Pakistani Hindu community

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

Are you forgetting the train incident ?? Your friends in India (The VHP DUDEs)were responsible for instigating the Hindus and the Muslims. Like always It was muslims who suffered at the end.

My friends in India LOL!

Pappu, Genocide of Muslims were pre-planned.

Didn't Vajoo backed Modi?

...and tell me more doesn't a difference exists b/w Gujarat and Godhra?

*What did I claim ?? If your offended by being called a MUNNA - then Please dont be offended - I will change it to Tunnu or munnu. *

Nope, you got it wrong again. Why you claiming me as Choudry or Thekedar of Islam, which I'm not. And who are you anyway to say that?

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
...and tell me more doesn't a difference exists b/w Gujarat and Godhra?

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Shows, how much you know about India. Godhra is a small town in the state of Gujarat, India

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Why you claiming me as Choudry or Thekedar of Islam, which I'm not.

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You certainly are - Like your govt, You have a habit of declaring who is a Muslim and who is not.

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

Shows, how much you know about India. Godhra is a small town in the state of Gujarat, India

Why would I wanna know about India? :p

You certainly are - Like your govt, You have a habit of declaring who is a Muslim and who is not.

Nope! I am not. Like your Govt. you are certainly the fact that Genocide of Muslims were pre-planned.

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UK report censures Gujarat rulers

British officials in India say the recent widespread violence in the Indian state of Gujarat was pre-planned and carried out with the support of the state government

“The aim of the violence was to purge Muslims”

Read all about that by yourself!

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
Why would I wanna know about India?
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then dont make stupid statements like Godhra and Gujrat are different.

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Read all about that by yourself!
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I know all about myself. I know what happened in Gujrat, my own sister lives in Ahmedabad.

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

then dont make stupid statements like Godhra and Gujrat are different.

Oye yaara relax

*I know all about myself. I know what happened in Gujrat, my own sister lives in Ahmedabad. *

Okay baba

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Why would I wanna know about India?
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If you do not have the capacity to become less-than-superficially enlightened about what you are mouthing, then silence can indeed be a virtue.

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *
Get real guys!! Hindus were about 14% of Pakistan in 1947 and now they are less than 0.5% !! At Every turn and every opportunity they are told how awful Hinduism is and the word hindoo is used as an abuse by the majority (including on this site), and it is debateable who is detested more in Pakistan, jews or hindus. The conspiracy between Yahud and Hanud (i.e. jews and hindus ) is splattered all over the news papers!! I pity those poor guys .. what do you expect them to do? Tell the truth so they can be killed in passion.

I find it amazing that there are any left anywhere other than sindh. A few isolated families sticking to their faith despite the constant and continuous drum beat againt their beliefs: they must really believe in their faith and I have the greatest respect for them for that. Yeah, sure they are 100% loyal!!! Just leave them alone to their miserable condition.

This is akin to interviewing the Muslims in Gujarat refugee camps and their saying on T.V. that they are loyal Indians. Sure! Give humans some diginity atleast.
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Old Lahori, when we talk about Pakistan in 1947, at that time Bangladesh was also with us, which had a considerable Hindu population, secondly Punjab and Bengal were divided, as a result millions of muslims and hindus were killed on both sides of the border, thats the reason why you wont find any Hindus in Pakistani Punjab, and Muslims in Indian Punjab. So implying that the population of hindus in 1947 was 14 % of the total population doesnt make any sense.

err…there are a lot of muslims in Indian Punjab though naturally the sikhs are the majority, and lot of hindus in Indian Punjab too. Don’t generalize. :rolleyes:

I really don’t want to get into a lengthy discussion on this topic. The 14% number is from the history books and it is after the 1947 Partition for West Pakistan. The region of Bangladesh had about 25% in 1948. Here is a URL for a Dalit site that states Quaid had reserved 6% for the Dalits quota for federa services. These were outside the Uppercaste hindus. I can only get job numbers from history sites. I don’t have any personal experience and I have never met a hindu from Pakistan.


