Pakistani hate Ahmedis !

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Do we hate Ahmedis ?

**1.**PM Yousaf Gilani’s most favourite and Pakistan most brilliant Civil Servant , Chairman Federal Board of Revenue and Federal Secretary Revenue( jointly hold both positions) .FBR Pakistan Highest taxation and fiscal policy making body praised for breaking all previous records of 62 years crossing the barrier of Rs. 1000 Arab in 10 months of 2009-2010 economical year praised by Asian Development Bank, World Bank and IMF for his outstanding performance.Even Supreme Court Chief Justice during a hearing of some case said to him 3 months ago that “Mr.Chairman ,We are your admirers”. At such top most postion , there is no one but Ahmedi , Mr.Sohail Ahmed , ex Commissioner Bhawalnagar and ex Secretary Planning and Secreatry Finance in Punjab. PM Gilani asked Shahbaz Sharif specially to take Sohail Ahmed from Punjab to Centre. Not only a dedicated officer but a very nice man as well (personally know him he is from Model Town Lahore and helped in my father extension when in Punjab and moved special summary to CM Pervez Ilahi at that time).

2. Lahore Amir of Jamat-e-Ahmedia who died in an attack and his son was Incharge of Korea-Japan Desk in Foreign Ministry and was in Japan on offical tour .Salman Basheer , Pakistan Foreign Secretary did special arrangements of an emergency plane for him to attend his Father Funeral in Rabwa.Chenab Nagar.

**3. **Pakistan top level civil and military positions are hold by Ahmedis.Lt General(retd) Nasir was died yesterday was son-in-law of Sir Zafarullah Khan , Pak first Foreign Minister appointed by Jinnah.Brother of Sir Zafarullah also died in this attack.My neighbours which we have very good relations from past 20 years also go to Bait-ul-Zikr 108-C Model Town Lahore but thank god , they are safe.

4. Moin Qureshi remain Pak Prime Minister in 1993 some people also declare him Ahmedi, in 1971 , Planning Commission Chairman was brilliant economist M M Ahmed , Major General Akhtar was the main Planner of Operation Gibraltar to free Kashmir on advice of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Pakistan Foreign Ministry at that time was also Ahmedi. Dr.Salam though shamelessly kicked out of his own country yet he was advisor to General Ayub and on his advice General Ayub started Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission and appointed his students of Cambridge and Oxford like Riazuddin and I H Usmani and other physists at different divions of PAEC. Dr.Salam also started Pakistan Space Program SUPARCO.Many top scientists attached to Pak Nuclear Program and still in NESCOM and KRL etc are Ahmedis.

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3 Ahmedi family remain in our neighbourhood from 20 years , there is not even a single incident of any kind rather all have very good relations with them.Ahmedi once remained in upper portion of my house and i used to read thier newspaper from Rabwah and then wrapped it again and they knew that but never objected, we used to eat toghether , go on picnics and all that fun.

When people condemn these barbarian acts , they outrightly blame all living here to be religiously morons but matter of the fact is that these Khwarijs of Laskra-i-Jhangvi and Siph-e-Shaba not even spared 61 sunni leaders praying Maghrib Namaz in 2006 in Karachi and blowed them on Eid Milad un Nabi as it is Biddat according to these Khwarijs.They not even spared Mufti Naeemi like moderate scholar as he openly condemened Suicidal Attacks in Pak. They not spared Shias from 1986-2010 and killed thousands of them. Funding is coming from Saudia, Egypt and Gulf States , Ideology is coming from Abdul Wahab of Arabia , Syed Qutub of Egypt , Ideological Backing and Support is coming from Hamid Mir , CEC member of PML-N Irfan Siddique who left Nawa-i-Waqt to get more money from Jang Group , Orya Maqbool Jaan , Ghazi of Daily Jang ,Shireen Mazari of Nation , Majeed Nizami of Nawai Waqt , Zaid Hamid and all others who are having Wet Dreams of Dominating World , AL-Qaeda is on the Driving Seat as Saleem Safi described in his last column in The News , TTP Pakistan and Punjabi Wing of Jaish-e-Muhammad, Harkat-ul-Jihad Al-Alimi , Al-Furqan, Ilyas Kashmiri are on the executing these operations , Wahabi Lashkrai Tayyaba funded by Saudia is openly supporting them , Deobandi Scholars of Binoria and whole Pakistan providing Logistical Support of staying these Terrorists in thier Mosques at Night and Baighairat Diesel Smugglers of JUI and Jamat-e-Islami are fighting TTP Cause at Poltical Front.

So these Takfeeri and Neo Khwarijs and Followers of Hassan bin Sabah not spared anyone which came in front to resist thier ideology and so these barbarians did in Lahore yesterday !

