Pakistani Americans in the Land of Nine Eleven

I remember last year ordinary people who had relied on media mostly, asking me if I was from Afghanistan or If I spoke Pushto or Farsi or even Arabic. Some sounded serious and some said casually or out of curiosity. While others were just joking and wanted to see how I would react. Some ignorant ones didnt know the geographic difference b/w Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I would be interested to know if any one else went thru similar experiences or still does. Ive known some Pakistan Americans who were singledout and were scrutinized more than usual at airports while travelling. Even though they were born here or were naturalized citizens, but obviously looked Middle Eastern from their appearance.

**In the land of 9/11 **

Most Pakistani Americans live under the shadow of a constant fear. Something happens somewhere and parents stop their children from going to school, husbands take leave from their jobs, mothers avoid going for shopping. Their worst fear is that if something goes wrong next time, the latent anger might gush out in vengeance

FBI swat teams, laced with latest weaponry and assisted by members of hazardous materials section in moon suits, break into the house of a Pakistani family in Pennsylvania. The FBI sleuths are acting on a tip-off by neighbours that they had seen ‘suspicious looking’ Muslims carrying a silver-coloured canister possibly containing nerve agents. They also reported a woman dumping ‘a cloudy liquid’ in the backyard. The agents not only break the doors down, they smash furniture and keep a female member of the family at gunpoint for two hours.

It later turns out that the suspicious canister is actually a Pakistani pot (degcha) the family had borrowed from friends for cooking biryani. And the liquid? It is laundry water impersonating as anthrax!

This is not a scene from a comical version of a Hollywood thriller. It is a recap of a traumatic experience that a Pakistani went through in Pennsylvania last year. Another tragic twist to the story came when the head of the family lost his job because of the incident. The family has still not recovered from the shock and complains the whole town eyes them with suspicion.

This is the kind of story that you frequently hear in the Pakistani circles in the land of Nine Eleven. They all have a story to tell and each one adds to this Pakistani myth of a mini-holocaust.

Some Pakistani gets dropped off a plane, train or bus just because a fellow passenger did not ‘feel comfortable’. Others get sneered at while eating out with their family. There have been incidents when a mobster shot a Pakistani working at a gas station without any provocation; a passenger refused to sit in a taxi driven by a Pakistani; a WASP seeing a brown face in the next car waiting at a traffic signal, rolled his window down, and shouted, “Why don’t you .go back to your own country.” All this in a country that has traditionally taken pride in being a nation of immigrants.

Now, to be fair, this is not the story of every town in America. In a country of that size there are places where people may not even care if you are a Pakistani, Arab or Muslim. In other instances people may actually go out of the way to help you and assure you that you had no reason to worry.

But, at the same time, instances like the ones mentioned above have also become a reality in the land once known for its racial equality, tolerance and fairness among various communities. History has definitely been divided into two parts, pre and post 9/11, affecting all and sundry particularly in the United States. Pakistanis living in America are among the communities worst affected by that Much more than Arabs and other Muslims.

The Washington Post confirmed last year that the biggest group of suspects apprehended by US agencies like the FBI was of Pakistanis, followed by Egyptians and Saudis. Thousands of Pakistanis have been picked up, probed, even tortured in the aftermath of September 11. They are particularly ‘profiled’ at American airports. It’s quite insulting when the green passport holders standing in passenger queues are asked to step aside for special treatment. The usual drill may go beyond body search and baggage checks. Even Pakistan Cabinet members, visiting Washington as part of the presidential entourage on the special invitation of President Bush, were not spared last year. Sniff dogs were unleashed on Commerce Minister Razzaq Dawood and Rashid Qureshi. They had to remove their shoes to prove that they were not carrying explosives in their heels.

Yaqoob Butt, a Pakistani, died in FBI custody last year. He was picked up on the charge of overstaying his visa and had requested that he be deported. But it was not so simple. He was grilled for days and weeks as to where he stayed, who helped him live in America, where he worked, etc. The poor man, a heart patient, could not take the strain and died. Nobody could learn about his predicament as he waived his rights that required officials to inform Pakistani embassy about his arrest. Most Pakistanis do that to avoid ‘infamy’.

