Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
The news from the centre is indian and afgan cricket fans have joined hands on different social media sites to troll Pakiatan. I know indians are our arch rivals and we have a history but my blood boils when Namak haram afganies talk **** about pakistan. It’s time to kick out 3 million Afghan refugees .
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
Afghanis have internet? 
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Nops
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
Aghanies are Cancer to Pakistan!!!
There is no cure to it, they had been ever enemy ever since Pakistan was formed!! And they’ll remain our enemy until they are done and dusted!!
Afghans have very little to do with religion or any other social norm, they have social values of pooping on the same place they feed!!! They actually keep track of their neighbors and the moment they see an opportunity they seize his house and women and live-stock.. thats an Afghan…
Now i dont know out of which brotherhood we are hosting this cancer
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
I disagree on this point because in the long run we have statements from Afghan Leaders, Karzai comes to mind who said if India was to attack Pakistan He would help and fight alongside Pakistan!
Cricket is just a game and not the same as Combat!
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
I would go with a 4-pronged pace attack against India: Amir, Junaid, Hasan and Ruman. Imad should be rested. He is neither scoring runs nor taking wickets and hence adding little value to the team at present.
As to who should play between Shadab and Faheem, it is s tough one. One is a better bowler (Shadab), the other a better hitter (Faheem). I would personally go with Faheem as we need runs (320+/-) against India’s very strong batting line-up. Fakhar is due a failure and we can’t just rely on one hitter in the team. Besides spin won’t trouble Indian batsmen that much.
If needed Hafeez and Malik can bowl a few overs as well.
Above said India are firm favourites to win CT again imo. History is against us and Pakistan will have to play out of their skin to beat them.
Despite Pakistan’s improved performances in the later games, another thrashing by India cannot be ruled out. Half the battle is fought in the mind and India definitely has a psychological edge (apart from batting superiority) against us right now.
Whichever captain wins the toss will want to bat first.
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
That statement i guess was when Karzai was not in Power…remove Ghani and he’ll be all lovey dovey to Pakistan as well
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Lankans don’t have any psychological issues against India In ICC tournaments
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This is a sports forum but on this issue I am with hanibal 100%
I don’t trust the Afghans either..
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
Awal Afghan doyam kamboh! Don’t know who said that!
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
Sir Jee there are 3 million afgan refugees in Pakistan and they use our telephones, our Sim cards, our Internet to make social media accounts. Those accounts are being used in Anti-Pakistani and pro India motives.
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
I am hopeful that Pakistan would win against India, but all depend on choice of players and batting first.
Batting first: Pakistan have number of Tuk-Tuk experts, who do not know how to take singles. They play too slow for limited overs, especially facing their first 30 odd balls. I would not be surprised if Azhar, Babar, Shoaib, or Hafeez make 5 to 15 runs facing 30 odd balls, and that means wasting too many balls. Though, if they do not get out than they try to compensate their slow batting with some quick runs later, but since their average is low, that situation normally do not arises. Situation become worse when they make 5 to 10 runs in 30 odd balls and then get out. This causes lot of pressure on later batsmen. Worse is that, they may make 70 runs in 100 balls, and than expecting a place in next match, though their such slow batting may make Pakistan lose the match. Worse still is that some Pakistanis start making them hero for their 70 odd runs taken in around 100 balls.
This means, if Pakistan bat first, than without any pressure to make runs fast, these players start showing their tuk-tuk nature. Due to so many tuk-tukas in team, batting first mean, it is unlikely Pakistan could set good or even reasonable target. Depending on pitch condition, with 4 tuk-tuk players in top 5, Pakistan is unlikely to give more than 250 as target and could be even lower if pitch is bad. If Pakistan do manage to give 300 plus target than that would not be Pakistan natural game, rather it would need coach and captain to push the team hard, for pushing senior players to make fast runs is much harder thing to do.
Even then, there is no guarantee that India would not achieve target above 300 (at present, they have the best batting line up in the world), hence chasing 300 plus target is no big deal, and giving them target less than 300 means, very likely chance of losing the match. So, for Pakistan to bat first would be bad decision (if they win the toss).
