officially promoted language Urdu.

My other problem is how can religion alone explain our nationhood. If this were so what are the 160 million Muslims of India? According to the two nation-theory, the Indian Muslims are really overseas Pakistanis stranded in India. Then there’s the issue of Bangladesh. Previously, as a majority they rejected Urdu as their national language, but did not ask that Bengali, the language of the majority of the then Pakistan, be made the official lingua franca. This was their right.

If Urdu is the only symbol of the two-nation theory and a symbol of ‘Pakistaniat’, then by definition the architects of Pakistan negated the democratic basis of its genesis, i.e. a minority will dictate the majority. Also, how do we explain the culture of Muslim Bengal in terms of the ideology of Pakistan, if ideology is to be defined in terms of the Urdu language and Islam only?

The intellectual problem arises in defining culture as a medium of religion only. In the Muslim world there are distinct historical and civilizational entities. The Iranians and Turks intermingled, yet are distinct from one another. The Gulf Arabs have little in common with the Levant or the Maghreb. The Sahil and Sahara have an identity of their own. The Central Asians and Caucasians are different from all others. The Far Eastern cultures of Indonesia and Malaysia, though Muslim, have little in common with heartland of Islam. South Asian Muslims are worlds apart from other Muslim peoples. So where do we draw the line?

It’s true that practice of the tenets of Islam has much in common in all Muslim lands. In the spiritual sense there’s an identity amongst Muslims all over the world. But in the temporal sense there is no one unifying identity. Each Muslim society defines its own paradigms of culture and civilization. Muslim societies of the Nile, Mesopotamia, the Indus and Oxus have pre- and post-Islamic civilizations. Their people are proud of their ancient and their recent past. They see no contradiction in claiming the past as their own.

So the more we look deeply into the issue, the more complex it becomes. The more answers we seek, the more questions arise. No single answer satisfies us. Why not therefore shed historical romanticism, and evolve a more realistic paradigm of what we are.

We are Muslims of South Asia who evolved a culture of our own different from the Muslims of other parts of the world. Most of us were Hindus, but were converted to Islam by Sufi saints over the last thousand years.

Over 10 centuries those of us who came from foreign lands, gave much to South Asia. At the same time South Asia gave us a great deal. A huge South Asian diffusion took place in languages, literatures, music, food, poetry, architecture, paintings etc. we became South Asians. We should not be in denial of this stark reality, which cannot be wished away. Who can deny that the style of Taj Mahal’s central structure minus minarets and domes is Rajput? Who can deny Ameer Khusro’s contribution to music. How long can we sustain the fiction that we are not South Asian?

All attempts to Persianize, Arabize or Islamize Pakistan have been unmitigated disasters leading to confusion, intolerance, denial of democratic and human rights, and finally terrorism. There is a South Asian culture in the sense that there is a European culture. Germans, French, English, Italian and Spanish are all proud of their European culture and civilization. This does not take away from their own identities which caused so much historical discord. Why can’t we conceive of a South Asian culture as a macrocosm and our own as a microcosm? It is a shared subcontinent of races, languages and religions. In diversity and inclusion is its identity. We can remain proud and confident that we are countries with individual cultures and religions, and yet recognize 1000 years of cohabitation.

We made Pakistan because of our insecurity with the Congress which did nothing to allay our fears as a minority. Mr Jinnah till the last, was for any possible settlement not to divide India. Let us hypothetically imagine the consequences for the subcontinent, had the Congress accepted the Muslim League’s demand for separate electorates, or if Nehru and Gandhi had agreed to the Cabinet Mission Plan. Notionally, the Muslims of India would have been divested of their insecurity as a minority. The raison d’etre for Pakistan would not be there. In terms of pure deductive logic, the follies of the Indian Congress opened the door for the Pakistan Movement.

South Asia is several time larger geographically than the continent of Europe, and many times larger demographically. There is vast diversity of language, race, ethnicity, nation and religion. Yet there is a South Asian under-pinning; a commonality it would be foolish to deny. It’s time we accept this as a confident nation, rather than argue that it has served us poorly. Our pride in our country and Islam, can’t be so fragile that it’s in any danger. An acceptance of this reality will remove many intellectual cobwebs in our minds, and remove the identity crises of Pakistan.

