so u willpick and choose only those record which matter.
If u rlooking for anything more than 34 then only Wasim,Waqar,Imran and javed miandad qualify and u decalred all of them great!!!
No, a person who has captained in more matches and has a slightly less win% than a person who has captained only half the amount of matches.
The person who has captained in more matches should get more credit.
Thats like saying, Shoaib Akhtar averaged more than Tendulkar in WC eventhough he played 2 or 3 innings, while Tendulkar played 6 or 7 magnificant innings but still behind Shoaib in avg, does that mean Shoaib was a better batsman than Tendulkar in the WC?
And please if you don’t have anything positive to contribute in this thread than don’t respond.
Thank You.
after Imran, Wasim and Malik were fine captains technique wise. Both had issues such as man management and the little matter of fixing matches and selling out their countries for some paper.
But overall they were very good captains especially Akram. I never saw him lose the plot on the field as captain (unless he wanted to). His bowling changes were always spot on. Someone commented in the other thread that Wicki ruined the Razzler. Wicki also helped destroy Saqi's confidence. Wasim on other hand was responsible for introducing and nurturing both of these outstanding talents.
Saleem Maliks average shot up when he was the captain too ;) I remember one of his best innings in Rawalpindi against Australia, 237 and saved the match :) The batting used to be very solid in his tenure
I suppose one can also concure the achievements too.
Imran Khan won a World Cup.
Wasim Akram got to a World Cup Final.
You also should see when a captain has his term, was there any poltics, the age of the players, the status of the team when he was deemed captain, important matches won (eg, winning group games but loseing finals), how did the captain's form go, etc..
I wouldn't declare Waqar as a great captain. Infact he would go somewhere down on my list. Everyone saw all the blunders he did when as captain, and now we are aware of what the outcome came to be.
While we're on the subject of captaincy, it's worth pointing out that Kaneria was replaced for yesterday's match by a seamer despite bowling well. I was wondering why first of all but then I noticed that the Sri Lankan batting line up is almost entirely left-handed so might have proved awkward to bowl too many spinners. Don't know if that's why Hassan replaced him, but it worked out a treat. The thinking and selection seems light years ahead of what we saw in the WC. Probably down to Javed I reckon.
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While we're on the subject of captaincy, it's worth pointing out that Kaneria was replaced for yesterday's match by a seamer despite bowling well. I was wondering why first of all but then I noticed that the Sri Lankan batting line up is almost entirely left-handed so might have proved awkward to bowl too many spinners. Don't know if that's why Hassan replaced him, but it worked out a treat. The thinking and selection seems light years ahead of what we saw in the WC. Probably down to Javed I reckon.
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there were two reasons for Naveed's inclusion as pointed out by Rameez and Rashid seperately. Number one as you mentioned the amount of lefthanders Lankans has and Rashid mentioned that reason in the post match presentation. Other one and more far-sighted one is that Razzaq probably wont go to Sri lanka with Pakistan team in May coz of his personal and maybe county reasons and management want to give Naveed a proper run as the replaicng all rounder for that series.
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after Imran, Wasim and Malik were fine captains technique wise. Both had issues such as man management and the little matter of fixing matches and selling out their countries for some paper.
But overall they were very good captains especially Akram. I never saw him lose the plot on the field as captain (unless he wanted to). His bowling changes were always spot on. Someone commented in the other thread that Wicki ruined the Razzler. Wicki also helped destroy Saqi's confidence. Wasim on other hand was responsible for introducing and nurturing both of these outstanding talents.
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Not forget the fact the Wasim was the one almost ending Waqar's career.
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Not forget the fact the Wasim was the one almost ending Waqar's career.
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true. as I said, Akram and Malik did do a lot of damage as well as captains. the handling of Waqar is one such example.
But I do think that Waqar was a victim of his own past standards. People don't compare Waqar to Shoaib or Sami or even Wasim, they compare him to the Waqar of yore. And they obviously get disappointed. Either way Waqar was robbed of some years of good cricket by Wasim.
Definitley.
People talk of Wasim reaching 500 wicket big such a big achievement, imagine had Waqar played continiously like Wasim, he had already reached 500 mark long time ago.
and then Waqar 
, closely followed by Wasim 