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*Originally posted by kaka_in_usa: *
Spock, my bro, 1942 is a different kind of movie. It doesnt show any real historic event. And they are not supposed to show each and every movement of that time. It is just a story of a small village. And BTW in 1942 pakistan was not formed so how can you expect them to pakistan movement.
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Haan, I agree wholeheartedly with you kaka-jee... Btw, the songs from 1942 were awesome!
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
Haan, I agree wholeheartedly with you kaka-jee... Btw, the songs from 1942 were awesome!
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My bad spock, i thought you werent sarcastic. Thnks for understanding.
Yeah you are right bro, songs of 1942 are still master piece.
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
A friend of mine wrote this, thought Id put it here...
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It reminds me of time when hollywood started showing movies in india in large scale.
You know that most of the hollywood movies are realeased in india on the same date as tehy are released else where. plus they release them in english, hindi, telugu etc at the same time.
Earlier the big block for popularity of hollywood movies was they were in english, but now ppl can watch them in their own language.
But did it affect bollywood industry?
No!!
infact bollywood started making better movies, they started taking services of hollywood technicians, stunt masters , etc etc.
Now we have better theatres who show holly and bolly movies. at the time when bollywood was not producing hit movies theatres small theatres were showing english movies which have guranteed number of viewers.
Now i watch both indian and hollywood movies in theatres and both are dear to me.
In 1965 they stopped showing Indian films in Pakistan. Before that because of the large Muslim viewers there were so many Muslim socials made like Mehboob ji Mehndi, Mere Mehboob, Chaudhavin ka Chaand with Muslim themes.
Now again there will be a surge of movies with Muslim themes.
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*Originally posted by kaka_in_usa: *
I dont know if you ppl noticed it but indian movies are not going to be shown 'as it is'. Of course they have to take certificate from pakistan censor board. The censorboard will not pass anything which is offensive and you might get a different version of indian movie.
So, irem dont worry about the nudity etc of indian movies, they will have the same standards as pakistani movies have.
And again, nobody is forced to watch a movie, let ppl make their own choice.
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Pakistani movies themselves are so low and show unethical scenes. The censor board passes them anyway. The worst used to be the pashto films.
Our moral standards are falling day by day. I still remember the day when PTV first showed a women in skirt and I was shocked and so was everyone around.
Now it is no big deal. We are the ones that have changed. Wrong does not seem wrong to us anymore. A day will come when we all will be resposible for each and every smallest deed - good or bad. Movies besides plain entertainment do not give the much needed information and education to the masses, who do not even know how to keep a road clean besides walking straight.
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
In my 17 years of living in karachi, I had gone to the theatre ONLY ONCE and that was to see "RETURN OF THE KINGKONG". If this doesnt give the complete picture of the state of not only the Pakistani Film industry but the Theatres that play them, then I dont know what will !!!
Not to say that we didnt watch movies, sure we did, like any patriotic Pakistani, we rented Hindi movies on a Daily Basis and then cursed the hell outta them on our way back home...but the point is WHY WHY oh WHY ????
My opinion is that up untill the 70's, Pakistani film industry pretty much competed with the Indian counterpart. Unfortunately after Mr. Zia brought himself into power, it started going down the tube. And ery succesfully did complete its path to the gutter in the 90's.
Pathetic attempts by Javaid Shaikh and company hold no ground in the world of Hollywood and Bollywood. "Yeh Dil Aap Ka Hua" was nothing but a long waste of time... Its dragged and dragged and lacked a strong storyline and stalled like a 50's Hollywood movie.
Anyway...enough with the Bashing already...Here are a few Advantages of The Indian Cinema COming to Pakistan. If you like, you can add your thought to the thread....
The revival of Middle Class going back to the Theatre.
a) This will benefit the current theatre operators/owners and new Theatres would have to open, generating thousands of Jobs !!!
b) Social Re-direction will occur. This means that the folks who dont have an entertainment source out there, and believe me that in Pakistan there are only a few of them out there, will have somewhere to hang out and spend money.
