Pakistani Engagements?

I’m a gori and my boyfriend is Pakistani. We have been together for 3 years. His mother has been saying that she plans on “making us engaged” next year and she also said something about mayoun and nikkah taking place next year as well.

I have a question..how long do pakistani engagements typically last? How much time typically passes between the engagement and the other wedding festivities? I have also heard that desi engagement parties are quite large…almost as big as the weddings themselves and are held in a hall…is this true? Please share your experiences. Thanks for your time.

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umm depends on the family really.

some want to have a huge engagement party. while others just want the closest elders around. some engagements can last for a few months, while others can last for about a year or so, depending on the wedding season ofcourse :cb: these days a lot of people like to get a bit overboard and have the engagement party a big function too, but normally it’s held at home. a quietish affair.

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It really depends on the family. My engagement was very small, nothing impressive, and it was for 5 months. I am very happy with how things worked out, honestly speaking sometimes I do have tiny bits of regret that I didnt have a “formal” engagement, but theN I realize that would have delayed the actual wedding itsself, which neither me or my husband wanted to do. So I’m happy things happened quickly :phati:

As for others, alot of other people do have big engagments, in halls, kind of like smaller weddings. It really depends on teh family, each family does something different. Even though our engagement was only 5 months I know of people who were engaged for 5 years!

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It really does depend on the family, social situations, and other external circumstances. The idea is that the groom's side is going to the bride's to formally propose. But obviously these days it's just a way to announce and celebrate the engagement. Depending on financial issues, time before the wedding, etc, some families will have huge engagements, others will have small gatherings with immediate family only. The engagement time is similarly variable depending on situation.

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ok everyone said everything already.
we had a small family affair type of thing at his parents house with just our bridal party and immediate family. my friend had a 200 person engagement party at a hall. so its just personal preference really.
are you going to incorporate any gora elements into your wedding?

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Wow...thanks so much for your fast and kind responses. I've been lurking on gupshup since October, but I've actually been afraid to post anything because I've seen the kind of bad reactions that some people had to interracial relationships and I know that dating is haraam (I am not Muslim, but plan to convert) so I thought I'd get flamed, but you people have been very, very nice, so I'm glad I finally decided to post.

But anyway thanks for answering my questions. I wanted to know because I plan on going to law school next year and with that and wedding preparations going on at the same time, I'm afraid I'm going to be overwhelmed. I want to know what to expect. I would ideally like to get married in May 2008 (after I graduate from college, but before I start law school), but nothing is written in stone yet, as this whole thing is still in very very early pre-planning stages. (His mother just said "next year" which leaves a lot of room for interpretation.) My boyfriend would rather wait indefinitely for the wedding and save money and have a huge engagement party and do everything else in a really lavish way (he even said something about fireworks!), but I'd rather have something nice, but not so huge, but get married sooner (before law school so I can concentrate on that)...lol...I'm sure we'll reach a compromise though.

As for the "gora" elements that is another thing I'm trying to work out. I love, love, love desi food. My family doesn't. I think pakistani clothing is beautiful...when I wear it, it sometimes makes my mom feel weird for some reason. Most of my boyfriend's and my friends are not desi, and I'm afraid of them not liking the music or the food. But I don't want to water down the pakistani ceremony because I know it's important to my boyfriend and his family, and it's important to me too, because I'm totally fascinated with the culture. So what I'm thinking about doing is having another party, which hopefully my family will pay for, where I wear a regular American white wedding dress and he'll wear a tux, and we'll have a band or dj play typical american party music and our friends can be bridesmaids and groomsmen. That way my family can help plan that and they won't feel left out of the whole wedding process. That way it'll be the best of both worlds. His family will be happy and mine will be too and none of us will really have to give anything up. :)

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^ In a gora wedding, there’s the ceremony and a reception which is a few hours later right?

