Pakistani Hindu community

Are Pakistani Hindus genuinely patriotic or they need to be for their survival in a country with 98% Muslim?


Separated by race and religion, Pakistanis are united only in their antipathy towards their giant neighbor.

According to a Persian saying, Multan was famous for four things: heat, dust, beggars and burial grounds. The latter were the magnificent tombs of various Sufis, or Islamic mystics. Legend has it that one Sufi deployed his miraculous powers to lure the sun closer to earth, thus creating Multan’s crippling heat. In the 4th century B.C., Alexander the Great swung through town on his world tour, almost dying there when an Indian spear punctured his lung. Seven hundred years later, a Chinese traveler found a mammoth Hindu temple in Multan. Not a brick of it survives today, although a tiny community of Hindus does.

They live in Railway Colony, an area near the station with crumbling brick houses and narrow, cobbled lanes. It is mainly inhabited by Christian descendants of rail workers employed during British rule. About 35 Hindus cluster among them, where they feel more secure (most Hindus in Punjab province fled over the border after partition). I watched as a small temple, shaded by a hallowed pipal tree, slowly filled up with worshipers. Inside was a tinsel-draped shrine loaded with votive fruit and smoldering incense. A sign above it read, “Om sweet om.”

Multan’s Hindus have many grievances—grievances echoed by Pakistani Christians I spoke to. Muslims are always favored when it comes to job offers or college places, they say. “We are poor—much poorer than the Muslims,” says Parwan Lal, a 20-year-old arts student. Yet Parwan and his friends claim they would not hesitate to defend Pakistan against any aggression from their Hindu brethren in India. “I’m a Pakistani first, and a Hindu second,” says Chaman Lal, 20, another student. “We will defend our motherland, just as Muslims in India would fight to defend their country against Pakistan.”

Was this simply the necessary patriotism of a minority, part of an embattled community’s highly-evolved instinct for survival? I’m sure it was heartfelt: even casual visitors are impressed by Pakistani patriotism. Yet Pakistanis seem to love their country without being particularly proud of it, a schizophrenic attitude they share with my compatriots, the English.

Durongo,

99.9% of Hindus live in rural areas of Sindh. They are not as poor or victimized as you have implied here. They are richer than the local Muslim population and they live in peace. Occasionally Hindus are targets of hate crime in Karachi whenever Muslims become target of hate crime in India. What is happening to Muslims in Gujrat is no comparison to what you are depicting here. Pakistani Muslims were target of intensive hate crime in Americas and other civilized world after 911. But then this is not something new to cry about. If you are a rational and honest person just see the statistics of hate crime or persecution of communities on the basis of religion. Today Muslims whether Pakistanis or otherwise the main target of persecution and victims of hate crime because of their religion.

Sincerely,
FARID

Time Magazine on India - Pakistan

http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/journey2002/southasia.html

This is from Time magazine article

Durango, and your point is?

http://indiaexpress.com/news/national/20020818-0.html

68 percent of Indians perceive Pakistan as an enemy: survey
19.40 IST 18th Aug 2002

By IndiaExpress Bureau

An opinion poll conducted by a leading news magazine shows that majority of Indians consider Pakistan an enemy.

The poll commissioned by India Today also revealed that 38 per cent of the respondents regarded an attack on terrorist training camps in Pakistan as the best option to terminate terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir.

The poll, which covered 17,776 people, found that 68 per cent perceive Pakistan as “an enemy.” a conducted by market research firm ORG-MARG.

Another finding of the poll conducted by market research firm ORG-MARG was that only 37 per cent of the Muslim respondents regarded Pakistan as an enemy.

“Forty-nine per cent of Muslims have a rather charitable view of Pakistan as an estranged brother, a friend and a future ally,” the magazine said.

Nearly 38 per cent of respondents were for military strikes on terrorist training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir to end terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir.

Only 18 per cent thought that problems with Pakistan could be solved through talks.

Again 38 per cent of the respondents felt that India handled the eight-month-old military stand-off with Pakistan “very well”, while 41 per cent of those surveyed considered India the victor in the confrontation.

“There is a widespread approval of the Government’s handling of the face-off with Pakistan and the nuclearization of India still commands a staggering 70 per cent approval,” the survey found.

The survey – titled “The Mood of the Nation poll” – elicited the opinions of voters in 19 states and around 100 parliamentary constituencies, India Today said.

The respondents were “representative of the urban and rural areas,” included men and women and “all age and social groups,” the magazine added.

While 47 per cent of Hindu respondents favoured the construction of a Ram Temple in Ayodhya, this was not a solution favoured by the Muslims, predictably, the magazine said.

An estimated 26 per cent blamed “Muslim fundamentalists” for the eruption of communal riots in Gujarat, which have taken a human toll of more than 1,000 since February.

The poll also showed a fall in the approval ratings of Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, from 59 per cent two years ago to 33 per cent.

Vajpayee, however, is still ahead of Congress Party president Sonia Gandhi by 13 points.

However, BJP trailed Congress Party by three per cent in the survey among the respondents who felt the latter was best placed to solve the country’s problems.