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Dr.Mansoor is Head of Cardio at Mayo and King Edward

We are in it together —Dr Syed Mansoor Hussain

Monday, May 31, 2010
Daily Times

The Ahmedis have never done anything to harm Pakistan, and yet those that opposed the creation of Pakistan are at the forefront of accusing them of being anti-Pakistan

After the Friday massacre in Lahore, I kept asking myself, how and why we have come to this point. I grew up in the Lahore of the late 50s and 60s. My family was not very religious but neither were they very liberal. I went through a typical upper middle class education for that time, English medium schools, followed by a couple of years in Government College (GC) and then five years in the King Edward (KE) Medical College.

During those years, I had of course heard about the Ahmedis and very probably had friends and classmates who were Ahmedi as there were Shias, Sunnis, and even some Christians, but never gave it a thought. The first time this sectarian anger against the Ahmedis came to the fore in my life was when as a second year student in KE, a classmate of ours died in a tragic swimming pool accident.

We decided to have a funeral prayer (namaaz-e-jinaza) for our classmate on the college campus. Suddenly out of nowhere appeared a bunch of students who belonged to the Islami Jamiat-i-Talaba (IJT) trying to convince us that the deceased was an Ahmedi and a funeral prayer should therefore not be held for him. Fortunately, a majority of students in our class ignored these IJT types and went ahead to offer the prayers.

My earliest memories of Lahore as a child were of processions, riots leading to curfews and eventually something called a Martial Law. Many years later when I went back and read about the early history of Pakistan, I realised that those riots were part of the anti-Ahmedi movement led by anti-Pakistan religious groups like the Ahrar and the Jamaat-e-Islami. Part of my reading included the ‘Munir Report’ written by Justices Munir and Kayani about those ‘disturbances’.

In that report I also found out that the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) government in Punjab led by Mian Mumtaz Daultana had aided and abetted this movement. Indeed that report was an eye-opener and is perhaps a great example of the erudition and the objectivity of the senior judiciary in Pakistan. In my opinion any serious student of the history of Pakistan must read that report.

The decade of the 60s ended with the fall of the military dictatorship of General and then Field Marshal Ayub Khan, leading to the second military dictatorship in the history of Pakistan led by General Yahya Khan. Whatever one might say about the 13 years under these two generals, Pakistan was very much a country infused by a pluralist religious ethos. Sectarianism existed but was very much in a muted and undercover form.

Towards the end of 1971 I left Pakistan for the US. When I left Pakistan it still had two wings, East and West Pakistan; however, soon the country went through a violent rupture. During the next decade, things changed a lot. The Ahmedis were declared non-Muslims by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (ZA, their mosques became ‘prayer houses’ and they were forbidden to call themselves Muslims.

Then came the evil decade of Islamisation in which Pakistan changed entirely. Religiosity of an extreme sort became the accepted norm, and virtually all Muslims not subscribing to an extremist vision of Islam became pariahs. The Ahmedis were pushed into a corner and became completely ostracised. The 1953 agitation against them had finally succeeded. All members of religious minorities who could, fled the country including the Parsees, the Christians, Hindus, and the Ahmedis.

For three decades I lived and worked in the US. Other than the family members of the close friends I made during those years, half were probably Jewish and the rest divided between Christians of different denominations, Indians including Hindus, Sikhs and a couple of Jains, and some Muslims from Pakistan. For me religion became the least important barometer of friendship. Frankly, for most of my professional life in the US, if I had to depend on somebody, it was the Jews followed by the Indians with the Pakistani sorts being quite unreliable as a group.

When I returned to Pakistan some years ago, another General was in charge, and ‘enlightened moderation’ was the slogan being touted by the General and his acolytes. Sadly, whatever the facade was, the reality was that Talibanisation and religious extremism were being pushed by the ‘establishment’. All claims of enlightened moderation were completely exposed when the attempt to take off the ‘religion’ column in the Pakistani passports failed. Like ZAB, Musharraf might have been a religious moderate, but he also gave in to the religious extremists to save his job.

The last few years have seen an escalation of both religiosity as well as religiously-motivated terrorism in Pakistan. It is true that many external factors are stimulating the extremist revival, the most important being the US-led invasion and occupation of first Afghanistan and then Iraq. But that does not absolve us in Pakistan from the charge of letting this menace grow.

It happened due to the collusion of the people in power and flourished because many ordinary Pakistanis support the violent and extreme vision of Islam that is pushed by the Taliban and their ilk. Of course the new democratic governments both at the Centre as well as in Punjab have made appropriate noises but they just do not have the gumption to come out openly against religious extremism and those that pander to it. Unless the ordinary people rise up against this menace, it will never be checked.

As far as the attack on the Ahmedi places of worship (cannot call them ‘mosques’ because that is against the law) is concerned, that is particularly despicable. People aggregate to worship Allah, and they become victims of an attack by those that claim to serve Allah. As far as I know the Ahmedis have never done anything to harm Pakistan, and yet those that opposed the creation of Pakistan are at the forefront of accusing them of being anti-Pakistan.

Syed Mansoor Hussain has practised and taught medicine in the US. He can be reached at [email protected]

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Hate and belief is two different things ..

i beleive that pakistani and majority around the world 'believe' that the belief of Ahmadi is wrong. Thas all.

