Pakistan V Windies. H/L post#450

[Howzat_1]

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@phoenixdesi

what do you expect from these uneducated primary school drop outs ...now i am saying this with some perspective and not out of anger.....not that other teams have phds but i have felt that our players are mentally so weak because their IQ is equal to an aam mazdoor...for last 15 years they have been coming from very very poor families and social backgrounds....it is absolutely not a crime to be poor, so please dont take dicussion to that direction

but what do you expect from them...they are absolutely not capable of any strategic thinking, driven by petty motives, and captive of cheap thinking...they have zeroi IQ.....look at the list....mohammad aamir, asif, kamran akmal, umar akmal, ahmad shezad, mohaammad hafiz...anyway a loaded topic that needs more data and thinking

Are you serious ?

Wasim Akram was from an industrialist family and completed his graduation from Aitchison College ? He had no IQ level ? Same case with Javed Miandad.

Except Imran Khan, i don't think so there were many players who came from rich families. Many squash, snooker, hockey players came from poor families but served Pakistan a lot.

So, according to your assumption, there must be some merit to get select in team. Every cricketer must have solid family back ground and graduate at least. There must be an IQ test and after passing that test, they will be selected in team. Sounds good to me :)

[Southie]

Re: Pakistan V Windies. H/L post#450

CRE
CMAT

[Howzat_1]

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lets cheer up guys

Kaali Aandhi say Panga Naheen Changa :hehe:

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[Howzat_1]

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@Southie

CRE
CMAT

At initial stage only GMAT

[Lucid_Chaotic]

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Classic Pakistani responses after the loss today
"The match was fixed… likhwa lo!"
"C’mon yaar… the team was in the semis in every T20 WC before this. No big deal."

Yes… conspiracy theories and resting on past laurels are the two psychological coping mechanisms our people rely on. My fellow countrymen, come out of your la la land and get a grip on reality. The team sucked today and there’s a lot to fix! You won’t be able to fix it until you wake up and smell the coffee.

If you consider the famous 3 Ts that Imran Khan uses to evaluate players (Talent, Technique, Temperament)… it is blatantly obvious that our players lack technique and temperament… and we are banking too much simply on “talent” alone. We seem to be okay in finding talent, but we’re not doing enough to teach technique and foster temperament. Why couldn’t even one batsman play spin today? lack of technique... why couldn't Gul or Ajmal adapt to the situation? lack of temperament... why did the batting lineup implode? lack of temperament... our team just can’t handle pressure situations. We need to go back to the basics of cricket.

[Howzat_1]

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this is hilarious :omg:

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[GoldenAsif]

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Are you serious ? Wasim Akram was from an industrialist family and completed his graduation from Aitchison College ? He had no IQ level ? Same case with Javed Miandad. Except Imran Khan, i don't think so there were many players who came from rich families. Many squash, snooker, hockey players came from poor families but served Pakistan a lot.

So, according to your assumption, there must be some merit to get select in team. Every cricketer must have solid family back ground and graduate at least. There must be an IQ test and after passing that test, they will be selected in team. Sounds good to me :)

Slight correction:
Wasim Akram did not go to Aitchison College! Imran, Majid and Ramiz did. Wasim comes from a well to do family but he was educated at Government Islamia College Civil Lines Lahore, where he played as an opening bowler and batsman. **The standard has really gone down since the 70s and 80s **when we had many educated players incl. Asif Iqbal, Imran, Majid, Mohsin, Ramiz and Wasim Raja etc.

And you always talk about the majority

And PD is right that most of our cricketers are illiterate and paindus...Look at Ajmal, Akmal brothers etc.

[GoldenAsif]

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Literally two people Bravo and Sammy took the game away from us. Pakistan had the match under control until the 15th over (84/5)...then the wheels came off in the last 5 overs. We absolutely crumbled under pressure with both ball (last 5 overs) and bat

[Ethan_Hunt]

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So when is the next match or tournament?

[Howzat_1]

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@GoldenAsif

Slight correction:
Wasim Akram did not go to Aitchison College! Imran, Majid and Ramiz did. Wasim comes from a well to do family but he was educated at Government Islamia College Civil Lines Lahore, where he played as an opening bowler and batsman. **The standard has really gone down since the 70s and 80s **when we had many educated players incl. Asif Iqbal, Imran, Majid, Mohsin, Mudassar and Wasim Raja etc.