On economic matters, 38 per cent said rising prices and unemployment were the issues that worried them most. However, 57 per cent said there was no change in the quality of life during the past two years.

Hindus dont have it hard in Pakistan, and even if a few are slapped up-no harm done. Its payment for how srab Danish Kaneria is. :lol

How can u question someone’s loyalty? What kind of perverse thinking is that?

And there are plenty affluent and educated Hindus in Pakistan. Examples: Mainstream - Deepak Perwani. Government : Raja Pratap Chandra Singh. A Hindu - Seth Sukhdev - was a prominent member of the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

As regards their loyalty and love for their country, here’s what one sample of their population has to say:

For more question-answer barters email these folks and find out exactly where their loyalty lies. :disgusted:

Pakistan could be the crapiest country in the world… But her people will always love it…:k: (*specialy when it comes to defending it against the Indians:rolleyes:
Pakistan Zindabad:)

Get real guys!! Hindus were about 14% of Pakistan in 1947 and now they are less than 0.5% !! At Every turn and every opportunity they are told how awful Hinduism is and the word hindoo is used as an abuse by the majority (including on this site), and it is debateable who is detested more in Pakistan, jews or hindus. The conspiracy between Yahud and Hanud (i.e. jews and hindus ) is splattered all over the news papers!! I pity those poor guys .. what do you expect them to do? Tell the truth so they can be killed in passion.

I find it amazing that there are any left anywhere other than sindh. A few isolated families sticking to their faith despite the constant and continuous drum beat againt their beliefs: they must really believe in their faith and I have the greatest respect for them for that. Yeah, sure they are 100% loyal!!! Just leave them alone to their miserable condition.

This is akin to interviewing the Muslims in Gujarat refugee camps and their saying on T.V. that they are loyal Indians. Sure! Give humans some diginity atleast.

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Get real guys!! Hindus were about 14% of Pakistan in 1947 and now they are less than 0.5%..
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Maybe the contraceptive used by the Hindus is better in quality than the ones used by the Muslims? Maybe the Hindus migrated to other countries like many Muslims of Pakistan? It really is pathetic to see the Hindus here try to justify the massacre of Muslims In India by posting such garbage. Good Ol' Secular India.

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Get real guys!! Hindus were about 14% of Pakistan in 1947 and now they are less than 0.5% !!

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Mr Narayan lal Saxsena "OLD lahori"

    Believe me u r quite clever , its a very good idea to open a thread by one name and second ur self in the thread by a different name .

Having multiple names is not cheating but misuseing them is.

what a punjabi hindu who lived in pakistan thousands of years has to to with hindu in orissa or bengal?

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Maybe the contraceptive used by the Hindus is better in quality than the ones used by the Muslims? Maybe the Hindus migrated to other countries like many Muslims of Pakistan? It really is pathetic to see the Hindus here try to justify the massacre of Muslims In India by posting such garbage. Good Ol' Secular India.
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More and more justification by some chowdharies of Islam. Truth is too much for them to handle.

It is standard fare to be called names when you post something that is unpopular, and it is amazing that I got called Narayan Lal and not a hindoo outright. Initially long time back, that used to hurt but now I am surprised when the insult of being a hindoo or a jew is not hurled at the least independent thought. Atleast there is that much sense around given the topic of the thread. Seriously, why cannot we think and speak the truth?

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More and more justification by some chowdharies of Islam.

I say again, there's a help available on pak.org. Ask for it!

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I say again, there's a help available on pak.org. Ask for it!

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I did, they said they are busy helping someone called Pakistani Tiger. Once they are done with him they will consider others.

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I did, they said they are busy helping someone called Pakistani Tiger. Once they are done with him they will consider others.

The story is different. Mods doubt Asif_K is a Muslim, who claimed there was a Genocide of Hindus in Gujarat :p

Truth Exposed :D

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Here's the proof Mr. Phony Asif_K

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Google ji - Itna khush mat ho. Itne jo scams kiye hain aapki sarkar ne - JUNTA sabka Hisaab Legi. Not to forget the genocide of Hindus and Muslims in Gujrat.


AK
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Genocide of Hindus in Gujarat. Yeah right!

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Here's the proof Mr. Phony Asif_K
Genocide of Hindus in Gujarat. Yeah right!
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Munnay - If you dont know something - then it is better to stop acting like a Thekedar of Islam.

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Munnay - If you dont know something - then it is better to stop acting like a Thekedar of Islam.

Pappu, you ain't no nothing.

Here comes again:

Geoncide of Hindus & Muslims in Gujarat.

I think, there were only Muslims, who were baked by VHP dudes.

Why denying this fact?

I say again, there's a help available on pak.org

Don't you ever try to manipulate me. And why the hell you are claiming me something which I'm not?

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I think, there were only Muslims, who were baked by VHP dudes.

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Are you forgetting the train incident ?? Your friends in India (The VHP DUDEs)were responsible for instigating the Hindus and the Muslims. Like always It was muslims who suffered at the end.

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And why the hell you are claiming me something which I'm not?

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What did I claim ?? If your offended by being called a MUNNA - then Please dont be offended - I will change it to Tunnu or munnu.