Pakistan will either break up or fall under Taliban rule by 2015.

I have not heard or seen any of the missle fired on quetta or on the subrubs.. if the CIA has good info about their existence in that area then what the hell they are waiting for??? Chirstmas

On the other hand, it would be foolish for Mulla Umer and osama or anyone wanted by US Army to hide in FATA or Quetta, as they can be pursuaded and killed/caught.. instead they can hide in the valley or caves in Afghanistan where Taliban is controlling more than 70% area....

But yes i understand that you find it funny as american media have not said anything like this...

One more thing... Afghan/Talibans are controlling most part of Afghnistan, according to American generals these terrorists are planning another attack on US... the question is.. what US-Army was doing in afghanistan for last 6/7 years???

Plus MQM, the only people knowing the art of threatening / killing and then becoming "Mazloom" themselves.

The problem with those Mullahs in tribal areas is that they are wrong but at the same time too "straight forward". If they want to come to power like some of the other terrorist groups in Karachi, then they might think of learning "Munafiqat" like them.

Re: Pakistan will either break up or fall under Taliban rule by 2015.

Good title.
I say depending on how they manage in swat, whole county may fall under their rule.

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willingly that is!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you just perfectly described jamaat type victomology thinking.

USA and Pakistan have a secret agreement in which US can target Al Qaeda and Taliban if that area is not under Pakistani Army control such as the Tribal Areas.

Quetta is under Pakistani Army control. But so far have not taken any action against the Afghan Taliban and its leader Mullah Omar as they are fighting Meshud and the Pakistani Taliban. The Army fears opening another front.

Why would they be foolish to hide in FATA?

Pakistani Army was driven off that area. Zawahiri, the 2nd Al Qaeda commander was almost killed in 2006. Every other day, 10-12 Al Qaeda terrorists are being killed by drone attacks. All of them within FATA. Quetta is Afghan Taliban HQ. USA is already thinking about expanding its drone attacks in cities such as Peshawar and Quetta as Al Qaeda and Taliban move deeper into Pakistan due to drone attacks.

Sorry to burst your bubble. I dont have cable in my house.

They do control it but as soon as the NATO/US forces move in, they run away to Pakistan. So its not a permanent control. In FATA on the other hand, its their sanctuaries. They live there, train terrorists there, brainwash them and then send them to Afghanistan.

Stop reading Madrassah leaflets and come back to reality.

"jamaat type " mean he is pro taliban as their new chief said on T.V. openly.
Imran is already supporting them. N$ has also links with them and he had personal meetings with Osama in past.

That was not a try, it was half hearted efforts to "ask" the foreigners to leave without any actual accountability. Lets wait say 2 more months for the Taliban's spring offensive in Afghanistan and talk about the damage.

Do you even know the facts on the ground? Ever been to FATA? Pakhtunkhwa? The answer to all must be no. You would'nt understand the situation on the ground- something that the Pakistani military is being unable to come to grips with. Go ahead and call for bombing the place into oblivion Israeli style and I assure you that the blowback will be in every major city of Pakistan. Now I know that most of you non-Pakhtuns wouldn't give a damn when thousands are hurt or killed in Pakhtunkwa, but I am sure things will be different when its hitting you home cities. I don't make any distinctions between Pakistanis - a suicide bombing in Chakwal is on the same level as some miliatry operation gone wrong in Parachinar. No civilian casualties.

It's pretty easy to be an armchair analyst. I want to see you come up with a credible plan to eliminate the TTP threat. Lets see it, then..

We did ask them in 2001, 2003 and 2006 to expel all foreign terrorists...they said they would and then they didn't....

Actually you are wrong. I have been to Peshawar and one of my aunt has married Pashtun and some of my good freinds are Pashtuns....so please stop making wrong assumptions

What I understand is that Pashtuns have been brainwashed into supporting Arabs and they are using that territory for foreign terrorism and the Pashtuns think its their duty to protect them. This creates a problem for Pakistan since these guys are plotting global acts of terrorism from Pakistani territory and thus it is Pakistan's responsibility to deal with these animals. If they refuse to cooperate then they are traitors.

Isn't it already?

Well they have hit my home city of Lahore. My 10 year old cousin saw a bombing while going to school and now is in emotional shock.

My uncle's house in model town sufferd damage after Taliban blew up the FIA HQ

Since not making a distinction you are pretty much acknowleding that the Pakistani Army has no soverign duty to guard its homeland from foreign or domestic enemies. That is a treaesous statement.

My plan is simple. Offer the TTP a simple solution, either you stop hosting foreign terrorism, stop all attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan, come under Government supervision and where Pakistani Constitution rule of Law will be applied and not Tribal rule of Law

And if you do not agree to these conditions then Pakistan removes all responsibility to defend this area and this US and NATO is welcome to bomb this area into submission.....

That will get these animals to see reason

*We did ask them in 2001, 2003 and 2006 to expel all foreign terrorists...they said they would and then they didn't....
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Please look up the definition of "accountability."

