Pakistani Arab and Kashmiri wannabes

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wunderkind should be banned on charges of stupidity.

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@AnGeL EyEs

it would be nice if people would just focus on being proud of being Muslim and become more united with the brotherhood/sisterhood rather then further causing a drift between each other! and over what! culture? Where your from isnt gonna help u in anyway in the hereafter.....you guys should really be ashamed of yourselves!!

All these "hereafter" speeches get kinda boring. Muslims need to focus on thier 'here-and-now' and improve their lot. Muslims needs to embrace the culture that values education, encourages action to improve their lot and fosters belief in their ability to effect a change.

Everything else is a private/personal matter.

[Munni]

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[Khumar]

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@ikarhoon

WOW, and you wonder why punjabies have usch bad images in areas other than Punjab?!??!?! Alot of these people who cliam to be arent even Kashmiri's. Its true to an extenet that after partition people from that Kashmiris from the JAMMU area moved into Pakistan (settlign in mainly Sialkot), but tthere were very few. And most these so called 'Kashmir's' in punjab arent even really Kashmiris but rather full blooded punjabies who just to want to identify themselves as Kashmiris. and how dare you call US 'lazy a$$e$"?!?!?!?!? shame on you

my great grandpa moved from kashmir to punjab...PRE partition. heck my nana and nani were married years before the partition. my whole nana's family lived in this village in punjab, from where you could see the hills of kashmir (and they were, and are very proud of that fact). We still call ourselves kashmiri. We might happen to speak punjabi, but we look kashmiri, we act kashmiri. We are still not like the other punjabis even though i'm the third generation. I still have family (extended) in kashmir (no not azad kashmir, as i am aware that some people even call those people non-kashmiri). It might be a different story if after what is happening over there they might have moved to India. oh btw...not talking about Jammu.

I just resent the fact that some people like to call others not kashmiri because of some pseudo-reasons, that have no back up.

Oh, and hooka is sheesha. Same diff. One is just modernized. Get over it.

Oh also, stop posting pics of people and kids who look caucasized. Not all of em are blondies with hazel eyes. Such pictures just negate the point you are trying to make, that being pakistani is better and that we should be proud of being non-caucazied...blah blah.

[Dubaiwali]

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i dont pretend to like arabic music i really do like arabic music

[wunderkind]

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@Khumar

my great grandpa moved from kashmir to punjab...PRE partition. heck my nana and nani were married years before the partition. my whole nana's family lived in this village in punjab, from where you could see the hills of kashmir (and they were, and are very proud of that fact). We still call ourselves kashmiri. We might happen to speak punjabi, but we look kashmiri, we act kashmiri. We are still not like the other punjabis even though i'm the third generation. I still have family (extended) in kashmir (no not azad kashmir, as i am aware that some people even call those people non-kashmiri). It might be a different story if after what is happening over there they might have moved to India. oh btw...not talking about Jammu.

I just resent the fact that some people like to call others not kashmiri because of some pseudo-reasons, that have no back up. .

You people have moved to Pakistan and I don't see you ever moving back to Kashmir. For all practical purposes, you are Pakistanis and your loyalty is with Pakistan, not with Kashmir.

You cannot be loyal to Pakistan and also have Kashmir's best interests at heart: the two are mutually exclusive.

[wunderkind]

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There's nothing wrong with appreciating another culture (e.g. smoking shisha and enjoying that culture's music).

But often it can be done in a wannabe spirit; given the fact that Pakistanis are given inhumane treatment by the Arabs in the Gulf, I find it surprising that they would want to imitate their culture.

[wunderkind]

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@ikarhoon

And this raises another issue, why is that Northern Kashmir is called Northern Areas? I mean why refer to our area as a geographical location, and not by its true name? Are we not worthy enough to have our true name anointed to us, but rather have this 'valayti' name given to us? I mean Azad Kashmir gets to call themslevs kashmir(even though most of peopel in azad kashmir arent even dards), but why is Northern Kashmir called northern areas? Why is that Kashmir has been played around liek a little toy ?

They don't consider Northern Areas to be a part of Kashmir. In fact, they don't support Kashmiri independence. They've used the people of Kashmir for the last 16 years for their own selfish ends.

[wunderkind]

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@AnGeL EyEs

it would be nice if people would just focus on being proud of being Muslim and become more united with the brotherhood/sisterhood rather then further causing a drift between each other! and over what! culture? Where your from isnt gonna help u in anyway in the hereafter.....you guys should really be ashamed of yourselves!!

Perhaps not selling the Taliban to the Americans for a few billion dollars in aid might be a good place to start with.

[Tashiqa]

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As if Sunni Shia issue was not enough, we now fight over who is better -Kashmiri or Punjabi? I mean seriously, its like what can we think of next to put down. If it isn't religion, its prejudice over race, if not that over cultures. This is so stupid.
Oh and btw, I appreciate all cultures, rathar I appreciate the differences, and like to hear Arabic music cos I speak and understand the language. So what's wrong with that?

[ibrar1971]

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salam.
Gori wife here, hmmmm....if I bought into the theory of cooking food, listening to music, wearing clothes etc means you actually are pretending or wanting to be from that culture...gee I must need therapy badly...LOL...hahahaha!