We must seek our identity in our land, in our deep roots which go back to the ancient Indus Valley civilization. To this day, our farmers use the same utensils, implements, bullock carts, etc. as those used in Mehrgarh, Harappa and Moenjodaro. Like millions of other children, I too played with terracotta toys from ancient times, as a child. If Egyptian Muslims can be proud of their pharonic past, Iraqis of their Mesopotamian and Babylonian history, and Iranians of the Fars; why can’t we Pakistani Muslims take pride in the Indus civilization?

Pakistan as a land was an entity 6,000 years ago; an ancient land with a new country. Our history did not start with Mohammad Bin Qasim. I know of no other state or country that disclaims its own history and civilization. The whole ethos that the so-called intellectuals of Pakistani conservatism have evolved, is based on the foreignness of Pakistan. The ideological history is based on conquerors and marauders, and not the gentle people of Harappa, Moenjodaro, Gandhara or Hindujah. It is true Arian Khushans, Arabs, Turko-Afghan, Persians migrated to this land, some in peace and some in war. All were assimilated in this region. None were ashamed of their new identity. They all made this land their home. None went back to Baghdad or Basra, none returned to Balkh or Bokhara. With their new religions, creeds, languages, cultures, they all assimilated.

Islam spread with the advent of conquerors; not by the sword but by the great saints who came and stayed. They preached love and tolerance. They preached inclusion. They condemned no faith, no religion. They saw truth and beauty in every religion. Through love, through spirituality they converted millions of Indians to Islam.

That is what Pakistan is all about; proud of its ancient history, proud of its diversity, proud of its gallant people and proud of its religion of the Sufi saints and their sublime poetry.

Let us wind up the identity debate and play our destined role as a proud Muslim state of South Asia. History beckons us to be a bridge between Central Asia and South Asia, between South Asia and the Middle East, and be a moderator between Islam and other great religions.

Let us not circumscribe ourselves to some arcane and untenable definition of our statehood that belittles our ancient culture and civilization. I do not propose to challenge the wisdom of our founding fathers, but only to re-define our identity on a historically realistic paradigm free of romanticism and arcane intellectualism based on faulted assumptions.

The writer is a former foreign minister.

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A profound piece indeed. I throughly enjoyed reading this article. I agree with the writer. We can not make progress unless we redefine our selves. We have always mindlessly sided with the arabs only to get contempt and indifference from them. They dont even recognise us as muslims. it is about time we open up to India and declare that Islam shall not be used to preach hate. God Bless.

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This is from an article. I see so many Pakistanis now shunning the Indian dresses (like Sarees) to Arab style dress.


A thousand years after Muhammad bin Qasim invaded India and converted the first Hindu to Islam, the Arabic invasion is in full swing

A foreign menace threatens us. We are under attack by an alien influence so insidious that most are unaware of its existence even as it undermines the very foundation of our society. Our language, the defining characteristic of our culture, is being subverted. In classrooms and offices, on television and radio, in casual and formal speech, our beloved Urdu is slowly being corrupted by another tongue.

If you think what's got my goat is a simpering airhead on TV gushing "viewers, hum short break kay baad milte hain ," you're mistaken (although the airhead is pretty annoying). The enemy is far too cunning for such an obvious attack. It works through underhanded means; deceit and subversion are its weapons. Allow me to illustrate.

Even though I graduated from college years ago, keeping in touch with the alma mater nurtures my Peter Pan complex. I subscribe to the email list of the Pakistanis on that American campus, an affiliation that keeps me up to date on local desi events: cultural, culinary or otherwise. Only recently, at the very beginning of the holy month, a flurry of emails landed in my inbox to mark the sighting of the moon. One annoyed me to no end.

"Ramadhan Mubarak," it proclaimed.

Excuse me? Ramadhan ? I may not have fasted since I was sixteen, but I'm pretty sure that the month of big appetites and short tempers is called Ramazan. What country are we from anyway?