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Actually you are wrong. I have been to Peshawar and one of my aunt has married Pashtun and some of my good freinds are Pashtuns....so please stop making wrong assumptions
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Wow you went to Pekhawar? I stand corrected. Your aunt married a Pakhtun and have Pakhtun friends - that MUST make you an expert on what is happening in 2009 on the ground. I was in Pakhtunkhwa last month, lived in Mohmand agency, saw the talibs first hand, had dinner with a certain expert on the Taliban insurgency (who needs to drop names?).

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What I understand is that Pashtuns have been brainwashed into supporting Arabs and they are using that territory for foreign terrorism and the Pashtuns think its their duty to protect them. This creates a problem for Pakistan since these guys are plotting global acts of terrorism from Pakistani territory and thus it is Pakistan's responsibility to deal with these animals. If they refuse to cooperate then they are traitors.
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So Pakhtuns are traitors?

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Isn't it already?
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You haven't seen anything yet. We're talking Afghanistan style destruction. Hekmatyar style craziness. You have much to learn.

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Well they have hit my home city of Lahore. My 10 year old cousin saw a bombing while going to school and now is in emotional shock.

My uncle's house in model town sufferd damage after Taliban blew up the FIA HQ
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Well I am genuinely sorry to hear that. I am not a Punjab hater or some racist that will condine any of these attacks. Like I said, are YOU prepared for much worse? If so, then carry on with the campaign.

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Since not making a distinction you are pretty much acknowleding that the Pakistani Army has no soverign duty to guard its homeland from foreign or domestic enemies. That is a treaesous statement.
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HAHA Pakistani soverignty? Where was that Pakistani soverignty when the drones where attacking when US/NATO forces crossed the Durand thousands of times, where the same "traitorous" Pakhtuns of FATA started firiing their rudimentary AKs? Where was the Pakistani Army then? These are not some articles or intelligence analyses biut soemthing that I have witnessed personally.

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My plan is simple. Offer the TTP a simple solution, either you stop hosting foreign terrorism, stop all attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan, come under Government supervision and where Pakistani Constitution rule of Law will be applied and not Tribal rule of Law

And if you do not agree to these conditions then Pakistan removes all responsibility to defend this area and this US and NATO is welcome to bomb this area into submission.....

That will get these animals to see reason**

Partially agreed. Remove all foriegners, bring it under Pakistan soverignty. You will never be able to get them to agree to stopping attcaks in Afghanistan, Pakistan yes.

Newsflash: NATO/US is already targetting this areas and as for the bombing into submission, that task has already been executed by the glorious PAF.

Re: Pakistan will either break up or fall under Taliban rule by 2015.

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HAHA Pakistani soverignty? Where was that Pakistani soverignty when the drones where attacking when US/NATO forces crossed the Durand thousands of times, where the same "traitorous" Pakhtuns of FATA started firiing their rudimentary AKs? Where was the Pakistani Army then? These are not some articles or intelligence analyses biut soemthing that I have witnessed personally.
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Drone attacks came AFTER pakisatni territory was used to conduct cross border attacks. We have no right to criticize drone attacks on issues of sovereignty, when we have ourselves lost the area to talibs.

Yup I did and the Taliban and Tribals broke the cease fire when they continued to attack Pakistani troops, host foreign terrorists and continue to send suicide bombers into Afghanistan

Really, you have any proof to back up that claim?

They were against the creation of Pakistan in 1948. They don't consider themselves Pakistanis. They kill Pakistani Soldiers. They do not follow the Pakistani constitution. What else is a definition of a traitor?

I am sure they are capable of that and much more. The Evil of the Taliban knows no bounds.

The campaign has to be carried on because its about the integrity of Pakistan. Just like the US Civil War was fought to preserve the Union, or World War II to rid the world of Nazism and Facism.

There is no Pakistani soverignity where the drones are attacking as the Taliban has driven off the Pakistani Army. And the Durrand lines, there is no Pakistani Soverignity, if a Pakistani Soldier enteres that area, they are shot at and killed.

Why would the Pakistani Air Force shoot down the drones, when these drones have been a blessing in disguise killing hundreds of terrorists who could have carried out thousands of bombings in pakistan killing thousands.

Each time I hear of a drone attack, I am happy, more of Pakistan's enemies are DEAD!.

Once the Foreigners are gone...and the Afghan Army is build up, these animals will die as soon as they cross into Afghanistan.

NATO/US are using pin prick drone attacks. They haven't send in their B-52 Bombers to turn that area into a Parking Lot.

PAF has performed bravely, taking out terrorists.

I pray for more Drone attacks and more of these savage beasts would die.

The world would be better off once these animals are burning in the fires of Hell.

Re: Pakistan will either break up or fall under Taliban rule by 2015.

Government should just save everyone time and give in now. Defeat is inevitable.

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