Actors.
a) Pakistani Actors are promised jobs in Indian theatre.
b) This will not only provide jobs to the desperate Actors/Actresses in Pakistan, but will put them in an environment where they will get to learn amoung the World's second largest Movie Industry. As the acting levels in Pakistan Suck !!!
Writers/Poets
a) As you might have noticed that Indian movies are written in Urdu !!! This means oppertunities for our writers. If you look closely, most of the writers in Indian Film Idustry are Muslim/Urdu Speaking people and the best musicians and the best poets are muslims/urdu speaking people which Pakistan has a TON of !!!
b) A channel will be created to disperse all of this talent that pretty much has been dormant ever since the collapse of the Film industry in Pakistan.
Producers
a) Film Producers in Pakistan dont have as much money as the Indians, but can come up with certain amounts if push comes to shove. The question is whether if they have the expertise of coming up with A Grade movies. Indian Producers and film makers through their experience, gained the formulae to make good movies and our people can certainly learn from them.
Overall I see it as a positive sign and will help Pakistani Media get more competitive. Its also an excellent learning oppertunity for the pakistani film industry.
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Excellent article. I must say the writer was paid well by the film association. I have a better idea. Let's open bars all across the country. Just imagine how many people will benefit. Tourists will rush to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan; so many jobless will get jobs; new wine farms will come up; Pakistan will get a name all over the world for moderation; so many people walking on streets without jobs will be employed in the alochol business; the socity will have a positive impact as they will get a chance to relax by having a drink or two in the bars......strip shows and dancing may follow.......blah blah blah..... What do you think.,,,lets open up Pakistan a little.....and maybe merge the borders later........
I think this way the economic revival would speed up and the sleeping nation will not even notice, since tehy are already intoxicated.
This is for those like islamabad who think watching a hindi movie will ruin his chances to curry favor with the arab masters.
some hindi movie poster in arabic.
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ab chup chaap movie dekh warna!
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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
Excellent article. I must say the writer was paid well by the film association. I have a better idea. Let's open bars all across the country. Just imagine how many people will benefit. Tourists will rush to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan; so many jobless will get jobs; new wine farms will come up; Pakistan will get a name all over the world for moderation; so many people walking on streets without jobs will be employed in the alochol business; the socity will have a positive impact as they will get a chance to relax by having a drink or two in the bars......strip shows and dancing may follow.......blah blah blah..... What do you think.,,,lets open up Pakistan a little.....and maybe merge the borders later........
I think this way the economic revival would speed up and the sleeping nation will not even notice, since tehy are already intoxicated.
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So anyone who writes in favour of the screening is paid by the film association. I bet Chandbeti/Queer are also on their payroll right? Let go of this mullahistic mentality, and learn to reason PROPERLY... Your analogy with wine didnt make any sense. PROVE to me what negative consequences the screenings will have.
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So anyone who writes in favour of the screening is paid by the film association. I bet Chandbeti/Queer are also on their payroll right? Let go of this mullahistic mentality, and learn to reason PROPERLY... Your analogy with wine didnt make any sense. PROVE to me what negative consequences the screenings will have.
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^^
hey , you forgot to mention my name.
Why r u making me jobless.....
Disadvatages of Indian movies in Pakistan
A vast majority of lower middle class Pakistanis have little access to Indian propaganda. When movies are allowed on cinemas, these uneducated people will get affected by the Indian venom in their movies. So much anti_Pakistan propaganda.
A mixing of cultures and a deterioration of values. Although many poeple already watch Indian movies, but making it more easier will cause the state to support such an indecent act.
Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Pakistani movies need to be improved first. They are in the wrong direction. I do not deny the power of media in bringing a positive change in the society. Lets reform our own film industry first. Why are people not watching Pakistani movies? Because they have no difference, same stupid love stories, below standard acting and no sense of direction. People would rather watch Indian women rather than stupid Pakistani actresses, who over act.
See the cinema in Iran. They are much better at producing movies while women still wear hijaab. If we allow Indian movies what difference remains between us and Indians? If media is the same, culture is the same, laws are similar, they why a separate state? I am not a mullah imposing my views on others, and neither will my opposition change what is going on the land of the pure. But these are genuine concerns we must think about.