Dear Dada Abba, the stern family patriarch, often threatened me with physical violence for my inability to pronounce the Arabic duad . Eight year-old Quran readers across the nation are victim to this malaise. Confusingly, duad (the 'duh' sound) in Arabic is zuad ('zuh') in Urdu. The language chips were stacked against poor Dada Abba. Since he could hardly force me into changing my name to Dia, correcting my pronunciation was a lost cause to begin with.

Obviously, the (Pakistani) sender of the Ramadhan email had a more effective grandfather. Either that or he has succumbed completely to the alien menace. More and more Pakistanis, especially those in the diaspora, are incorporating Arabic into their everyday speech. This is a new wave of Arabic imperialism, different perhaps from the one started by Mr Bin Qasim in 712 AD, but just as decisive.

Of course, Urdu speakers are no strangers to linguistic imperialism. The language, though indigenous to India, has always borrowed heavily from Farsi and Arabic, the languages of literature and philosophy. The founding fathers, cognisant of this, looked west - to Persia and Arabia - for the vocabulary of culture and erudition. This accident of history makes the contemporary Pakistani position on language rife with paradox.

Is there another nation whose citizens do not understand their own national anthem because it's written in a foreign language? As a student, I sang it every day for eleven years (not very prettily, need I add). But even as an adult, I struggle with the unfamiliar words and alien grammar in the vain hope of understanding what the sweetest ode to our land actually means. And should we really celebrate the fact that the high priests of our culture, men like Ghalib and Iqbal, considered themselves to be primarily poets of Farsi, not Urdu?

Ah, but that was then. Farsi and Arabic were the pillars of high culture. The times they are a-changing, sang Bob Dylan. My mother's Farsi BA notwithstanding, the number of fluent Farsi speakers in the country today can probably be counted on one hand (and a few feet). Similarly, despite PTV's bizarre efforts to educate the public through Arabic news bulletins, the sorry truth is that few understand the language of revelation. If my local maulvi sahib is relying on a recycled Friday khutba , surely the average school kid can be excused for lip-syncing the national anthem?

More examples. A generation ago, Lollywood heartthrob Waheed Murad would start his day with cornflakes and a cheery " Adaab, ammi ." The indigenous greeting of adaab is fast going the way of the dodo, having given way to Assalam alaikum . The (thoroughly indigenised) Persian khuda is another casualty of the war on Urdu; even Abbu has taken to signing off with "Allah hafiz " instead of the possibly pre-Islamic " Khuda hafiz ". Pakistani Arabists are promoting wassalam as the next daisy-cutter against Urdu. What's next, Allah-o-Akbar chants at cricket matches? Wait, we already have those. How about a constitutional amendment to replace shukria with shukran ? Our Majlis-e-Shoora - the word "parliament" makes Arabic groupies itch - is just the sovereign body for the job. Maybe Ameer-ul-Momineen Musharraf should go for an enlightened clean sweep and declare Arabic the national language.

Jokes aside, the linguistic imperialism cake by far goes to a gentleman of my acquaintance who has a truly novel catchphrase. In lieu of a simple goodbye or see ya, this gentleman relies upon a cheery inna lillahi wa inna ilahi raji'un ('we are from God and to God we shall return'). Every meeting with him leaves me as depressed as a visit to the Tariq Road graveyard where a certain ancestor of mine lies in restless slumber. Adaab , Dada Abba.

Some truth or BS?

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^ A lot of truth in that:) Even I have found myself useing “Allah Hafiz” most often. And I never even knew that “Adab” was a term used in Pakistan!
We should accpet our place as South Asians. But I hate all the gloating Arogant Indians who already know this is ultiamtely the only choice…:rolleyes:
Whatever…

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Dude no one is gloating. I see no contradiction between the fact that Pakistan and India are separate nations and accepting that some Pakistanis and some Indians share similar cultural traits. At the end of the day, a Punjabi in Lahore and and a Punjabi in Amritsar are more alike than a Tamil and a Punjabi.

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as much as i hate to accept it, but you have a valid point indeed…or may be i am saying this becauae my grandfather migrated from amritsar and my mother,s father migrated from jalandhar…

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I was kidding, its all in jest.. Anyways I agree with you on this one!