On the other hand, if India is asked to bat first, they would have no total as target, so they would play their normal game and it means, giving around 300 target (could be lower, if Pakistani bowlers do good), though, could be higher too.
Pakistan knowing the target they need to chase, than with Captain’s prompting and push, tuk-tuk players may play a bit faster than their normal game. Players would have to be told that there are only 300 balls to get the target, and thus they have to play fast even risking getting out, as playing fast could make Pakistan chase the target but playing slow would mean defeat. As for getting out, they can also get out playing slow (what they normally do anyhow), so why play slow? … In this way, chances for Pakistan to win is higher than Pakistan batting first.
As for team: India is good in playing slow bowlers, though 10 overs for them is fine. Pakistan have 4 players who can fulfil that role and best is to include 2 of them (only 2). Four of them are Hafeez, Shoaib, Shadab and Imad.
Hafeez: I know that Hafeez played fine against Australia, so it would be difficult to drop him and since his normal game is scoring in one then not scoring in several, it is very unlikely that he would score a lot against India … specially if he is forced to score fast. So, even though I think Hafeez should be dropped, it would be difficult after his performance against England. Hafeez bowling is also an asset, as he is economical bowler.
Azhar and Babar: Same can be said about Azhar and Babar, both batted well against England, and it would be difficult to drop them.
Imad: amongst all 4 players (rather even if we include Azhar and Babar), Imad strike rate is best, better than all. Imad ODI strike rate is 100 plus, and T20 SR is ~150. His ODI average is also reasonable (35.00). Imad limited overs bowling average and especially economy rate is also very good. Hence … he deserve to have his place all the time (permanently).
Shoaib: He did not bat against England, made 16 runs against SA and only 11 runs against SL. Against India he made 15. He did not bowled against any of the 3 teams (SL, SA or Eng). He bowled 2 overs for 10 runs against India. … So, he should be dropped.
Shadab: He played 3 games. Ind, SA and Eng. batted against India making 14. His bowled 24 overs in 3 matches, took 2 wickets for 112 runs. … Obviously, his performance is not such that team would miss him, so should be dropped too.
Amongst fast and medium fast bowlers:
Amir performance was not too good. He bowled 28.1 overs conceding 135 runs for 2 wickets, he can be included in team, because Pakistan would need fast bowlers against India. In last match, he gave only 32 runs against India in 10 overs.
Rumman Raees: His bowling against England (sole game he played) was really exceptional. Even though catch was dropped in his bowling and close LBW decision early in the inning was turned down, He took first wicket of the inning that puy England on defence. Overall, he took 2 wickets for 44 in 10 overs. His List A and T20 average as well as economy rate is quite good. He was instrumental in Islamabad united PSL winning of trophy this as well as last year. So, obviously he should be in team and deserve his selection in playing eleven
Junaid Khan: He took 7 wickets in his 30 overs for 135 runs. So, he also deserve selection.
Hasan took 10 wickets in 40 overs for 172 runs. Being highest wicket taker, obviously he deserve to be in team too.
Fahim: He played only 1 game and his performance was reasonable. So, depending on what type of bowler Pakistan needs, slow or medium fast, Shadab or Fahim can be selected. But since Indian team is good in playing slow bowlers, Fahim should be given chance against India.
Hence my team would be (according to batting order):
1: Fakhar
2: Azhar
3: Babar
4: Sarfraz
5: Imad
6: Hafeez
7: Fahim … (Haris Sohail can also play in place of Fahim).
8: Hasan
9: Amir
10: Junaid
11: Rumman
I believe, this is what team should be on merit (and I have explained why). I hope sense would prevail. Sarfraz and coach would use merit to select playing 11.
About Pakistan vs India by 3 top batsmen and Captains: … Lara, Viv and Ian Chappel … plus, the players who should play in Pakistan playing 11 (in opinion of these Captains, especially Brain Lara]. Also, all 3 agree that since Pakistan bowling is stronger and predictable than batting, it would be better for Pakistan to bowl first, try to restrict Indian total as low as possible, than chase the target.
