Pakistan troops 'lose faith in war on terror'

Why are we killing our own people for someone else interest? :frowning:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/19/wpak119.xml

Pakistan troops ‘lose faith in war on terror’

By Isambard Wilkinson in Islamabad
Last Updated: 2:33am BST 19/09/2007

Eighteen Pakistani soldiers have been killed by pro-Taliban militants, bringing to more than 1,000 the number who have died fighting their own countrymen in the US-led war on terror.

The troops were ambushed at a security post in the country’s North Waziristan tribal region, near the Afghan border, on Sunday night.

An official said some had had their throats cut.

The morale of Pakistani troops fighting terrorism on their own soil is coming under intense scrutiny. President Pervez Musharraf has repeatedly claimed that the country is defending its own interests by battling al-Qa’eda fighters and tribesmen aligned to the Taliban.

However, an increasing number of analysts have questioned the soldiers’ will to fight what many Pakistanis believe to be “someone else’s war”.

The number of military fatalities has soared since July, when a peace deal with militants broke down in North Waziristan and the army assaulted the radical Red Mosque in Islamabad. Last Thursday, 16 elite commandos were killed in a suicide attack on their canteen at a camp near the capital.

The previous week, two suicide bombers killed 25 people, many of them staff at the military’s main intelligence agency, in Rawalpindi.

The army’s willingness to fight against its fellow Pakistanis has been in particular doubt since Aug 30, when 248 soldiers were captured by tribal militants in South Waziristan without firing a shot.

A colonel and two majors were among those held.

Gen Naseerullah Babar, a former interior minister, said it was not a case of a loss of morale but of a reluctance to fight on the soldiers’ part. “Perhaps they are not convinced to fight against their own people,” he said.

Talat Masood, a retired lieutenant-general, wrote in a newspaper column earlier this week that it had been an “abject surrender”.

“For all practical purposes, the state has lost its authority and is in full retreat especially in Waziristan and Bajaur,” he wrote.

An army spokesman denied, however, that troops were reluctant to take up arms.

“There is no low morale in the army,” said Lt Col Baseer Haider. “They are fighting and that is how they are suffering losses.”

Referring to the capture of the battalion, he said the “facts cannot be ascertained as the troops are not here”. He added: “A situation developed where they preferred not to fire and they had to give up their weapons but that cannot be called a surrender.”

The military campaign in the tribal areas has coincided with political turmoil and uncertainty over the army leadership’s future.

Gen Musharraf must soon appoint a new army chief as his aides have said that he will resign his military position if he secures re-election as president next month.

But the general faces challenges in the supreme court over claims that he is ineligible to continue as head of state.

The United States, which has paid Pakistan at least $10 billion in mainly military aid over the past five years, has constantly demanded that Gen Musharraf “do more” in the war on terror.

A law was enacted earlier this year that links American aid to Pakistan’s performance in the conflict.

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Pakistan should pull out from there and let the US tackle them directly.

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Amazing. Other than our arm chair generals, our people aren't willing to kill other muslims. I suggest we round up our "killers" and send them into Waziristan themselves.

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suicide bombers aur opposition ko phir aap tackle karain gay? :phati:

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More of the same.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iziXqaVvfZazWvxivpw7cnCXIzzw

Militants kidnap seven more Pakistani soldiers

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) — Pro-Taliban militants abducted seven troops from a checkpost in northwest Pakistan in the latest kidnapping to rock the Pakistani military, officials said.

The Islamist insurgents surrounded the post at Tall in North West Frontier Province late Tuesday and abducted seven soldiers from the paramilitary Frontier Constabulary, senior police official Mirza Khan said.

“The soldiers informed their base that a large number of militants have surrounded their post,” he told AFP, adding that the rebels took them away before reinforcements could reach the area.

The Pakistani military has been hit by a series of abductions by Taliban-linked militants near the Afghan border, who have stepped up violence since July’s government raid on the radical Red Mosque in Islamabad.

Insurgents are still holding around 250 soldiers who surrendered without firing a shot in the tribal zone of South Waziristan nearly three weeks ago in a major blow to army morale.

Militants abducted another 15 soldiers in August in South Waziristan. One of the troops was beheaded by a group of teenage militants in a killing recorded on video, and the rest were freed later.

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^^ All of this just shows how much better trained and equipped the Americans are

If Pakistan would have invaded Iraq, we would have lost 100,000 men by now

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this what i said earliwer..man ...hosh kai nakhun lai..yai dictator..he is playing with most dangerous fire ..and people...

they are the most bravest and trained people of the world...the master of such guerilla fight..where Royal and red army could not do anything..what the hell we can do.....