And you always talk about the majority

And PD is right that most of our cricketers are illiterate and paindus…Look at Ajmal, Akmal brothers etc.

I know about Wasim and you didn’t get my point Wasim even he didn’t pass his FA and if you remember Qasim Umar translated his first interview in NZ. So you guys think if any one has gone to college his IQ level increased to become a good cricketer

yea I agree that our cricketers are paindo and illiterate . But in presence of those highly educated cricketers tell me, why didn’t we get many successes on World Level? yea I agree those were super star.

I think Asif, Amjid, Mohsin , Raja left cricket before end of 86 and we got too much success after Miandad six.

So, according to you and PD we need educated cricketers but don’t need Paindo Talented cricketers

[Howzat_1]

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@Lucid_Chaotic

Classic Pakistani responses after the loss today
“The match was fixed… likhwa lo!”
“C’mon yaar… the team was in the semis in every T20 WC before this. No big deal.”

Yes… conspiracy theories and resting on past laurels are the two psychological coping mechanisms our people rely on. My fellow countrymen, come out of your la la land and get a grip on reality. The team sucked today and there’s a lot to fix! You won’t be able to fix it until you wake up and smell the coffee.

If you consider the famous 3 Ts that Imran Khan uses to evaluate players (Talent, Technique, Temperament)… it is blatantly obvious that our players lack technique and temperament… and we are banking too much simply on “talent” alone. We seem to be okay in finding talent, but we’re not doing enough to teach technique and foster temperament. Why couldn’t even one batsman play spin today? lack of technique… why couldn’t Gul or Ajmal adapt to the situation? lack of temperament… why did the batting lineup implode? lack of temperament… our team just can’t handle pressure situations. We need to go back to the basics of cricket.

[GoldenAsif]

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@Tanha2012

I know about Wasim and you didn’t get my point Wasim even he didn’t pass his FA and if you remember Qasim Umar translated his first interview in NZ. So you guys think if any one has gone to college his IQ level increased to become a good cricketer

yea I agree that our cricketers are paindo and illiterate . But in presence of those highly educated cricketers tell me, why didn’t we get many successes on World Level? yea I agree those were super star.

I think Asif, Amjid, Mohsin , Raja left cricket before end of 86 and we got too much success after Miandad six.

So, according to you and PD we need educated cricketers but don’t need Paindo Talented cricketers

Some level of education or good schooling (No one is saying do a Ph.D or double masters first and then play cricket but being sarak chaap is not desirable either!) or aqal is a must when you are representing your country. Look at indian cricketers. Most of them incl. Kohli, Dhoni and Dravid etc. don’t make an ass of themselves in front of the media.

Follow Misbah’s example in the present team…

[hanibal]

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@devilish_angel

we cant chase, we cant take pressure, if two wickets fall early no stability there goes all the team, we don't have match winners summarizes all.

only god knows what was malik doing in this team..he was so embarrassed with his own presence

i agree with your comments but we have a bigger problem

after 25 years I have come to conclusion that somehow our cricketers especially the newer generation (post 1990) are mentally not very strong ..........there is really no cure to this problem and now this cancer is spreading to our bowling as well.....

I mean, every team got bad days in this tournament but if you look at our performance today, it was not a bad day in office only....we lost it completely out of panic.....we were in complete control till 16 overs...complete control but then....look at their faces and body language after it....it was embarrassing when they came out to bat

i dont know !

About mental toughness, it was same Malik along with MoYo, where both built a record partnership against India in a champion trophy match not very long ago, but then every good thing have to end so does Malik's career, but for some reason he keep getting selected by the selectors and new blood is getting ignored or demoralized... can you blame them???