According to rough estimates, there are at least 50,000 Pakistanis, particularly in New York, who face a similar dilemma. Most of them are illegal because they overstayed their visas. They cannot work because the authorities have become strict, particularly in the trades that most Pakistanis are involved in. These include pizza delivery, working at gas stations or departmental stores, taxi driving etc. But they cannot go back to Pakistan either. The journey back home could entail long grilling, intense probes, even imprisonment.

The question that piques Pakistanis is: Why us? Most Pakistanis think that their government is the frontline state in the so-called ‘campaign against terrorism’. They also take the official rhetoric about Pakistan being a close American ally seriously.

One reason why Pakistanis are particularly targeted is that there are more Pakistanis living illegally in the United States than, let’s say, richer Arabs. A majority of Pakistanis interrogated by the US authorities were those living illegally. Another reason is the stereotype about the Pakistanis being ‘religious extremists’ that is constantly shown by the Western media. Finally, to be honest, it’s not just about Pakistan’s image. We definitely have a problem of internationalism terrorism, whatever its causes. Our proximity with Afghanistan, the linkages with international jehadi organisations and the daily incidents of bomb explosions provide justified grounds for the US security agencies to view us suspiciously.

Problem is that in 999 cases out of 1000, it’s the wrong guy who suffers. Most Pakistani Americans live under the shadow of a constant fear. Something happens somewhere and parents stop their children from going to school, husbands take leave from their jobs, mothers avoid going for shopping and fathers stop going to mosques for saying their prayers. Their worst fear is that if something goes wrong next time, the latent anger that Americans are accustomed to keep at bay, might gush out in vengeance. And given the American ambitions in Iraq and the daily media shots about killings in Afghanistan and Palestine, this cannot be ruled out for all time to come.

Considering how fewer instances like these happened that were directed towards Pakistanis is a sign of how tolerant the American society is. Imagine, if a stuff of this magnitude had occurred in Pakistan where the perps were white. In any event, here’s today’s news from CNN (CNN.com - Sicily police hold terror suspects - September 12, 2002) 15 Pakistanis arrested in Italy.

CALTANISSETTA, Italy (CNN) – Italian authorities, with the help of U.S. investigators, arrested 15 Pakistani nationals in central Sicily with suspected ties to Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda terrorist network, officials announced on Thursday.
The men were arrested on Saturday after they had been detained for nearly a month, Caltanissetta Chief of Police Santi Giuffre said at a news conference.
They will appear before a magistrate in Sicily’s southern port city of Gela to face charges of terrorism and false documentation, Giuffre said.
Giuffre said the men were “highly likely” to be part of the al Qaeda network, but “were not getting ready to commit a terror act in the national territory (Italy).”
Joe Pizzino, a special agent with the U.S. Naval Criminal Investigative Service said his unit is working jointly with the Italian authorities on the case.
He would not elaborate on the identities of the suspects in custody.
The 15 Pakistanis were aboard a cargo vessel on August 9, which was headed from Casablanca, Morocco, to Libya when it strayed into Italian waters, Giuffre said.
Italian secret service agents spotted the ship and alerted the police and the Coast Guard that terrorists could be on board the boat, Giuffre said.
Italy’s Coast Guard and police boarded the ship and found four of the men had false passports and the others had suspicious documents, the police chief said.
The authorities anchored the boat in Gela, which was carrying nearly 80 tons of lead and iron to Libya.
Eight Romanians who were on board the boat told authorities they did not want to continue to Libya. They also said the Pakistanis engaged in “ambiguous” activities during the journey, Giuffre said, although he would not elaborate.
In addition to the false passports, Giuffre said the Pakistanis had documents with alpha-numeric codes and other strange notes.
The cargo vessel, which has changed names five times over the past two years, is owned by the Romanian government with a flagship in the Pacific island nation of Tonga.
Investigators are searching the boat, which remains anchored at Gela.

**No admission **

By Arifa Noor

A large number of students have been affected by the stringent visa policies adopted by western countries, particularly the United States, to deal with the ‘terrorist threat’

Amir got admission to Carnegie Mellon for Fall 2002. He applied for an American visa in July this year. He was called for an interview and on the same day was told that his application had been successful and that he would be given the visa once the intelligence/security check was completed. Later, the embassy contacted him to say that the scrutiny process (scrutiny process) might take longer as the United States government had changed its policy.