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So what , I also belive that and not only Ahmedis but also about shias and ismailis and few beliefs of brelvi and deobandi etc.It has nothing to do with not considering them equal citizens at all

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desert bird,

If what you say is true, then everyone you listed, including yourself and your family will come out in support of repealing the 2nd amendment, right?

If not, nothing you write means much.

When you see your friend getting beaten up, the test of friendship is in whether you fight for him, not in waiting until he is beaten and then say nice things about him...

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Taliban Lover No.1 : Irfan Siddique

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Yaar I have no Swiss and Spanish accounts which is necessary to be in upper and lower house !

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the way i see it is ...your either muslim or non muslim ..and non muslim i.e. kafir is NOT a swear ..and anyone who is non ..living in a muslim country ..dunt make it an equal.

However, I do also believ that killing someone ..either being muslim or non .. is TOTALLY wrong cos end of the day they are makhlooq of Allah Almighty... but if they were to stir up .. contradict ... elaborate islam and make a joke of it then ... they surelyy are human i..e. makhlooq of Allah but they drop a few points and lose rights to be given right of equality ..and same goes for the rest ..esp Ismaili and the agha khanis too and some off shoot sects of shia..

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Nice Column

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Sure !

Have you read any of the great fuqhas or classical scholars works about about rights of Zimis or minorities in state dominated by muslims ?

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just for the record : of course the attack on the mirzais was condemnable. i condemn it. mirzais are pakistanis thru and thru

but the issue of muslim or non muslim was settled in the seventies, when asked what mirzais think of non mirzais they (mirzais) said you are kaffirs

is that takfiri enough for you desert bird!

mirza sahib should have done what guru granth sahib did, not name his cult following as muslims or hindus. both suffered from psychosis as a result of the heat of the punjabi plains

now we wait for the ahmadies to see the right path, and to reject the religion of their forefathers just like the sahaba (of islam) did.

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hi bro/sis
if not being muslim bt living in a muslim country dnt make u an equal citizen then wut wud u say for all those muslims who are living in Europe or America. they r not living in muslim countries so that means they shudnt b given equal rights.
ryt???

(sorry i removed half of ur comment coz i cudnt post all of it, it was making my reply very long)

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What kind of logic is this?

More than the majority of the world believes that Islam is wrong, does this make it right?

I see, so that's how it is.

Who decides who is Muslim and who is not? Your Mullahs? I thought it was Allah SWT who did.

So calling a person who considers themselves Muslim a Kafir is not swearing? I guess you'd be all cool If I'd call you a Kafir?

What about Muslims living in a non-Muslim country? Should it be OK for the non-Muslim government of that country to make certain laws to persecute Muslims? What If they put a ban on preaching about Islam in such countries?

So do you support a ban on Mullahs, because they are pretty much making a joke out of Islam, do you?

They want to be called "Ahmadi", not Mirzais or Qadiyanis. You people just can't stop ridiculing them, can you?

Can you back this up? Please show us when they were asked and when they called non-Ahmadi Muslims Kafir.

People wearing Taweez. and going to Dargahs to pray to graves and make wishes and all that BS are still Muslim, even though they are performing shirk. All your hate preaching, fitna spreading Mullahs are Muslim. All your fornicating, alcohol consuming, rapists, criminals and what not other people who claim to be Muslim are Muslim. No matter how much of a sinner they are. You all are Muslim, but when it comes to Ahmadis claiming that they are Muslims too, they are declared all non-Muslims all of a sudden. What a bunch of hypocrites you people are.

Waiting for the biased mods to delete this post because some "Muslim" members find it offensive.

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those are secular states, not formed on the basis of religion (at least they claim that), while Pakistan is a muslim state (and will remain so, INSHA ALLAH) created by muslims to practice islam, thats a different story how much islam is implemented in Pakistan, it will be done 100% one day INSHA ALLAH. but comparing rights of non-muslims in pakistan with the rights of muslims in secular states is comparing apples with oranges, both are different.

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Ahmed is one of the great names of Muhammad Rasool Allah :saw2:, calling someone Ahmadi who disgraces the Prophet himself, is not good at all… Mirzai or Qadiyani is more suitable for them, you like it or not!

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And they call themselves Ahmadi because they are the followers of the Prophet (PBUH).

Even their leader called himself “Ghulam Ahmad”, The Slave of Ahmad.

People like you who have hatred for humanity and the human life in their hearts are disgracing our Prophet (PBUH) and his teachings. From now on I’ll call people like you Meccans. You know, the people who persecuted our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and his followers. It is more suitable, you like it or not!

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"In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

That's a quote from Quad-e-Azam's speech, and i dont think any one knows the basis of Pakistan more then him.

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[mod] Everyone stay on topic & keep the discussion civil or thread will be closed. Thanks. [/mod]

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ditto!!

even though Pakistan is a Muslim state, the state still does not have the right to declare anyone non-muslim. Also, being a minority does not mean they are less superior comapered to the majority.

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the basic problem is:

Islamic Organizations preach hate against Ahmedia's and then that "khutum naboowat conference/organization" statements are not even worth to post here.