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Im not sure if im ready to accept my Hindu past just yet.. Need more proof of it, but not willing to discount it either. We in Pakistan are far to mixed up to be solel descendants of Hindus. We need a comprehensive DNA test across the nation to determine where we come from in terms of pecentage of local and foreign DNA. A simple swab from the inside of the cheek will do the trick.

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One very interesting thing I have noticed, that Muslims tend to only look to the male side in terms of descendancy. For example, from my village the Musali, or marasi or whoever keep a record of our ancestors. Mine goes back to Qutab Shah Awan, who was around about 14 or13th centure from my estimates... Goes back really far. But I only know my male ancestors, and it may be VERY likely that the female branch which isnt covered at all were from Hindu line. This doesnt take into account the fact that Muslims marry within the family which would decrease the number of Hindu descendants, but im fairly certain that quite early on when Qutab Shah came to India, he didnt bring women from his parts along, so his wive (yes wiveS) and those of his compatriots were local Hindu women, probably low cast Hindu women. This also explains how in my ancestoral village there were also Hindus up to partition, even though the founder of the village was a Muslim around 500 years ago. So obviously the Muslim men were marrying local Hindu women all the way up to the point when the British took over and the Muslims lost their predominent role in the area.

But the extent of Hindu DNA in my heritage is what I would like to know...

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there is no such thing as religous dna

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Bro where did you go to school? You know what I mean..

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^Are you having a hard time coming to terms with the facts that Muslim men married Hindu women? History is History, plain and simple..

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About Muslim men marrying Hindu women. The caste system in India has always been very strong(till now that is). This applies to areas which now come under the Pakistani nation. While Muslim rulers took Hindu princesses as thier wives(thinking they belonged to an equal status royal family) Muslim women were likewise not acceptible to Hindu rulers as they thought their blood would be degraded and the new generation not accepted by the their community(mainly Rajputs). The case of Shah Jahan's sister Jahan Ara is an example, she loved a Mirza who was not equal in status, but was not acceptable to the Emperor so she had to remain unmarried.

The problem with Hindu caste system was that even if a Hindu was to be seen sharing food with a Muslim(Maleccha is the term from the Brahmins) he was shunted out from his community. There is the story of Muhammad Shah 'Rangeela' who was very fond of Classical Indian Music. He had a Brahmin Gopal Das Sharma from Mathura come and sing in his courts. Once so impressed was Rangeela with his performance that he offerd the singer a paan. The acceptance of the paan become a problem for the poor Brahmin, for as soon as the news of a Brahmin accepting a paan from a Maleccha reached Mathura, Gopal Das was thrown out of his community. He had to become a Muslim.

I don't know how relevant this is to the topic but the story needs to be completed. Gopal Das had a son whom he named Bairam Khan(Note how a Brahmin became a Khan) who had no interest in singing. But when he turned 35 he suddenly had an urge to sing. The thirst of knowledge took him to Mathura(his own father was no more) to learn from his fathers friend(another Brahmin). But the old man would not acccept him as his pupil. Bairam Khan was determined, he stayed at his door for three days without food or water till the old man had to accpet him as his student. Thus came to be the gharanas, both Muslim and Hindu, which follow the Guru Shishya parampara and they all start their performances with the Saraswati Vandana(Saraswati is the goddess of learning and vandana is prayer). Do the Muslim performers become any less Muslim by reciting a prayer? Ask Ustad Zakir Hussain(Tabla) or ask Ustad Amjad Ali Khan(Sarod).

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Only a few decades ago we were a part of Indian Islamic culture. We had lived in one huge country, India, for centuries. After the division of India on our insistence, and coming into being of Pakistan in 1947, the same pre-partition culture of undivided India persisted with us. Barring the alphabets we speak the same language that the majority of the Indians speak. We call it Urdu and they call it Hindi. For us in pre-partition Karachi it bore one name, Hindustani. Except religious scriptures the entire literary and artistic legacy in the subcontinent is common heritage between India and Pakistan. You can’t partition Ghalib, Meer, Kabeer, and Tagore. You can’t bifurcate Taj Mahal. Our music, our folklore, our songs are the same. Culturally, we do not have anything common with our brothers in faith, the Iranians, Egyptians, and the Arabs. We neither dress up like them nor speak their language.
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag2.htm

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As a family/tribal identity the only thing which counts is descent down your paternal lineage, I’m sure my ancestors married some Indusi or Indian women and I may have a few of their genes but they are not part of my identity, and Indusi/Indian blood will be limited because in our families most marriages are within the same tribe or with tribes of a similar background, sometimes women from outside are married but the family’s own daughters are never given outisde the family to tribes of different background and culture.