Well in a desi wedding, we have the “baraat” which is the wedding day. What happens then is that the guys family comes to “take” the girl to her new home. This function is traditionally hosted nad paid for by the girls’ side.

The next day, there is another function known as the “valeema.” That is the wedding reception. Traditionally the guys family pays for it.

Instead of having one day strictly Pakistan and one day strictly American, why don’t you combine each day? For example, if you want to wear the white wedding dress, you can get a white lengha/sharara. Plenty of Pakistani/Indian brides wear white. (besies, I think our wedding dresses are just so much more beautiful, so colorful and classy and lovely, than American styles, sorry :D). Also alot of grooms tend to wear suits/tuxedos on the valima, they stick to sherwani/traditional wear for the baraat.

With regards to the food–you can always have a mix of both. Just make sure that its all halal, since most likely the majority of guests from his side will be Muslim and eat halal food only. With music as well–you can always mix it, have American as well as Pakistani/Indian music. A trend in Indian music seems to be fusion music/remixes etc. Do look into that.

What’s left are the “rasams” or certain traditions done during the wedding. The majority of rasams are done from the girls side. For example, for the “doodh pilai” the bride’s sister or close female relative, gives the groom a glass of milk, but he has to pay them first. Normally the groom and his family will resist, so the sister teases him further. It’s quite fun

Best of luck :lifey:

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I'm liking that idea...

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welll.... its a touchy thing, to say the least. i'd say if your parents/family aren't down with the whole process, then if you can, have two parties. i can understand their pov and i'm sure a part of them feels left out with you enthusiastically embracing another culture- while you may not be denouncing theirs, it probably feels that way to them.

im kind of going thru the same thing with my FH- see, the pakistani view i find, is that goras have no culture/traditions. thats not true. there are cultures/traditions associated with goras and gora weddings, like having a bridal party, like having a champagne toast, like the father/daughter dance... they're not important to desis because its not our culture, but if you're marrying someone gora, you gotta keep that in mind, because its important to them and their fam. in our case, because of budget, we compromised and we're having one affair. he is not wearing a sherwani and i am not wearing a white gora dress. his take was if he's supposed to wear a sherwani, than in order to represent both cultures fairly, i should be in a white gown. i had no problem doing that but i know my mom wouldn't be happy about it., so i settled for a traditional lehenga.

just be sensitive to your folks and what they are saying, and you know, go ahead and don't do things entirely desi. i mean, at the end of the day, even if you wear a white lehenga, its still not a dress. and if you're mom's dream was always to see her little girl walk down the aisle with your dad, looking a certain way, well... its not going to be easy for her. maybe you can come up with some sort of compromise- wear the white gown during the nikah ceremony and change into a red lehenga for the reception. my persian aunt did that for her wedding day since persians also wear white gowns. for our ceremony, we're still doing the bridal party thing, and i will walk down with both my parents- so what if its a nikah. the basic question asked (do you?) and the basic answer (i do), are the same. and i dont think any imam would/should have issues with you doing that. theres lots of ways to merge traditions and make both sets of parents happy.

i wouldn't worry so much about the food and the music. what i'm finding with planning my wedding is that you absolutely cannot please everyone. i mean, thats the hard truth. so do food that is a mix of both- we're having chicken cacciatore (which is basically chicken in spicy sauce with lots of veggies, like a saalan) with fresh naan, and we're also having a bbq station with striploin steaks done to each guest's preferences, plus additional vegetarian options etc.

for music- we're having a classical duo for the ceremony (guitar and violin probably), for the reception, we're having a jazz trio for an hour (for our first dance etc.) and then switching to a DJ who will play bhangra and english music.

alcohol is a biggie. since you're converting, chances are, you won't be serving it, right? we were going to compromise by serving it only to our gora guests - a bottle of red/a bottle of white - at each table where they'd be sitting, and pop/non alcoholic champagne for the rest, but it was still causing too much tension. so we dropped it. instead, we're going to have an afterparty in a really swanky club downtown, the weekend after the wedding, where everyone who wants to, can cut loose and celebrate in their own style.

good luck! and don't get stressed out :)
oh, and also, nail a date and book your venue! i dont know about the bronx, but things get booked up FAST in toronto!

