Pakistan was never meant to be a islamic state. In jinnah's speach he told the people of pakistan that they are free to pray to whatever god they believe in and he stressed equality between all of pakistans citizens. these different cultures and religeons add to pakistans beauty. Religion is something that is very personal and should not be forced on to others. These mullahs hasle non muslims in pakistan trying to convert them. If any of you are familiar with the kalash people in chitral, they are a great example of a minority in danger of extinction. I really hope that our literacy race increases and people become less ignorant and more open to different religeons and cultures. Pakistans biggest problem is that Islam is more important than nationality and culture. Islam is not going anywhere, but our culture is.
A Pakistani family in love with India for its religious freedom
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Madina (Haryana), July 10 : Pathano Devi is enjoying her life sitting on a half broken cot outside her small hamlet in Madina village of Haryana.
Devi, a Hindu resident of Pakistan’s Lyallpur region, arrived in India a month back to meet her relatives. But now she doesn’t want to return to her homeland. Devi along with her husband and a 12-member family are camping in this small hamlet.
Despite their visas having expired a few days ago, the family refuses to leave for Pakistan due to the ill-treatment they had been receiving there.
Thousands of Pakistani Hindus are living in the border areas of India, especially in northwestern parts of Rajasthan and Punjab.
Devi alleged that she felt compelled to leave her homeland, as they did not have religious freedom.
“We came to India because of our religion. My children were asked to change their names in the school and convert .We refused to do so. We were asked to eat meat, which we were not ready to do. So we had to leave our home and even our land,” said Devi.
Lashkar Chand, one of the five sons of Devi, said they would never return to Pakistan as they were being treated as outsiders.
“We told the people there that we are going India to meet our relatives. But we are not going back as it will take sometime. We will not leave this country as there is great difficulty in living there,” said Chand.
The influx from Pakistan picked up during the 1971 war and the demolition of the controversial Babri mosque in Ayodhya in 1992.
Most Hindus and Sikhs migrated from Pakistan to India as many Muslims trickled to Islamic Pakistan during the bloody partition, which came along with independence in 1947. But still, there are a few Hindu and Sikh families who have preferred staying in Pakistan.
The border between India and Pakistan was determined by a British Government-commissioned report usually referred to as the Radcliffe Award after the London lawyer, Sir Cyril Radcliffe, who wrote it. India was formed out of the majority Hindu regions of the colony, and Pakistan from the majority Muslim areas.
Massive population exchanges occurred between the two newly-formed nations in the months immediately following Partition.
Once the lines were established, roughly 13 million people crossed the borders to what they hoped was the relative safety of religious majority. Approximately 7 million Muslims went to Pakistan from India while about 6 million Hindus and Sikhs moved to India from Pakistan. (ANI)
Plenty of ethnic-Punjabi Hindus and ethnic-Punjabi Sikhs and also plenty of ethnic-Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan.
As for ethnic-Pukhtoon and ethnic-Baluchi Hindus/Sikhs then I don’t know of any (whether these ethnic groups ever were Hindu or Sikh is debatable).
I have met some Pukhtu speaking Sikhs in Peshawar but they were not ethnic-Pukhtoons, most of them either migrated a very long time ago from the Punjab or are ethnic Hindko speaking.
I also know two so-called “Afghan Hindus” from Afghanistan but again they are not ethnic-Afghan (i.e. Pukhtoon) and neither do they look it unlike the Punjabi Sikhs who can pass off as both Pukhtoon and Punjabi.
Some pics of “Afghan” Hindus for you, as is quite clear from their looks they look nothing like Pukhtoons or other Central Asian Iranian tribes but rather like Desi’s from eastern Pak and northern India (there’s a few exceptions which could be the result of ‘messing about’ by their ladies). I’m only posting the links for the pictures and wouldn’t reccomend relying on the site for research as they have some very misleading and wrong information on there.
The name surname Kakar on the site is also a Muslim name in Pakistan,it is of the Khatri caste. Now if I am not wrong you are saying that the Hindus cannot be of Pakhtoon origin. The Pakhtoons have always been Muslim? Even when there was no Islam? They could be Zorastrian or Buddhist but not Hindu. Was there much difference betreen all these religions at all? Did they mix with each other? I mean did they interact, could it be that a Zorastrian became a Buddhist or a Hindu? Or a Hindu converted to Buddhism. Surely, these religions didnot have much antagonism(they still don’t).