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How can a geographical location like South Asia be anyone’s identity? And FYI it’s not proper to count the western half of our country as South Asian, it’s incorrect geographically and ethnically, Punjabis and Mohajirs are not everything, there’s more to Pakistan. First you guys suppress them and withhold from them what’s rightfully theirs and now you’re brushing their existence and identity under the carpet.

It would be more appropriate to say Pakistan is South Asian and Central Asian/West Asian, which does not necessarily equate to Arab or Persian.

:smack: I would sooo even go as far as give birth through my penis to be a West Asian/Central Asian!!! To be honest with you I don’t want to be associated with South Asians. Most South Asians who see me think I’m a West Asian/Central Asian asylum seeker anyhow.

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This is from an article. I see so many Pakistanis now shunning the Indian dresses (like Sarees) to Arab style dress.
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With the exception of a few (not all) Mohajirs, Pakistanis (or NW Indians for that matter) never wore the Saari, Saari is for greasy Indian women and is completely alien to us, we have always worn our Shalwar Kameez, I feel as uncomfortable with your Saari’s and Dhotis as I do with Arab dress but I would rather a Pakistani wear Arab dress than a hideous Saari or Gandhi Ji’s Dhoti because it looks better and it’s kind of justified when Muslims enhance their cultures through each others, I mean even some Arabs wear Shalwar Kameez which is a Pakistani/Afghanistani/Khalistani (Khalistan being East Punjab only).

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Excuse me? Ramadhan ? I may not have fasted since I was sixteen, but I'm pretty sure that the month of big appetites and short tempers is called Ramazan. What country are we from anyway
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“Ramdhaan” is an Arabic word and ought to be pronounced the way it is.

Urdu is as beautiful as it is because it borrows from Arabic and Persian, otherwise it would have been pure Hindi that ugly dialect spoken on Star News.

Every Muslim should know Arabic, Arabic and Islam are inseparable.

Just as I know English because British is my identity, Urdu because Pakistani is my identity, my regional language because that is my identity, I also know (basic) Arabic because Muslim is my identity. I’m learning Arabic not to be an Arab but to be a better Muslim because Arabic is the lingua franca of Islam, not to say Allah doesn't understand when I do regular "gimme this gimme that" prayers in English but ritual prayers, chants, reciatation have to be in Arabic.

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this is how you are treated

The United Arab Emirates used to import young boys who were strapped to the backs of the animals whenever a race was scheduled.

The main function performed by these lads was to scream as loudly as possible when they were whipped by the camel jockeys. The scream apparently goaded the animals to greater speed.

On one occasion, a six-year old child slipped and fell and was crushed by the stampede of camels. The press in Dubai covered the incident in four lines, but a Pakistani reporter got wind of the accident and broke the story in Punjab. At first the police ignored the incident, but eventually decided to take some action.

The camel kids resided in Rahim Yar Khan, where exceptionally poor parents have been known to sell their children, and were recruited by a local agent. The agent was arrested. He got a good lawyer, obtained bail, and within a week was shipping another batch of kids to the Gulf to spur the camels into action. Life is apparently cheap in southern Punjab.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/20/op.htm#5

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Those Arab camel jokceys are ******** but they are not representative of all Arabs.

The main criminals are the Pakistani Punjabi parents of those kids for selling them in the first place.

The camel jokceys are going to buy kids from anywhere they're available even if it's Arab children.

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*Ranjhan puts on his logical sensible cap* OK maybe it's true that Punjab, Sindh and Kashmir are inseperable racially, ethnically and culturally from Northern India and have a South Asian identity but the rest of Pakistan is Central/West Asian.

I think what puts most of us off is when we see people from Tamil Nadu (and as beautifull as they may be) we think God damn it they're Indian, they're not like us in any way.