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Congrats on ur engagement-well soon to b!:)

I was only engaged for 4 weeks and it was VERY simple. Just at home with immediate family but then we got married 4 weeks later-again civil ceremony in the morning then nikaah at my parents home. My hubs a white convert and he has no family at all. So for all the planning etc, i got my own way in everything. I think he realised how much it meant to me and he didnt mind. 3 months after our nikaah we had our wedding reception so we didnt have long to plan everything. Thing was my wedding reception was in a hotel so for any1 who wanted an alcoholic drink, they cud go to the hotel bar and get one but hub was very strict abt not wanting it at our reception. We also had a beach wedding on the british virgin islands which was a total suprise but my dream. I wasnt too bothered abt the asian function. It was my dream to have a beach wedding and even tho hub and i were married we had a renuwal of marriage vows which was lovely. Hub and i both wore asian clothes for that.
I think its important to keep ur family happy as well and some good ideas have been mentioned on here. Ultimately its ur day and do whateva u feel comfortable with. No1 will eva truly b satisfied-if it isnt for the food its the music etc so just do whateva uve always wanted.Good luck im sure u'll b fine. Congrats again!:D

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We had been unofficially engaged for a while. Then we got officially engaged in August 2003, when my parents did a big party at home with family and close friends, almost 200 people we just couldn't cut out. The wedding was in December of 2004, so almost a year and a half later. Mehndi, Nikkah, and Ruksati all occurred at that time, in Karachi. My parents did another reception for us here, in the DC area in November 2005. And we haven't been back to my husband's hometown since we've been married. When we go this summer we'll have another small reception there, inshAllah! 2.5 years and still celebrating :D

Last year a Pakistani/Muslim/American friend of mine married an Italian/Catholic/American girl. They did two separate weddings pretty much. In early April 2006 they did all of the Pakistani/Muslim functions and went all out. It was great fun. Then, two weeks later, they did all the Italian/Catholic/American functions and went all out.

I think in theory doing a little bit of both and mixing it up at each function is a nice idea. However, weddings are very stressful times, and parents have envisioned this day in a very specific way for their children. It might be hard for them to compromise and may add unnecessary tension if they are also struggling with the cultural and religious issues. The way my friends did it, everyone got to do something the way they wanted, so it helped alleviate some of the stress. You'll have to see what works best for you and your loved ones.

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Sara! OMG…I am who you said I am..what a small world! Not being able to send private messages is getting annoying..I’m going to start posting more!

Everyone thanks so much for sharing your stories…all these ideas are really, really helpful. So far, I think I’m leaning towards wearing Pakistani attire for everything except valeema, where I’ll probably wear a white American style dress (of course I’ll choose a nice tasteful one that won’t make the desi aunties raise their eyebrows.) For nikkah/ruksati/baraat do you have to wear red? Lots of desi brides do, but I’d really love something in the purple family…would that be okay too? One of the best thing about desi gowns is all the color options. :love:

Somegroovychick, I hope you have a wonderful wedding..your situation seems similar to mine…my boyfriend is pretty clueless about American wedding traditions..thankfully my cousin is getting married this year so he’ll get to see what a wedding in my family is like. It’s really nice that you and your fiance are incorporating elements from both cultures. It sounds like it’s going to be a great time. I hope you decide to post pics after the wedding :slight_smile: You already seem like you’re far ahead in the planning process but there’s a nice website that some friends and family found helpful in planning their weddings (theknot.com) (I can’t post links yet because I’m still new but put www in front of it..lol) There isn’t much about desi weddings but there are a few general planning articles that are helpful and budget calculators and stuff, and also if you wanted to learn more about gora traditions, they’re basically all there. I just thought I’d share.