It has been over two months since he applied for the visa and there is still no news.

The academic term at Carnegie Mellon has already started and it is not possible for him to defer admission. “The term started two weeks ago and even if I am given the visa soon, by the time I would get there, at least three weeks will have passed,” he says. “The course is a tough one, and it will be difficult for me to hold my own.” Amir has no choice but to waste a year and reapply for next year.

Amir’s story is a familiar one. Everyone, everywhere has heard of some or the other who got admission in the United States and made extensive plans to take off for the land of opportunities in the month of August by the latest. But the plans were unravelled, the bookings cancelled and universities informed of a possible delay in arrival as the visa never arrived. As the suspicions that the visa may not arrive in time became a concrete reality, disappointed students explored other options. The plans of many went awry. And not just students.

A Lahore-based university with a rapidly expanding undergraduate programme has a strength of over 300 students in its first year. But they admit a larger number, taking into account the fact that many of those admitted will take off for the West. This year the numbers went haywire – they ended up with 400 freshies for a large number of students were not able to get their visas and ended up at their first choice within Pakistan. This incident in itself indicates the large number of students affected by the stringent visa policies adopted by western countries, particularly the United States, to deal with the ‘terrorist threat’.

Officially, the American embassy has not changed its policy. They state that the rules have not changed but the process is taking far longer because of the stringent security checks that have to be carried out. Through press releases, they warn all travellers to the United States, including the students, to apply early as the procedure might take up to one month.

Officials working for the American consulate admit that delays are taking place but point out that this is only due to the longer time period required for the security and back ground check. “All the people, including the students need to apply well in advance. If young people apply only a couple of weeks before the term is to start, it is inevitable that they will not be able to get the visa in time,” says an official working for the American consulate.

This view is supported by some school administrations. “If students have not been able to get their visas, it is only because of their tardiness,” says the staff member of the administration of a large boys school in Lahore.

But it seems rather simplistic to suggest that the problems students are facing in getting their visa are due to the lengthy security checks. A problem that could have been avoided if the students had applied early enough. The embassy warns travellers to apply “as early as possible” but what does this mean exactly? Students applied over two months ago and are still waiting to hear from the embassy. One student, who is waiting to hear from the American embassy, contacted people at the American Express (the courier service through which applications are forwarded to the American embassy) was told that “all visas have been on hold since July 22”.

Adnan, a resident of Karachi and a graduate of LUMS, got admission to Carnegie Mellon to the Human-Computer Interaction programme. He applied for a visa on June 27 and was informed on July 2 that he would get a visa on August 2 after the security check had been performed. It has been over a month since August 2 passed, there is no news of his visa. He too is now making plans to defer his admission. “I am trying to see if I can get a job on campus and change my status to that of a part time student as part-time students can start in January. If that is not possible, then I will have to go next fall.” He will now also be looking for a suitable job in Pakistan.

Desperate, students are willing to explore any avenue that might result in a visa. Adnan asked his alma mater, LUMS for help. The institution, he says, put him in touch with Sheldon Rappaport, the consul general in Lahore. “Though he was unable to help me, it was still a great relief to be able to talk to someone who could explain why the delays were taking place.” According to Adnan, Rappaport has been doing his best to help students. "He told me that if he personally knew students and their families or felt that if they were unable to get a visa, it would effect their life drastically, he did put in a word for them. Hence, he did more to help students that were going to the US for their undergraduate degrees rather than graduates going for masters degrees. For graduates can get a job for a year and their year will not go to waste entirely, " adds Adnan.

His statement is lent credence by a story in The News that appeared on Wednesday September 4. It reported that Rappoport “issued letters recommending the early issuance of visas to three outstanding Aitchison College students who had succeeded in getting admission to top American universities but were not being issued visas by the embassy.”

It is just not the students with admission to American universities that are facing such problems. The situation with Great Britain is no better. Mariam works for a law firm in Karachi and has a place at School of Oriental and African Studies for a masters degree in law. She was unable to apply for a visa till end August as the British embassy was closed earlier. She is still waiting to hear from the embassy but has little time as the academic term in England starts in the first week of October. “I can still make it if the visa comes through soon. If it doesn’t then I will have to delay everything till next year,” she says.