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you live in Canada ..and sing songs of US soldiers bravery ....

the fearing rats US soldiers ...only eat cadburries...weep for thier girl friends in US..and rtake wet clothes in burning temperature of 52 C...

what they did is carpet bombing....and killing millions..then caged themselves in Green zne of baghdad..if they come outside ..killed in roadside bombs....

when your 3rd class candian soldiers die in Afghanistan..whole country start crying..while we have lost our 1000 brave soldiers....

they are trained for hollywood films...OK....and keep your praises to yourself....

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to mercenary2k

^^ in every thraed....in every post...your purpose is degrade your country..your armed forces..your customs..your rituals..degrading ..making fun of pakistan ..its culture..making fun of religious teachings..beard..hijaab..giving homo sex in pakistan..sometimes nudity....whats in your mind...and what the hell is problem with you...some mental problem....

tell me ..from which country you orginally belong....

were you not riginally born in pakistan....

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You obviously don't know anything about the current mission in Iraq, casualties figures or the training and bravery of US soldiers. Basically, your whole post here demsonstrates a complete lack of knowledge across the board.

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These are our so-called “countrymen” that you all love so much. I do not want to live in the same country with these animals who have no regard for Islamic values or human values. Taliban jihadis are worse than animals.

Not fighting them will not change their brutal nature, but just give them other targets to victimize. Be glad that our soldiers are fighting and dieing so that you and your families are safe from the barbarians.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/19/top2.htm
Mutilated bodies of 15 soldiers brought to Miramshah

By Our Correspondent

MIRAMSHAH, Sept 18: Bodies of 15 soldiers who had gone missing during recent clashes with militants in the Shawal area of the North Waziristan Agency were brought to Miramshah on Tuesday.

The bodies and two security personnel wounded in the clashes were brought from Pesh Ziarat area of Shawal in helicopters. Sources said that militants had captured these soldiers on Sunday night and killed all of them. One soldier was still missing, officials said.

Eighteen militants were also killed in the clashes near the Afghan border.

Witnesses told Dawn that the bodies of the soldiers had been badly mutilated and limbs of many of them had been chopped off.

The sources said that the militants had initially refused to hand over the soldiers’ bodies.

On Tuesday, political authorities sent local cleric Maulvi Roman Shah from Miramshah to Shawal to persuade them to hand over the bodies and two wounded soldiers. After negotiations, the militants handed over the bodies to some Jirga members.

Meanwhile security forces in the Datakhel area of North Waziristan came under attack Agency on Monday night, and three soldiers were wounded.

The sources said that militants used rockets and missiles in the attack.

Militants also targeted Jaler Post in the Mirali area on Monday night. No casualty was reported.

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There is clearly an issue here regarding Pak troops willingness to confront FATA based radical elements. FATA should be given practical independence and fenced off.

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Because the so called “our own” are a virus, trying to spread extremist views through terror and violence?

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It's amazing how some people cannot see such seemingly obvious things! The terrorists want to operate FATA as their own country, so they should be ready for the consequences.

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oh ..plz..enlighten us some bravery moves of US soldiers there..may be you will give Abu ghareeb "brave" abuses of iraqi women ...raping them and then burnt them ....my salute....

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why Musharraf is fighting against his own people..if they are fighting with US occupied forces in Afghanistan...whats our problem...cannot he politically deal ..with the problems...by saying that pakistan will not allow you to come back here for new attacks..in afghnsitan...why he is bombabing them..slaughtering them....as a reaction these mulahs are blowing up innocents anfd killind armed personals...

both are mad .....mullahs ..and dictator...

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Don’t worry Bhaijan. Nawaz Sharif is coming back next month to save Pakistan :hehe:

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Let's assess:

Pakistan govt has proven to be a failure; for survival, it has not only be a dictatrship but also one that cannot implement its own dictates!

Pakistan politicians and legislature has proven they're only capable cutting backroom deals for survival but for even that they need US push in the back!

Pakistan judiciary after a spark has now proven it is not for any ideals but to save themselves from prosecution! So much for iftikhar and the black (g)coats!

The religious establishment in spite of loud claims of moderation has clearly ensured that nobody can be ever proud of following islam! Well done

As to the economy, unless you're a trader or lucky to have license to export to India, you cannot succeed! Somehow people have been convinced that forex reserve and gdp are true and that's what matters, not std of life! Ah sheer heaven

What a hell hole man! How long before a kashmir war is started? Thatll fix everythingm....again! Right

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Okay lets say I agree with this whole lets kill other muslims idea. Why send in our troops? Simply load up a few F-16s and drop a payload of bombs in people?

Learn something from the americans. Our Military hasn't fought a war in 25 years and they can't even learn the mistakes others are making.

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Abu ghareeb is as representative of the American military as the massacre in East Pakistan is to the Pakistani army.