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
yes I opened them but i opened the threads fair and square when no one else was opening it too unlike some desperate ones who opened a thread while the previous match was not finished is that fair and square?
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
Agreed bro
never ever trust a Afghani
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
well this is a pakistani cricket forum, so i guess i dont want to hurt any emotions but if i express my cricket observations, this current indian ODI cricket team is in a totally different league. their batting depth, fielding, and bowling, everything is really balanced and they have become a very professional lot under a skipper who is passionate to win. Forget Pak, we are no 8, even rest of top teams Aus, SA seem weak and not so motivated. Only Eng may give tough time to this indian team.
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Asi have said many times and i will repeat myself,** really good performance by this Pak team so far but remember, few wins here and there do not change fundamentals overnight and I dont change my opinion. A team has to do a lot more on a consistent basis to truly become a champion team. this Pakistani team is very weak and not a top team. our batting is a disaster, not equipped for modern day cricket, too slow, physically not fit, cannot rotate strike, no really established power hitters, no all rounders. we simply can’t chase any score on a consistent basis. bowling is ok but can loose composure under pressure. we are getting some good bowlers but too early to call them wasim/waqar caliber.
my prediction, match will be most likely one-sided with india 65/35 based on both teams current talent and form. Now, anything can happen on a given day and Pak’s best chance is to somehow take 3-4 wickets in first 20 overs and test indian middle order which is not tested. other than that, Pak does not stand much chance.
but Yes all prayers for Green shirts…
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The team that does well in all three departments of the game will win the match.
Re: Pakistan Vs India | Champions Trophy Final | at The Oval London, 18 June 2017
We have got Zainab Abbas!
One pic with her and India is done
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How is it that we have got here? It seems surreal. In the age of skirting around stereotypes and upending norms, here comes a contest almost as old as partition itself: Pakistani bowling v Indian batting, and still, though we have all tasted thismasala and read some version of this script, it doesn’t feel even slightly hackneyed, not even a little stale.
How could it be? Australia might be the winningest outfit in the game, but are there two prouder cricket nations than India and Pakistan? Close your eyes. Bring to mind the players of yore. Waqar Younis and his yorkers, with tails like comets, making matchsticks out of the stumps; Mohammad Azharuddin, his flicks like brushwork, the ball teleporting through the leg side, reappearing so far into the distance you only knew it had arrived when it thwacked the boundary board. Here is Sachin Tendulkar tapping his bat, so poised, so zen at the crease; there blows Shoaib Akhtar like a hot wind, limbs whipping through that elastic action. An India v Pakistan match is not so much a new chapter in a rivalry, as a clash of cricketing bloodlines.
And an elemental force has each side been in this tournament. India, sleeker now than they have been in previous decades, have overpowered oppositions to get to this final. Not since Australia in the last decade, has an ODI team looked quite so clinical, quite so bristling with purpose. They have aformula about their game too: start steady with the bat, surge through the middle, and finish big. With the ball: strangle up front, make incisions through the middle, and let the opposition innings bleed out. They stand now, muscles rippling, only once - against Sri Lanka - having had to break a sweat.
Pakistan, meanwhile, have been the same old manic vortex: awful sometimes, amazing at others, transitioning from one to the other between matches, or within the same over - who knows how the mood will strike? While India are a knowable, quantifiable outfit, Pakistan’s strength is their imperviousness to any kind of rational breaking down of their game. How can you plan against that?
Still, it is Pakistan who will have to spring the surprise here. They are the team that has to make the charge on Minas Tirith. It is up to them to gird up their strike power for the raid on the Death Star.
At these global events, they have long been the race-car that goes from zero to a hundred quicker than anyone else, it’s just that sometimes, that is while tumbling off a side of a cliff.