She is among the lucky ones as she already holds a job and can continue working if the visa does not materialise. For those who had no contingency plans, like Amir, a year’s delay is a year wasted, with no guarantee than it will all work out the next year.

As Adnan points out, “There is definitely a need to ensure that no more hijackers are allowed into the US. But I am sure there are smarter, more efficient and quicker ways of doing it.” Ways that will not turn upside down the plans and worlds of many young people.

(Names have been changed to protect identities).

Pakistani passport had become associated with drug smuggling and terrorism in the middle eastern muslim countries long before it became suspect in canada and america. That is a fact. Afghanistan produced the poppy, pakistani chemists processed it and it largely flowed through Karachi. Isn't one of the charges against Zardari about drug smuggling. ISI has been reputed to be involved in drug smuggling to make up some of the hard cash it need to do its job. So yes look at the columns and letters written in Dawn and Jang over the last few years, and there is plenty of write ups how the Green Passport is suspect at various Airports around the world. Canada and USA are only the most recent additions, and now terrorism has been added to the list of drug, people, arms smuggling among other things. Sad! Sad! but unfortunately true.

I applied for a student visa too, and in 2 weeks I got the interview date, gave the interview and got the visa, but they told me to wait for 30 days as there was a new law that they had to do some investigation or something. I had nothing to worry about, since I knew I had nothing to worry about... They also gave me a letter which stated that I was to collect my passport with the visa in exactly 30 days, or I could ask the courier to send it to me... No major hassle at all...

I would also like to comment on the lahore university students... This university admitted students on the promise that they would be sent to the US, in a university, and based on last years experience, alot of students that went there failed, and most of them ended up working illegally in the US... This explains why the embassy refused giving visas to students from this university... I believe its called the "University of Lahore"...

It's not just Pakistani though.

My good friend here is a Muslim from India. He came here a few yers back. Now his brother got admission in a US university. But his Visa was rejected twice. He is a Muslim who had travelled to Dubai, so apparently it is suspect.

It's a damn shame really. :(

**Salman Hamdani - Pak-American hero of WTC **

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Salman Hamdani

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Talat Hamdani at Salman’s funeral at a New York mosque.

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Relatives and friends at Salman’s funeral in New York City.

**Salman Hamdani **
Pakistani-American

At 23 years old, Salman Hamdani was the kind of man who would rush to the scene of an emergency to help people. His family believes that is exactly what he did on the morning of September 11, when en route to work in Manhattan he changed course and headed for the World Trade Center.

After Salman’s disappearance, his family assumed that he must have died in the terrorist attacks, for they could come up with no other explanation. Salman, a trained emergency medical technician, almost certainly saw the burning towers from his train and diverted his route to the World Trade Center. “Everyone who knew him thought that was exactly what he would have done, that he would immediately have wanted to help,” said Joseph Nekola, a senior director at Rockefeller University, where he worked as a lab technician.

Cited By Congress
By October it was all but certain that Salman had died at the scene of the terrorist attacks, and his heroism was recognized in the “USA Patriot Act” of 2001, congressional legislation on intercepting and obstructing acts of terrorism. One section of the act reads: “Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.”

Talat Hamdani and her husband, Saleem, received confirmation of their son’s death March 20, 2002, nearly seven months after his disappearance. Two police officers arrived to deliver the news that Salman’s remains had been found in the rubble of the World Trade Center. “We knew he would be there,” Talat said. “That’s him — he would have gone there as soon as he saw people needed help.”

Several hundred mourners attended the funeral service held at a Manhattan mosque that Salman attended. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg praised Salman’s heroism, saying, “We have an example of how one can make the world better. Salman stood up when most people would have gone in the other direction.” New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly added, “He was determined to make a diffference, and he did. He was indeed a hero.”

A True Bhaijan

The eldest of three boys, Salman was known to his brothers and extended family as “bhaijan,” or “big brother.” For as long as they can remember, he wanted to be a doctor. While studying in London during college, Salman was walking through the streets when he saw a homeless woman sitting on the ground with blood on her face. He spoke with her, tended to her bloody nose, and gave her some money, his mother said. In college, Salman completed training as an emergency medical technician.

Salman, who came to the United States when he was one year old, was a fun-loving boy who loved the Star Wars films, and who chose his football jersey number, 79, to match the address of his father’s candy store. He graduated from Queens College in June 2001 and started his new job as a laboratory technician in July.

