There seems to be curiously little fight coming from the senior players. I have already mentioned how Saqi was stared down by Rafique and has been completely outshone by the relatively unknown Bengali bowler.
And Inzimam pretty much has to get at least a big 50 in the second innings or his career is on the ropes. Even the fact that Pakistan have been pushed to the brink in all these test matches against BD is a pretty poor effort and the biggest flops have once again been the senior pros.
At this rate we will be massacred by SA.
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At this rate we will be massacred by SA.
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On normal dead Pakistani wickets it's hard to see the strong SA batting line up scoring less than 500. And on a pitch like this one in Multan I can't see us getting 150 against the likes of Ntini. With Sami and Shoaib back we should be ok bowling wise, but the batting still looks 2nd rate.
I am sure our selectors will be regretting their decision to not include Saeed Anwar and let him retire as he was the only experienced "in-form" batsman who performed well in WC, all other batsmen whether "experienced" or "inexperienced" are still struggling to perform.
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At this rate we will be massacred by SA.
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exactly my thoughts. none of our batsmen is "in-form" and we are not sure what happens b/w now and SA arrival to our fasties. even if we have Sami and Shoaib, it wouldn't really help at all if our batsmen continue their performance this way.
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Rashid Latif let's the side down once again.
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Please do tell us when was the last time he let us down?
He scored a 54 & 40 in 2 innings he has played so far.
And FYI, he is a keeper/batsman, his main priority is to be a keeper, why don't you blame Inzi, he has the most experience as a batsman.
Why are you singeling out Rashid Latif?
He led from the front in the first inning in Karachi when Pakistan lost 5 wickets on the early morning of day 2.
Thats one thing I despise about Pakistanis, in times of crisis we always look for a scapegoat, and since Rashid is the captain, blame all the misfortunes on him.
Its amazing the fact that everyone puts the blame on Latif as soon as he has a bad score and when he does well, no one seems to notice.
Horrible batting by Pakistan.
Thats what you get when you throw in the likes of Farhan Adil or Salman Butt, just because they scored 200s against some 3rd rate local academy teams in South Africa.
Pakistan is supposed to be looking for a consistent opening pair for a test team, Taufeeq had done a magnificent job, he did play some bad shots to get himself out but he was atleast consistent. I definitly don't mind if one of the openers goes out and scores 50 or 60 in almost every innings.
Australia played their big stars and their strongest side in both matches, even when they were 100% sure that they will dominate both tests against Bangalis.
I am glad that both Gul and Shabbir are doing a great job and Pakistan is still very certain of winning this match very comfortably, but the battings needs to be fixed, you can't experiment and drop players even when they are doing well.
Inzi has let us down once again, he doesn't have to be agressive to score runs.
In test matches and as well as one dayers, you try to build your innings and make your way to a 100.
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Please do tell us when was the last time he let us down?
He scored a 54 & 40 in 2 innings he has played so far.
And FYI, he is a keeper/batsman, his main priority is to be a keeper, why don't you blame Inzi, he has the most experience as a batsman.
Why are you singeling out Rashid Latif?
He led from the front in the first inning in Karachi when Pakistan lost 5 wickets on the early morning of day 2.
Thats one thing I despise about Pakistanis, in times of crisis we always look for a scapegoat, and since Rashid is the captain, blame all the misfortunes on him.
Its amazing the fact that everyone puts the blame on Latif as soon as he has a bad score and when he does well, no one seems to notice.
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Look who's talking. I don't make sweeping statements and change my opinion every two minutes. In case you have not noticed look at his score. Tell me something, you are quick to point out that he scored 54 and 40 in 2 innings he played so far. Obviously you are trying to tell us that these are very good score we shouldn't criticise him. Yet look through this thread and you will find that you think that despite the fact that Hafeez has scored 50 and 100+ in his innings according to you he does not warrant a place in the test side. Now extending your logic Rashid definitely does not deserve a test place because according to me 50 and 100 are greater scores than 54 and 40.
Rashid is the captain and therefore takes greater responsibility than the other players. That is not to say that others have performed any better, but a captain should lead by example and perform in time of crisis.
huh…
Idiot Jahil Latif.
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Look who's talking. I don't make sweeping statements and change my opinion every two minutes. In case you have not noticed look at his score. Tell me something, you are quick to point out that he scored 54 and 40 in 2 innings he played so far. Obviously you are trying to tell us that these are very good score we shouldn't criticise him. Yet look through this thread and you will find that you think that despite the fact that Hafeez has scored 50 and 100+ in his innings according to you he does not warrant a place in the test side. Now extending this your logic Rashid definitely does not deserve a test place because according to me 50 and 100 are greater scores than 54 and 40.
Rashid is the captain and therefore takes greater responsibility than the other players. That si not to say that others have performed any beter, but a captain should lead by example and in time of crisis perform.
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Hafeez played well and proved me wrong and I acknowledged that. I made those comments about Hafeez before he scored those 100 and a 50, and my opinion has changed. Compared to hafeez's batting in one dayers, he has changed his ability very much.