Umer Gul is still in playing eleven despite is bad performance in Asia cup, Anwar Ali was not never given a run but when it does he proved his worth and have shown mental strength and guts against the bowling attack of South Africa as well... another example is Fawad Alam, who played remarkably well but was ignored for T20, because somehow he is one of those players who do not surrender and keeps the game on, Sohaib Maqsood is there as well, does not take unnecessary pressure, hits the bad ball but often called on the pitch too late... Mohd Irfan is another example a new comer and is prime asset in Pakistan's bowling attack...

above are just examples, but our selectors cannot see beyond Akmal brothers when it comes to wicket keeping, they cannot think of any fast bowlers, despite Omer gul being thrown out of park every time he bowls, Kukri seems to be 100 times better when compared to Omer gul, gul has to gol, Mohd Irfan and Junaid Khan are good, give them confidence and better coaching, get likes of Wasim to train them..

the thing is, the captain of t20 have no ability to bat, or perform, yet he thinks himself as best bowler and best batsman...

about this match, giving a pacer an over, when spinners have overs and were doing great job was stupidity at best, why didn't hafeez bowled his own overs, he had got two at that time, Windies were under pressure, but as you rightly mentioned the mental strength was not their nor was confidence so he decided to go to gul and give match back to them...

remember, it was 17th over of Austrailian innings which turned match in our favor when ajmal bowled very well, and it was again 17th over which turned match in windies favor when gul bowled a disaster spell..

[Howzat_1]

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@GoldenAsif

Some level of education or good schooling (No one is saying do a Ph.D or double masters first and then play cricket but being sarak chaap is not desirable either!) or aqal is a must when you are representing your country. Look at indian cricketers. Most of them incl. Kohli, Dhoni and Dravid etc. don't make an ass of themselves in front of the media.

Follow Misbah's example in the present team...

I am not denying the importance of education and will be happy to see our captain graduate from Oxford but you should also admit there is no substitute of Natural Talent and after the selection this is the responsibility of PCB to polish their talent.

Suppose you have a paindo / sarak chap bowler who can bowled other teams quickly but don't have etiquette to face media, so you will say first go to some good school and after that you will be part of team ? Of course No, Someone should educate him to face these kind of things.

[Arleitter]

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welcome back, arli. aatey aatey hi laga dee na apni khaas manhoosiyat..

Thank you friend.I was just mentioning to the hype given to W.I bowlers like Sunil Narine and Badree.I wanted Pakistan to play SriLanka in the semis .SriLankans will be overjoyed to see W.I as their opponents in the semis because they know that it is going to be a cake walk for them.media hype on Sunil Narine and Badree was too much that Pak batsmen just got carried away with it.Barring a couple of wickets,all the wickets that fell were off lose shots.Had a couple of forefront batsmen stayed on,Pakistan could have easily won the match and three major Asian teams would have been in the Semis and atleast one Asian team would have qualified for the final.

[ehsan]

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@phoenixdesi

what do you expect from these uneducated primary school drop outs ...now i am saying this with some perspective and not out of anger.....not that other teams have phds but i have felt that our players are mentally so weak because their IQ is equal to an aam mazdoor...for last 15 years they have been coming from very very poor families and social backgrounds....it is absolutely not a crime to be poor, so please dont take dicussion to that direction

but what do you expect from them...they are absolutely not capable of any strategic thinking, driven by petty motives, and captive of cheap thinking...they have zeroi IQ.....look at the list....mohammad aamir, asif, kamran akmal, umar akmal, ahmad shezad, mohaammad hafiz...anyway a loaded topic that needs more data and thinking

These are cheap comments and have no place in reality. What makes you think that only degree level guys have intellect. Ajmal can out fox most guys in world cricket and most them are so called "educated". How many of your educated bowlers can do that. Nothing new I am reading here, yes we lost yesterday and lost badly but the ones who are always ready to destroy the team on one performance having a field day. Lets not forget the uneducated team of Aus also did not have a clue about playing in this tournament. Next time Aus must select PHD's only.

[Smoke_N_Mirror]

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[waleedhbk]

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To all those who are saying that only intellectual can play crickets we all know what Salman butt did he had a good degree as well as O and A levels

[Arleitter]

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Infact the more your education ,the more are swearing. Look at Virat Kohli :nono:

[ehsan]

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To all those who are saying that only intellectual can play crickets we all know what Salman butt did he had a good degree as well as O and A levels

Satyanas I was holding that back till PD replied. :D

Yes what a brilliant performance from an "educated" player. The worst performance of any cricketer from Pakistan, left all the jahils and paindoos behind.

And we are told that how mentally tough and brilliant the Aussie and English players are. Looking at their performance in this tournament, enough said.