“You went down there to help rescue fellow Americans from the terrorist attack on the American soil,” Talat Hamdani said, addressing her fallen son. “You did not go down to help because of their religion, ethnicity or nationality. You went to defend your nation.”

Talat is particularly proud of Salman’s mention in the Patriot Act, which Congress passed October 23. “Salman went down in U.S. history,” she said. “The nation honored him. My son did not die for nothing.”

— By Laura J. Brown

More from The News Special Report

**Homecoming **

Many Pakistanis have had their American dreams shattered when they were laid off from their jobs in the United States. But those working in the US believe the increased numbers have little to do with the bias against Pakistanis after September 11

By Adnan Mahmood

Rehan knew nothing would ever be the same the day the twin towers fell. “As I saw the burning towers from my office building seven blocks from the WTC, my future in the US had never seemed more uncertain.” Contrary to his fears, Rehan’s immediate future remained unchanged but the problems surfaced about a year later. Rehan has just returned to Pakistan after having worked for almost two years with one of the leading consultation firms in New York.

“My Optional Professional Training (OPT) status stood revoked at the end of June. I was supposed to return to my country of origin to get an H-1 status. The embassy situation in Pakistan was uncertain so I thought of an alternative and got my H-1 status from the UK. I returned to New York and rejoined my company. Two months later my company received a letter from the Immigration and Naturalisation Services (INS) informing them that my papers were not in order and that I was to be deported.”

Rehan’s situation is partly his own doing but he insists this sort of a short cut has been used since a long time. “It is only now that the immigration authorities have become extremely strict,” he says.

Many others who were even more careful than Rehan have had their American dreams shattered. It’s been two months since Sameer was promoted in his company, another consultancy firm. And it has been one month since he was fired. “They were just looking for opportunities to fire me and it wasn’t because of my performance as I had just received a promotion,” he says. “The reason they gave me was that I had over-charged a claim by $100. I mean who are they kidding?” Sameer has fortunately found another job and is still in New York, but many others have not had the same luck.

Waseem Hassan worked for the Bank of America in Washington and did quite well with distinction. Right after 9/11, he was informed that the Bank was willing to keep him but was not ready to vouch for his visa status.

**Since 9/11 Pakistanis working in the US are facing two sets of problems. One is the large scale lay-offs since and before the dreaded day due to the economic recession in the US. And the second is the employers’ unwillingness to vouch for their employees’ visa status. **

As far as lay-offs go, many working in the US believe the increased numbers have little to do with the bias against Pakistanis after September 11. “The economy wasn’t doing well even before 9/11. That event and then the frauds surfacing recently were sure to result in large scale lay-offs, and it was only but natural for numerous Pakistanis to suffer due to that. The point is that it wasn’t a thought-out scheme against Pakistani or Muslim workers for that matter,” says Imran Nadir, who had been working in New York city for Chase, a bank. “I believe the problem is not that the Americans don’t want to hire Pakistanis anymore. They are just laying off people and many Pakistanis are using this situation as a God-sent opportunity to save face. A friend of mine, for example, lost his job a month before September last year, and was looking for another without having told any one back home that he was unemployed. Once 9/11 happened he had no trouble calling home to tell his family he had been fired because of the ‘American bias’.”

Khalid Rehman, a graduate from Cornell University, who chose to return to Pakistan, believes that anyone who is a valuable commodity in the US market gets or stays hired, whatever the situation. “The Americans are wise people. They won’t let any bias come in their way when they stand to gain anything from anyone. All those people who don’t get a job or are fired are not indispensable for their employers and are thus easy to lay off.”

This might be true if the second factor of the visa status is not considered. All the alleged WTC attackers were in the US on valid visas, making the authorities even more careful of their visa policy. As a result the hassle involved for each company to arrange an H-1 status for its employees is far too much. **“Imagine a company that has a number of equally good candidates to choose from for a vacancy, as is the case now following the recession in the market, and one of them is a Pakistani. The choice really isn’t that difficult. Why should the company go through the lengthy and somewhat risky process of vouching for a Pakistani, when it can easily hire a local?” ** Imran Nadir tells TNS.

Waseem agrees. “I was doing well and my bank had no problem keeping me on. The only issue was that of my visa status. It was too huge an issue for the bank to get into.”