Dalits of Pakistan

Surendar Heman Valasai

In Pakistan, Dalits are mainly concentrated in Sindh. Except fewer individuals all of them are landless Haris. According to rough estimates, the Dalit population is 1.5 million in Pakistan. However, no official or authoritative figure is available. A huge majority of them is infact homeless for they have no proprietary rights of the lands they are settled in. In Tharparker, the Dalits form approximately 35 per cent of the total district population. Several hundred Dalit families lost their lands before partition due to forgeries in their ownership documents by influential tax collecting waderas of Tharparker. But illiteracy has plunged them into the darkness. They have separate utensils in rural tea and food hotels. Among the Dalits of Pakistan, Meghwar tribe is considered as more educated. The Kolhis are the most neglected and downtrodden. Many of them have won freedoms from agriculture slavery known here as “private jails” of big landlords. Bheels are also there but their literacy rate is also among the lowest in Dalit tribes.

Most of the Dalits are living in make-shift homes made of wood, and raw mud. However, fewer of them are settled in semi-urban centres.

Dalits of Pakistan are the unfortunate people for having no political leadership. Some MNAs (Members of National Assembly) were elected from Dalits but their politics revolved around making personal and family fortunes.

In Pakistan, before the October 12, 1999 coup, the Dalits had two seats in 217-member National Assembly of Pakistan.

** The founder of Pakistani nation, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah had installed a Dalit Federal Minister for Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs. However, thereafter no government has inducted any of the Dalit in Federal or any provincial cabinet as Minister. The Quaid had also given 6 per cent job quota in the federal services to the Scheduled Castes. But in 1998, Nawaz Sharif government converted the “Scheduled Castes job quota” into “Minority quota” due to the influence of caste Hindu and Christian MNAs in a National Assembly session. The two Dalit MNAs (i.e. Dr. Khatumal Meghwar & Kirshan Bheel) didn’t raise any voice against this conversion though the said quota was rarely implemented in the past. **

Lack of educated and social reformers among the Dalit population of Pakistan has further pushed them backward despite forming the largest portion of Hindu population.

Though the government takes interest in the complaints of Human Rights violations of Dalits in Pakistan, but the local fiefdoms make it difficult for any government action to reach its finale.

Apart from Sindh, Dalit population is also visible in the Punjab province, especially its Siraiki belt. The lone Hindu and Scheduled Caste seat in the Punjab Assembly always goes to the Dalits in every elections. However, in Sindh, Dalits were only able during the last two elections to get a single seat out of five reserved for Hindu and Scheduled Castes of the province while the rest four seats usually go to the caste Hindus.

In recent Local Bodies elections with last phase being held on joint electorate basis, three Tehsil Naib Nazim (Taluka Vice Chairman) posts were won by Dalits (i.e. Kanjimal Meghwar of Mithi Tehsil, Rawto Kolhi of Nagarparker Tehsil and Dalpat Meghwar of Chachro Tehsil).

A caste Hindu Rajput Ram Singh son of Ran Singh won the District Tharparker Naib Nazim post through the support of his ‘cousin’ Arbab Ameer Hassan a former MNA and son of the sister of Ran Singh Rajput.

The Dalits of Pakistan need concrete efforts to improve their education. There is no institution or organisation in Pakistan which specifically address this issue for Dalits.

Old Lahori, I dont know much about Sindh, but there were many hindus in Pakistani Punjab, at the time of partition and a considerable number of muslims in Indian Punjab. Even my family comes from Indian Punjab, now see the current stats of both provinces, there are negligible muslims in Indian Punjab, and vice versa.

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Old Lahori, I dont know much about Sindh, but there were many hindus in Pakistani Punjab, at the time of partition and a considerable number of muslims in Indian Punjab. Even my family comes from Indian Punjab, now see the current stats of both provinces, there are negligible muslims in Indian Punjab, and vice versa.
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You are absolutely right. The history is horrible. The plight of the Muslims in Gujrat, Muslims in Kashmir, or the Kashmiri Pandits in the Kashmiri valley is only in the very recent history. It is a shame that humans have to be so brutal and cruel to each other. One way to learn from history is to not cover it up, and pretend. One can see that tendency when I read that Narender Modi of Gujrat tries to justify the murder and killings in Gujrat. We have 35% poverty in Pakistan! We have a very high rate of illetracy and impassioned people in Pakistan, who get easily excited. I remember reading an article in Daily times about how some Imams excel in getting riled up by giving an extremely emotional speeches. We have people who are using blasphemy laws for personal and petty purposes. In this environment, to talk about that the despised minorities who are largely very poor Dalits and low on the social totem pole are loyal and proclaim their loyalty just appears bizarre.