Or ...perhaps i suffer from a'multi personality disorder?...lol

I am a gori...English mother, Scottish father...am married to a Pakistani, ...love to cook: English, Pakistani, Italian, Chinese, American (that personality just ducked for cover!) Jordanian & Syrian.

I wear clothes from the U.K., France, Kuwait, Jordan & Pakistan...(some labels also have made in China, Poland, etc....

I enjoy music from Germany, U.K. South Africa and so on... (nasheeds in Arabic and English language....)
I am a practising muslim....

Wow...who am I?????

You'd think it must be very confusing being me I guess!

:-D But...Alhamdulillah it is not! I am me, and I love humanity, I am not racist or bigoted ...I sincerely thank Allah S.W.A for the blessings he has bestowed upon me...oh yeah! I also eat bananas from the Carribbean!

Please do not think that admiring a community, or stating a connection to a community means the person is fake or unhappy with who they are. There is a kind of 'non-sense' in that kind of speculation. I once met an American lady who was convinced that everyone wants to be/live in America(n)! Nothing I could say...not even the incredulous look of disbelief on my face could convince her otherwise....

Alhamdulillah for who we are...Allah assigned our 'ethnicity' to us...not for division but rather so that we come to know and respect that we have differences and can still communicate and co-operate.

Allah also never granted any ethnicity status over another...man did that which makes it arrogant and artificial.

[ibrar1971]

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oh...one more thing the Sahabah were a mix of 'ethnicities'....the khalifate is one...to govern ALL muslims...and muslims come from the world over.

If we cling to our 'ethnicity' as though it is a sacred and elevated prize...how do we then value being a muslim and other muslims equally and before other things?

Which country would the Khalifate have to come from? Why are there comments such as "warning we do not want opinions from Arabic scholars or others...?"

What does that show us, that hate is prevalent within the Ummah. And whilst that is so, how can we truly call our fellow muslim brother or sister?

[ibrar1971]

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Isn't the original post perhaps rather contemptuous?

Or am I misunderstanding due to a 'culture clash?'

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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ibrar1971…

:k: to all 3 of ur posts

[ikarhoon]

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@AnGeL EyEs

it would be nice if people would just focus on being proud of being Muslim and become more united with the brotherhood/sisterhood rather then further causing a drift between each other! and over what! culture? Where your from isnt gonna help u in anyway in the hereafter.....you guys should really be ashamed of yourselves!!

Yes we are muslims, but before muslims we were Kashmiri. I dont liek this Pak mentality where the think that there culture only started when they became muslims and before that they were a bunch of barbarians!?!?!?!
Kashmiri culture extends far before Islam came to our area, and you know what, Im damn proud of all our pre-Islamic culture too! Either way, Kashmir has always had a VERY liberal approach to Islam anyways. Women have ALWAYS enjoyed equal rights as men in Kashmir. You'll never find a Kashmiri women in burka, EVER!

and Khumar, by the sound of it, it seems your loyalties are more towards punjab then Kashmir :/

[ikarhoon]

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@Tashiqa

As if Sunni Shia issue was not enough

In Kashmir sunni's and shia's live together VERY peacefully. The Wakahans are almost all Ismaili shia's, but we live together with them very peacefully, and regard Wakahans as our brothers!

[ikarhoon]

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@Khumar

I just resent the fact that some people like to call others not kashmiri because of some pseudo-reasons, that have no back up.

I think the situation is quiete the opposite of that, there are people who CLAIm to be Kashmiri because of pseudo-reasons(ex: My uncles wife's grandfathers third cousin was a Kashmiri, so Im a Kashmiri)
A Kashmiri is simply anyone who can claim DIRECT dardic lineage.

[Khumar]

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@wunderkind

You people have moved to Pakistan and I don't see you ever moving back to Kashmir. For all practical purposes, you are Pakistanis and your loyalty is with Pakistan, not with Kashmir.

You cannot be loyal to Pakistan and also have Kashmir's best interests at heart: the two are mutually exclusive.

hmm so i guess my opinion of kashmir being independant (and i mean the conglomorated jammu and kashmir with the other tiny areas all jumbled into one) does not matter because i happen to be born and raised in pakistan. oh well. like your opinion changes the fact over how i feel about myself and my backgroud. i am a pakistani, and i am very much proud to be a pakistani. at the same time, i am very very proud of my background, and my ethnicity.

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I think the situation is quiete the opposite of that, there are people who CLAIm to be Kashmiri because of pseudo-reasons(ex: My uncles wife's grandfathers third cousin was a Kashmiri, so Im a Kashmiri)
A Kashmiri is simply anyone who can claim DIRECT dardic lineage.
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i get that. and maybe i am just being a dumb blond, but what defines direct lineage?

[Iconoclast]

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ikrahon and this wunderkid i feel r two stinky south indians.

I am from Gujranwala and we have lot of Kashmiris there, Butts, Lons and Khawajas. They are everybit as Pujabis and Pakistanis as anyone can be.

Just look at the earth quake and see how rest of the Pakistan, of whatever ethnic background, helped the Kashmiris.

[Khumar]

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thank you iconoclast for addressing the point that the butts and sheikhs and khawajas are also kashmiris. but perhaps we aren't according to the definition that they have in their dictionary.