Once We allow Indian movies in Pakistan openly, the people would get deeply affected by the intense and sweet Indian propaganda. Common sense is not common and not everyone is wise enough to differentiate between right and wrong when already the state media is looked down upon. We would be severely vulnerable to their way of thinking and ideas. In a greater plan of things, seem like the introductory steps of reunification or atleast formation of a confederation with India which the governent is following.
That will be the day I would tear my Pakistani passport or burn it. US would be as dear to me as Pakistan since it was not a country created for Islam and following nothing of Islam. Atleast it is what it claims to be.
I believe that after a person establishes salat five times a day in jamaat and becomes firm on it, he would start seeing things differently.
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*Originally posted by sambrialian: *
from what I can see here, the people who want Indian movies in Pakistan are only Indians (moviemakers or otherwise). only Pakistani in Pakistan who participated in this thread said no to Indian movies. so, I don't understand why you keep on saying Pakistani citizens want it. I haven't heard of any public lobby group ask for the screening of Indian movies.
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bhai, then the theatre will stay empty and the Bindians will go back home with their tails between their legs. Happy?
Aren’t you the guy who would be happy to see Islamabad nuked as long as India got nuked too? Why was that? Oh yes, because the arabs are still there so it’s ok :k:
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*Originally posted by kaka_in_usa: *
It reminds me of time when hollywood started showing movies in india in large scale.
But did it affect bollywood industry?
No!!
infact bollywood started making better movies, they started taking services of hollywood technicians, stunt masters , etc etc.
Now we have better theatres who show holly and bolly movies. at the time when bollywood was not producing hit movies theatres small theatres were showing english movies which have guranteed number of viewers.
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Good point Kaka!!
I am hoping that the Pakistani film industry would only benefit from the Indian movies.
Does it really matter considering so many people in Pakistan (well, at least in Karachi) have access to satellite dishes where they watch all Indian channels anyway?
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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
Does it really matter considering so many people in Pakistan (well, at least in Karachi) have access to satellite dishes where they watch all Indian channels anyway?
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The Indian channels on satellites, all come in a variety of expensive pay packages, that for which one has to purchase an expensive decoder and the subscriptions. As for cable, there was a Government imposed ban on these channels. Furthermore, these satellite channels do not show brand new Bollywood movies, which can be shown on theaters.
Spock, my point was that Indian entertainment is being beamed into countless homes anyway. So does showing movies at local cinemas really make any difference considering people watch Indian soap operas in their homes? The bottomline is that there is a market for Indian entertainment in Pakistan.
^^ I think that would be something the theatre goers will have to put up with. Since the VCD of the Indian movie reaches Pak the same day the movie is released in India if not the day before. It will be interesting to see how well the Pakis are able to fight the piracy and make money off of these movies.
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The Indian channels on satellites, all come in a variety of expensive pay packages, that for which one has to purchase an expensive decoder and the subscriptions. As for cable, there was a Government imposed ban on these channels. Furthermore, these satellite channels do not show brand new Bollywood movies, which can be shown on theaters.
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Pakistani government is planning to lift the ban on Indian TV channels soon.
Bollywood blockade
By Zafar Samdani
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/images/images2.htm
Positions on the import of Indian movies seem to be hardening and a debate on the issue is warming up. One segment in the industry feels that, if allowed to be screened at local theatres freely, they would sound the death knell of whatever is left of the Pakistan film industry, while traders and exhibitors say that Indian films are the only option for reviving cinema in Pakistan , thereby ensuring that the few theatres that still remain do not fade away like the hundreds of cinema halls across the country that have been demolished to make way for commercial structures.
Among those who consider the import of Indian movies vital for Pakistani cinema is Shaukat Zaman Khan, who has been a member of the film industry of Pakistan in some capacity or the other all his life. Starting as a small-time, third-party exhibitor at a very young age, he stuck it out to become the chairman of the All Pakistan Producers, Association, and the president of Distributors Association. He is currently the Chairman of FPCCI’s Standing Committee on Film Production and Censor Board.