Once a person is fired from a company he stays on its pay-roll for three months. His H-1 status is valid for another three months after that. That gives a fired employee a window of six moths in which to find another job, and if he doesn’t find one within this period, he has to leave the US. Interestingly the job he can look for should be of the same description for which he got his H-1. That means if a banker is laid off, he cannot get a new job as a tax consultant, but only as a banker with some other bank.

Many Pakistanis who get fired or are laid off do not care for this legal formality. “I know a person here who was working as an insurance analyst, but then he was laid off and is now working as a taxi driver until he finds a job in his own field. This is illegal but many people risk it because they simply do not want to come back,” Sameer writes to TNS from New York.

Others are different. Coming back was really simple for Waseem. “The choice was easy. On the one hand, I had months of unemployment in an alien country and on the other I had months of unemployment in my own country. I think the choice was obvious.” Waseem is now in Pakistan and is still looking for a job. “Searching for a job is not easy in Pakistan as there are no proper methods of getting a job here. You have to know people in the right places to be able to get anywhere. Maybe that’s why many people choose not to come back along with the fact that there is a huge difference in pay-scales between similar jobs in the two countries.”

People have different personal reasons for whatever decision they take, but most may not even have the luxury of making a choice. According to a conservative estimate, there are about 3000 Pakistanis in the process of being deported from the US. So whether directly or indirectly, and whether they like it or not, many Pakistanis working in the US would either have to return to Pakistan or would have to settle for less prestigious and less well-paying jobs. What they make of this situation will largely depend on each individual, but there surely is a possibility for Pakistan to gain from some talent returning home.

(Some names have been changed to protect identities).

Thats unfortunate-but if the situation was that bad it would have made a ot more then the odd edition of Dawn .and the US-Pakistani community would have made a fuss surely.

I saw a program on Discovery called "isam in America" (post 9/11) and they showed several Pakistanis who said there was little personal trouble after, and neighbours were helpful ect-surely that recartion wss more comon?

I have had no problems with colleagus or neighbours, as a matter of fact they ahve been very supportive and very caring. I have had a littlr bit of issues with random ignorant morons on the street though

**US Police nab alleged anti-Pakistani gangsters **

NEW YORK, September 04 (PNS): According to witnesses, a Pakistani businessman, his wife and son were attacked in Long Island area, in the vicinity of New York.

Malik Tariq who runs a Pakistani restaurant. Tandoori Cottage, was sitting in a car with his wife and son when a group of youngsters aged between 18 to 20 years attacked them after using foul language. According to Tariq, the group started beating up his 14 year old son Jibran.

In the meantime, the police was called in, who succeeded in nabbing two gangsters while the rest were able to flee the scene. They have registered a case of a hate crime and started investigations.

Being an american by birth I can only apologize for the ignorance of others but will add that most people were shocked by theses events and reacted badly .Given the chance to repeat things they had would not have lashed out at innocents.We have enough outer problems without us creating inner ones.
but sadly hate and ignorance is hard to escape no matter where you are from or where you are going.It is a disease of humanity for which we have yet to find the cure.And the truely igrorant ones hate for hates sake only. Things for them never changed because of 9/11,they hated everyone not like them then and now .
So as I say I can only apologize for the ignorant ones and hope that you never have to meet the truely ignorant ones

The American people are extremly humane and they go out of their way to help..an example is where my sister is ie in VA/USA..when 9/11 took place she was called by her neighbours the church in her community and especially by her admin. at the Child Care she worked..they all extended any help she may need and particularly asked her if she was bothered by anyone..it was courteous and a humane gesture which very few would do in other countries..as far as as the situation is concerned the toll is shared by everyone..we are all responsible and should extend support ot the country in these times of distress.Help each other heal and peace will follow...:)

Where I live, our neighbors and especially the parents of my friends have done everything they could to make sure that we did not feel alienated, threatened, etc. I will remember their kindness all my life. Not once has anyone said anything against our faith. Not once has anyone asked us to convert. My father was unable to drive for a few weeks, and one of his friends knew how much he liked going to the mosque on fridays. We were absolutely amazed, how that guy volunteered and drove my father to the masjid for those few weeks. I guess as an American I should take my cue from that neighbor of ours, and not be amazed at neighborly help. ( It gave me an appreciation of Homer's didely O neighbor Flanders! You know guys like that really do exist!! ) I guess that is the reason why I am becoming more and more of a flag waving American. So as an American, I am sorry that there are idiots like those kids in NY that felt the need to harrass the pakistani family.