What is a Hindu itself is not definite so the need for conversion amongst the believers must have been a very informal affair. When one attributes a slippery character to the fairer sex of a certain religion it only brings forth the lack of education and the prevalance of prejudice amongst you. Sadly that will be your defining characteristic.
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The name surname Kakar on the site is also a Muslim name in Pakistan,it is of the Khatri caste.
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Majority of the Hindus from northwestern Pakistan and Afghansitan are warrior caste as they were in the olden days, coming from that region myself I think I might be part or full Khatri descent or maybe even Brahmin or even Achoot... But who cares hain?!
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Now if I am not wrong you are saying that the Hindus cannot be of Pakhtoon origin. The Pakhtoons have always been Muslim? Even when there was no Islam? They could be Zorastrian or Buddhist but not Hindu. Was there much difference betreen all these religions at all? Did they mix with each other? I mean did they interact, could it be that a Zorastrian became a Buddhist or a Hindu? Or a Hindu converted to Buddhism. Surely, these religions didnot have much antagonism(they still don't).
What is a Hindu itself is not definite so the need for conversion amongst the believers must have been a very informal affair. When one attributes a slippery character to the fairer sex of a certain religion it only brings forth the lack of education and the prevalance of prejudice amongst you. Sadly that will be your defining characteristic.
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Look dude 1. I'm not slagging off Hindus 2. I'm not a Pukhtoon.
Maybe prior to Islam some of them did convert to Hindusim or Vedic Dharma or offshoots of Hinduism such as Buddhism and Sikhism but on the whole as a nation I don't think they ever were Hindu, originally they were most probably Zoroastrians or some other religion...
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It is better that you go through some historic records and then arrive at some conclusion. There were three major religions in the now Pakhtoon dominated areas- Zorastrianism were called Attish Parast(fire worshippers), the Hindus and Buddhists were called Butt Parast(the word Butt or Idol is from the word Buddh, don’t confuse that with the Kashmiri Butt). The Bamiyan Buddhas are a living proof of the Afghan people following Buddhist religion.
You statement that the people of Pakhtoon origin were never Hindu only reinforces your prejudice. It seems that acknowledging the Hindu origins of the Pakhtoons will somehow make them less Pakhtoon. They can be anything but not Hindu attributes a very Brahaminical concept of purity to the Pakhtoons. Maybe because of the Pakhtoon fighting spirit you think that Hindus cannot be fighters and acknowledging the fact is something that is shameful.
We live in a modern age and our our concepts of racial purity and bravery, strenghth and morals and attributing it to a certain race ought to be questioned time and again. Letting primitive, old folklore to dominate our sence of objective thinking based on facts is not being modern, leave aside being educated.
You, me and everyone on this board is a mix of many races, many cultures and many religions, the influences of which show in daily life and are in our blood. To refuse to acknowledge that fact is only going to make you more and more uncomfortable.
Present day Afghanistan is not the same as it was centuries ago, demographs have changed since then, the people inhabiting these regions then (at least the predominate ethnic groups) when it was a north "Indian state" are not the same as those today.
Nowhere did I say Hindus can’t be warriors or are somehow inferior to anyone, I know the Kshatriya (warrior) caste exists in Hinduism and obviously the ‘crème de la crème’ of Hindu society i.e. the Aryan Brahmins who first invaded the Indian Subcontinent and subjugated the native Dravidians (who they later termed as ‘lowly’ and ‘filthy-untouchable’) were also Hindu.
I say the Pukhtoons were not followers of “Sanatana”-Dharma originally or ever embraced it on the whole, not because it was below them to do so but because linguistics, archaeologists and other researchers point to Pukhtoons belonging to the Avestan branch as opposed to the Vedic/Sanskritic branch, and from what I know mainstream ‘Hinduism’ is not heavy on conversions so when I say ‘Hindu’ I’m talking more in terms of ethnicity than a spiritual path.
I agree with you on one thing that no ethnic group is racially ‘pure’, I myself don’t believe in any of that crap, there’s enough dividing the human race as it is.