His arguments follow two tracks. One, the performance of the national film industry during the early post-Partition years owed a lot to the import of Indian films because they created resources for investment in film production. Two, with video versions available in ever nook and corner of the country, cable channels televising the latest Indian movies and Indian TV networks screening a number of films every day, Indian cinema is already well-entrenched and widely viewed in Pakistan.
“It is very much a part of the entertainment available to the people; it is a reality of our life and denying its presence and role in local life is tantamount to self-deception. Why recognize reality and incorporate in the scheme of entertainment in Pakistan,” he asks.
“If Indian films could be screened at a time when the wounds of the traumatic experience of 1947 were bleeding, when railway trains were bringing in the dead, the dying and the injured, why can’t the same be done now?” wonders Shaukat Zaman.
He also emphasizes another reality. A number of Pakistani artists have now signed Indian productions. Many filmmakers are coordinating with Indian producers and technicians, and obtaining professional facilities from Mumbai. This, he says, had been happening in the past but in a clandestine manner. There is no need for secrecy anymore.
Referring to the state of the national film industry, Shaukat Zaman says it’s a mess. This is an understatement as locally produced films are at their lowest ebb. Technical values have been plummeting and professionalism is a casualty. Whose fault is it? Obviously, of the people in the industry to which he himself belongs.
He reminds us that Gen Ziaul Haq went out of the way to create conditions for undermining, indeed destroying, the Pakistan film industry. He recalls that filmmakers were required to get themselves registered under MLO 81 in 1980, which halted all production-related activity. No one was registered as a producer for over a year and numerous under-production films were abandoned, causing massive losses to the industry. Films were required to be censored anew and the long-drawn process left exhibitors without material for screening.
The most negative by-product of the policies was paving the way for illegal circulation of foreign, including Indian movies, on video. Professional distributors and exhibitors who had made heavy investment in the film business had to close shop. Video shops that mushroomed all over the country replaced them, offering a variety of movies at throw-away prices.
Since western films were available in these outlets, the film distributors who imported foreign films for the theatres were left high and dry as their video versions were already available in the market. The business of film production was ruined by the registration requirement and a ban on the screening of films without a new censor certificate hurt exhibition openings. Ultimately, it led to the large-scale demolition of theatres.
Mr Khan says that he made a lot of effort to get the Copyright Act passed, but its application was inefficient and hence of no benefit to the industry.
“There was a time,” Zaman says, “when the film industry in Bombay awaited the reception for the film in a major theatre in Lahore. It was more important to Indian filmmakers than their films’ performance in major Indian cities. Today, only six main theatres serve the Pakistan film industry and if things do not change for the better, even these may not survive for long.”
Even worse has been the exit of professional investors from the industry. The vacuum that was created was filled by illegal and tainted resources that brought its own culture. Over the years, it has led to illegal activities and criminals who have put their stamp on the Pakistan film industry.
The lack of training facilities to meet professional requirements has led to no fresh talent in any area of film production. Zaman regrets that there is no training institution in Pakistan, terming it as one of the major hurdles in its progress.
This is a bleak scenario for Shaukat Zaman, but not that can be changed. “The way out is to import Indian films and co-productions with India. It will bring money to the cash-strapped industry and rejuvenate film-production activity. But that is not all, the government should come up with support for the film industry,” he says.
The Punjab government has allotted 100 acres of land for a film village and Sindh should do likewise to promote the business in Karachi, that used to be a production centre in the past.
An issue marring the import of Indian movies is that many filmmakers have been making films based on anti-Pakistan scripts. Zaman feels that local importers would select their material from the viewpoint of Pakistan’s market and national policies, and there is no need to entertain propaganda films.
He feels that the recent developments in the relations between Pakistan and India has had a positive impact on Indian films. He cites the example of Mein Hoon Na that had undergone a change in the script to further cement relations between the two countries.
^ Mr. Zaman needs to be exported to India. I am sure he would benefit himslef and others a lot especially in this world.