America is very multi-cultured... I started living here as a student after 9/11 and have never faced racial problems, and infact found the people to be very nice... I can understand there may be occasional bad apples, but then again, I must say their behavior, especially the people have been exemplary. Had something happened in Pakistan, we would have killed almost all the Americans in Pakistan...

**REPORT: AMERICAN MUSLIMS ONE YEAR AFTER 9/11 **
(MS Word Document)

This 64-page doc was released on Sept. 5 by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Some of the highlights that I found interesting: (applies to all Muslims including Pakistanis)

**The 9-11 attacks were followed by a dramatic rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes. CAIR received 1717 reports of harassment, violence and other discriminatory acts in the first six months. Although violent attacks have dropped sharply, CAIR has logged more than 325 complaints in the second six-month period after the attacks-a 30 percent increase over the same period prior to 9-11. And most recently, on August 30, 2002, an anti-Muslim hate-rape took place in California, perhaps the first such attack on record in US history. An 18-year-old man raped a 15-year old girl inside Palo Alto Longs Drugs store while making anti-Muslim comments, according to the Palo Alto Police Department.

Murders: A dozen murders have been reported, including a handful of incidents in which the victims were simply mistaken for Muslims and Arabs because of their appearance. The CAIR report enumerated details of 11 murders.

Workplace discrimination: Workplace discrimination complaints with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) soared after 9-11. Between 9-11 and Dec. 6, officials said the EEOC received 166 complaints of illegal discrimination, mostly involving Muslim workers who were fired from their jobs. During the same period a year ago, only 64 such claims were filed. By early February 2002, the agency has received 260 claims from Muslims since 9-11, an increase of 168% over the same period a year earlier. By early March 2002, the national figure of complaints reached 300. These do not include complaints filed with state and local agencies. The number continued to increase. The Chicago Tribune reported on March 15, 2002, “Eight months after the attacks on America, the number of workplace bias complaints by Arab, Muslim, Middle Eastern and South Asian employees is increasing rapidly. The EEOC has received 488 complaints since 9-11…. By April 11, 62 new claims had been filed and by May 7, the agency had received another 74, the largest increase to date.”**

According to CAIR:

Number of reported incidents by State
Total number since Sept. 11: 1717

Interesting to see California top the list.

Total number of incidents by category

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Had something happened in Pakistan, we would have killed almost all the Americans in Pakistan...
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Well that just about negates every single pro-Pakistani post you have ever written. Maybe if people are so bad in Pakistan that they are in that frame of mind, it's time we got rid of the military rule and implemented same laws and social practices as in America. Democracy for a start.

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Had something happened in Pakistan, we would have killed almost all the Americans in Pakistan...
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Mr Spcock, not every Pakistani is as barbarian and ruffian as you are.

Born in California, raised in Connecticut..there is no way I'm "less" of an American than my Caucasian neighbors, but perceptions of others may differ. I was right there on Wall Street when WTC came down, I was also in at work the first day the city let us in... I can honestly say that I was never threatened, intimidated, lost friends or suffered any negative consequences. I consider myself very lucky and do feel for those Pakistanis that have suffered negative reactions from others.

It is really ironic that there are Pakistani colleagues of mine (primarily in the Business sector) that used to be so whitewashed, to the point of denying their heritage, that suffered major discrimination from their own "so called" friends. I think 9-11 should be wake up call to all you gorafied (or is it brown sahibs?) Pakis out there, because when the chips are down you will no been seen like an average american Joe. Rather you will be viewed as some outsider who is claiming to be American.

On another note: I will strongly defend spock, because he has said what most of us were thinking. Being a patriot does not mean being blind. If you don't believe that Pakistan has been radicalized, your living in fools paradise, and even moderates become angered when an event like 9-11 occurs in a country. Being a minority is tough, its even tougher when someone from your group commits an act of terrorism, so who are we kidding? The Mullas and the Politicos of Pakistan would be on standby in stroking flames of hatred.