Form guide
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India WWLWL (completed matches, most recent first)
Pakistan WWWLW
Play02:56****
Dobell: Role identification is India’s strength********In the spotlight
No one has quite lived out India’s dominance in the Champions Trophy, nor their appetite for the big events, like**Shikhar Dhawan, whose 317 runs at an average of 79.25 (and a strike rate of 102), places him at the top of the run scorers’ list. Much like with his team, there is a brooding confidence in Dhawan’s game at the moment. He is resplendently unflustered by slow starts, backing himself to score quickly later on. So well-placed is India when he typically departs, that it’s not just that he has laid the foundation, he has helped complete most of the building. All that remains for the likes of MS Dhoni to do is stick a spire on the top, and run the flag up the pole.**
And who better embodies the campaign of what was the eighth-ranked team in the tournament than the man who was thought to be only the fourth-best quick in the squad. Hasan Ali has a hint of the old Pakistan sorcery about his bowling: the*lachak in his approach, the theatrical celebration, the wisps of reverse swing. With ten victims at an average of 17.20, and a wonderful economy rate of 4.52, he has the potential to be the pebble that jams up India’s cogs, and brings the machinery tumbling down.*
Team news
R Ashwin was seen with a heavily-taped right knee on the eve of the match, and had appeared to pull a muscle. He required the physiotherapist’s attention and was then seen doing short run ups followed by stretches later. If he is ruled unfit, Umesh Yadav, who took 3 for 30 in the opening match against Pakistan, may slot back into the XI. Such is the quality in India’s squad, that they can lose a player of Ashwin’s stature and still not be too badly dented by it.
India (possible) 1 Rohit Sharma, 2 Shikhar Dhawan, 3 Virat Kohli (capt), 4 Yuvraj Singh, 5 MS Dhoni (wk), 6 Kedar Jadhav, 7 Hardik Pandya, 8 Ravindra Jadeja, 9 R Ashwin/Umesh Yadav,10 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 11 Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammad Amir has been ruled fit after missing the semi-final with a back spasm, meaning Rumman Raees is likely to exit the XI, despite his excellent debut.
Pakistan (possible) 1 Azhar Ali, 2 Fakhar Zaman, 3 Babar Azam, 4 Mohammad Hafeez, 5 Shoaib Malik, 6 Sarfraz Ahmed (capt & wk), 7 Imad Wasim, 8 Mohammad Amir, 9 Shadab Khan, 10 Hasan Ali, 11 Junaid Khan
Pitch and conditions
A fresh pitch is being used for the match and appears mostly dry, so perhaps the track will favour batsmen and scores in excess of 300 are likely. The forecast is for a slightly cloudy, but mostly dry day, with temperatures reaching the high twenties.
Stats and trivia
Although Pakistan have an overall lead in the head-to-head stakes, having won 72 matches to India’s 52, they have lost eight of the 10 matches the teams have played in global tournaments.
India have scored 1098 runs at a per-batsman average of 91.50 in the tournament, which makes them by a distance the best batting side on show. The next-best average is England’s 41.11
Pakistan’s 31 wickets are the most taken by any team in the Champions Trophy. Since that opening loss to India, they have taken 28 wickets at 23.78 and maintained an economy rate of 4.46.
Three of India’s top-five average higher than 43 against Pakistan - Rohit Sharma (37.90) is the lone exception.
Junaid Khan has taken eight wickets at an average of 21.50 in five matches against India. He has dismissed Kohli three times, and conceded only two runs to him.
Quotes
“I don’t see any relevance of the first game here because you can never tell how a particular team starts a tournament. Some teams start very confidently and then they fade off. Some teams might not have the best starts, and they come back amazingly, which Pakistan have done. So everyone is aware of the kind of talent they have in their team, and on their day they can beat any side in the world.”
India captain Virat Kohli
“I said before the Edgbaston game [against India], that I thought they were really, really calm. But they’re very, very excited now, and there’s a hell of a good vibe in that dressing room. Let’s hope we can pull out our ‘A’ game again tomorrow. If we play our ‘A’ game together and do the basics well, we can beat anybody.”
Pakistan coach Mickey arther**********************************
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