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i've only briefly read the topic of discussin...and as Sahar said.

...all the best!!!

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OMG I KNEW it was you when u first posted haha! This is too freakin weird :hayaa:

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Yes, you can absolutely wear purple. Usually brides wear warm, rich, bright colors, and purple certainly works. You can also do an outfit with nice contrasting colors. I've seen purple paired with red or pink or orange for a wedding look and purple paired with blue or turquoise for a valima look.

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Sara, it's a crazy, crazy world.

Okay, I have another question. I'm sorry if I'm getting annoying with all the questions, but I'm having lots of fun with this and you people seem really nice and I want to get to 25 posts ASAP. What typically happens with the engagement ring? Is that given at the engagement party? Who picks it out, the groom or his family? You know out of all the gora wedding traditions, the one I'll probably miss the most (if it doesn't happen) is a surprise romantic proposal with him getting down on one knee and all that. So far, it's his mom who has been doing all the engagement talk..lol..I feel like she's the one who proposed to me.

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^ Lol awwww… I think you can have hte engagement/proposal…it wont’ be a surprsie though :hehe:

There was this one couple in my college, at the Indian club’s show, the guy got down on one knee and proposed to his girlfriend..supposedly the families had already been involved, so this was just for shw.. it was kinda cute though :lifey:

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You can still tell your fiance you want the surprise proposal and get a ring then (no harm in redoing it at the party for show).

At my engagement party we also got a wedding band for my husband and so we exchanged rings at the party. My parents and I picked out his, his parents and he picked out mine. I did give photos of the types of things I liked, and you can certainly go pick out one you like and let your fiance know.

The engagement ring stuff is all adapted from Western culture and mixed into Pakistani traditions, so it's all pretty flexible. There isn't really a traditional way to do the ring since it's not a Pakistani element.

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hey lady, I LIVE on theknot.com and brides.com
i heart those websites! they are so useful not just for white couples but also desi couples- they have tons of centerpiece pics and reception/ceremony decor ideas etc. also hair/makeup etc. and for a while i was looking to version a white bridal gown into a desi lehenga cos some of the stuff on there is just GORGEOUS.

for white wedding dresses, i dont know if you've even looked yet, but alvinavalenta.com has some gorgeous stuff and so does jimhjelm.com and annebarge.com. to be honest, for a while there, i was REALLY looking forward to wearing a white dress at the ceremony but then plans changed. doh. and then i didnt want to be running around in red/maroon/burgundy/purple etc., outdoors, in august, so i finally settled on champagne and olive green. whew! i do have a pic though of a lovely wedding outfit in dark purple, maroon and burnt orange. sounds weird, but i'll post a pic tomorrow morning when i get to work.

i hope your wedding goes well too! the best thing is, his parents and his family seem to be very open to accepting you. this is a really good start as not all families are as accepting in the beginning! trust me, i've been there. haha

oh and as for the surprise proposal- well, my FH and i had discussed it and we decided that we would get engaged in late '06. around august, i told him i wanted my venue booked because, frankly, i didnt want to wait till he got around to it and everything got taken. so we went ahead and booked our venue, and then we just chillled. at one point, we even had our engagement party date picked out (end december) but still no ring. i was patient, sort of :p and then on our 5th anniversary, i went over to his place after work for dinner, as usual, and he was standing there all scrubbed up, shiny and smelling good, with flowers, a catered dinner and the ring! it was a total surprise even tho i had been expecting it. and for some reason, despite it being our anniverasry, i just didnt clue in that it would happen that day. :p so HOW/WHEN a proposal is done is also part of the surprise, even if you know its coming.

its good your FH will get to see a gora wedding- it will go a long way in explaining traditions to him and i hope you can successfully incorporate some stuff into your big days.

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people here have said it all so i wont say anything further - but do post your wedding/ engagement pictures if you can :P i am out of my mind yes