But once Latif scored a 54 not out because he ran out of partners in Karachi test, and scoring a 40 for someone coming at 6 or 7 is a very decent score.
Once again, he is a keeper/batsman, his main job is to give his best behind the stumps and contribute with the bat.
Being the captain doesn't mean that you have to be the highest scorer in the team everytime.
Thats the job of Inzi, Younis Khan and other so called "specialist" batsmen.
In your words, if Inzi or Youahan or Younis Khan don't score high, you say "OK they are just in bad form" but when Latif scores a rare below avg performance "he is not leading from the front"
Regardless of being a keeper/batsman, he has done better then most Pakistani batsmen for the past year.
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huh.....
Idiot Jahil Latif.
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Abey hater, Bangladesh has lost 15 wickets in first 2 days. Pakistani bowlers have finished them off early just like Rashid said.
Arey Umair bhai I am not going to get involved in a long slanging match with you but I am not defending Inzi or anyone for that matter. I saw Inzi get out today, it was really a very poor shot. The bottom line is that to me as a captain you have to rise above the others to lift your team and that is one of the qualities you should possess if you are going to be the captain. Furthermore, I said that Latif let the side down, which does not mean that I am advocating his removal as a captain. Far from it, I think he is doing a good job. But he needs to perform with the bat and rise above the others when the chips are down. That's what leadership is all about.
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Arey Umair bhai I am not going to get involved in a long slanging match with you but I am not defending Inzi or anyone for that matter. I saw Inzi get out today, it was really a very poor shot. The bottom line is that to me as a captain you have to rise above the others to lift your team and that is one of the qualities you should possess if you are going to be the captain. Furthermore, I said that Latif let the side down, which does not mean that I am advocating his removal as a captain. Far from it, I think he is doing a good job. But he needs to perform with the bat and rise above the others when the chips are down. That's what leadership is all about.
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I apologized for singeling you out but there are many others in this forum cursing and criticizing single players, while cricket is a game of team effort and not a one man's game.
Pakistan should easily win this one, unless they perform really horrible.
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Pakistan should easily win this one, unless they perform really horrible.
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I fear the worst, but would we get any credit for handing them FIRST test win after bringing them in by losing to them in WC 99?
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I fear the worst, but would we get any credit for handing them FIRST test win after bringing them in by losing to them in WC 99?
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Don't worry, Bangladesh will choke just like they have doing in this series so far.
If Pakistan are under 300, they should chase it.
1 bad batting performance doesn't paint the whole picture.
If Pakistan can bowl out the remaining Bangalis early morning tommorrow, then the match could be over tommorrow.
with Rajin Saleh the only remaining batsman from BD, they could score upto 120-150 which would mean we'll have to score 226-256 which does not seem to be difficult but you never know what happens tomorrow and day after.
Well I think Pakistan is going to win this one easily. The only way they can lose this one is if top order fails again tomorrow.
Yeah Pakistan will Inshallah win this but in ugly manner. OK lets assume that BD is better team after AUS visit still Pakistan should have beat them without going on the backfoot.
I am worried what will happen when SA will visit Pakistan.
Oh btw Pakistan is in the process of rebuilding the team so it should also leave out the cricketers who dont make them avaialble during the Pakistan matches and enjoy (or earn by) playing counties or clubs.
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Yeah Pakistan will Inshallah win this but in ugly manner. OK lets assume that BD is better team after AUS visit still Pakistan should have beat them without going on the backfoot.
I am worried what will happen when SA will visit Pakistan.
Oh btw Pakistan is in the process of rebuilding the team so it should also leave out the cricketers who dont make them avaialble during the Pakistan matches and enjoy (or earn by) playing counties or clubs.
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I think til yet i was the most pessimistic guppie in this thread (maybe i'm wrong in this) ..... but u know what ...... this Amir chap did surely went out to have a few words with Miandad ..... Miandad for sure had not a few but lots to say about the Pathetic performance sofar ..... which resulted in PAK getting their act together atleast for the rest of the day ..... the hope will be there that our Team keep this way of approach to end the series with a white wash ......
About the SA series:
I think the selectors will sat down again to take the odd newcomer out and put some experience into team but far more important will be their fearful mindset while batting because players like INZI, Yoyo, Younis, Rashid are at the moment mentally very fragile ..... something u ppl may have noticed while watching them batting .....
they now fear to make the mistake which may cost them their wicket and while living and playing with such fear world class player tend to make these mistake even against minnows ......
when bowlers like Mahmud can bring batsmen like INZI to make the mistake normaly a newbie or youngster does then it's not because the latter lacking in ability to compete but because it's seems an impossible task for him (the batsman) to dominate the bowler with such a mindset .....
And in such a situation the often a batsman is beaten by even a low class bowler the more he (the batsman) will struggle not agains him but all those he may play afterwards
Get a lesson from Mr. Dependable: Rahul Dravid ...... for those who have seen his innings against ENG (i think at Headingly) may understand what i mean