Ok so there's a wealth of talented movie directors but they are waiting until the current bunch die or vanish somewhere. But in the meantime Indians aren't sitting on their hands and want to offer films to the Pakistani public and the cinema lobby want to accomodate them. Now can you really blame them, they need customers to buy tickets and while our talented bunch of directors are boycotting the citizens of Pakistan, Indians are willing to give them what they want?
Khakee was not anti pakistan in anyway. There was lot of scopr for it in the story but director avoided it.
Farooq Khan from Houston who screens Indian films in two locations says that almost 50% of the collections he gets for Indian films is from Pakistanis.
And I dont think all Pakistanis in Houston who go to Indian films are from Mazdoor class.
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what they want?
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from what I can see here, the people who want Indian movies in Pakistan are only Indians (moviemakers or otherwise). only Pakistani in Pakistan who participated in this thread said no to Indian movies. so, I don't understand why you keep on saying Pakistani citizens want it. I haven't heard of any public lobby group ask for the screening of Indian movies.
besides, who cares about the peoople. the people of Pakistan can't even freaking elect their own government representative. you think they will have a say in this matter? this is an exclusive arrangement made between our third class film industry and the government. there is no public involvement here.
there can only be one of two reasons why the industry or related people would want Indian movies in Pakistani cinemas. both of which are equally hollow with respect to the future of the Pakistani film and none of them have anything to do with the Pakistani public.
1) this will improve Pakistani movies standards.
now, this is completely relative. I don't think it will and you also said yourself Indian movies are not much better. making Indianish movies is not going to make Pakistani movies world class, at best it will make them rip offs of Indian movies.
2) this will put people in seats.
I disagree with that too. going to the cinema to watch movies has become something of a class-symbol for the lower classes. the mazdoor class that goes to watch big Anjuman shake it will go watch Indian movies. others will continue to abstain. why?
have you been to a cinema in Pakistan? people don't go to the cinema because of the kind of things that are in there 24/7, not so much because of the movies being screened. you will get people smoking without regard for the next guy, catcalls, porn scenes thrown in every now and then for good measure etc. therefore, females generally avoid cinemas and therefore, families don't go. and the cinemas suffer. now, explain to me how screening Indian movies will change that? most families will still not go watch Indian movies especially the current ones in the theatre.
so, what does this solve? nothing.
only way for Pak industry to improve it to wait for these 40-50 year old directors to move on to bigger and better things such as organizing live mujras in heera mandi and the like. as long as you keep on making efforts to shield or revive the industry with artificial measures, the industry will keep on breathing without improving or going anywhere. what we need is a fresh start as the likes of Jami etc have demanded.
besides, I don't think that this whole thing will last that long. it will be a hell of a lot of fun for a family to go to an Indian movie after learning that their son has been martyred on heights of Siachen because a brave Indian James Bond played by Sunny Deol decided wreak havoc on all the corrupt, immoral, and not to forget completely incompetent Pakistani soldiers.
someone give this melodramatic idiot a lussi. 
someone give the fag a real good kick in his arse.
kicks bambi real well in his arse
ah, yes. the good old "turn it around and use it on you" trick. very mature. we used to do that back in nursery school. them were the days...
Cursed be the decision makers in Pakistan. Tomorrow, cinema makers will say lets show porn since the demand is high and profits low. Maybe in a few years our moral standards and following of Islam will become so weak that it will happen also.
This is where amar bil maroof and nahi anil munkar comes in. If we Muslims don't do that, we are all doomed. Remaining silent is like supporting the evil. What has happened to Muslims these days. Showing Indian films my foot. To hell with India and their Indian films. That was not what Pakistan was created for. I start imaginging how the agenda of reunification is under full swing. First make the culture similar, then allow the wahyaat and obscene films from India, and then say oh we are the same. Tomorrow the stray nation will say lets join India. It will be easier to watch those films.
Not only Indian, even Pakistani cinema should be closed. Lash the Pakistani actors on the road in front of crowds. Evil is evil, no matter Indian, American or Pakistani.
Pakistan ka Allah hafiz.
1942 A love story, I didnt find anything even remotely anti-pakistani in that movie
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Well it's not as if the quality of Indian films is all that either...
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Quality in the sense of using cameras that are not from the 1970's :)
The technical quality should atleast improve. Indians like Paks make trashy movies too.
Irem, this is hypocrisy at it’s best. It’s amazing how you put down Indian movies on gs and go back to your home just to watch the same movies with much joy and comeback on GS and open threads about them discussing how Devdas loved paro better and shyte. So it’s okay if you watch the cheap hip movements, but the rest of the pakistani quom shouldn’t be exposed to that evil?
Sambri: 1942-a love story..is nothing but a love story..nothing anti-paki about it and Khakhee has no mention of pak or anything, on the contrary it was pro-muslim.
Chandbeti, the reason why I mentioned 1942- a love story was there was absolutely no mention made or even a hint of the Pakistan movement in it. artistic liberty is fine but to totally deny historical facts is idiotic. even then, whether ONE specific example I gave is anti-Pak or not is completely irrelevant. but to advance the discussion, lets say that it is not anti-Pakistan and neither is Kahkhee. but can you deny what I wrote about the rest of them?
simple fact of the matter is that the Indian film industry produces anti-Pakistan movies even during the current peace drive which btw is their right. it is their country, they make their movies for their people. so, all I'm saying is that when you start screening Indian movies, why don't they start by screening the movies I mentioned because from what I've read they were quite successful with the Indian people. should be a real eye opener for Pakistani people too methinks. waisay, if you guys are patriotic, some of us Pakistanis can be patriotic too. why is that so hard for you folks to accept? unless Indians have a monopoly on patriotism?
also, can you please get off Irem's case a little bit. it's getting old. she has said many times that she's stopped watching Indian movies. therefore, she's completely justified in saying that Indian movies should not be screened in Pakistan though her reasons for saying so are different than mine.
sambri: about Irem, she said she does not watch Indian movies anymore like 100 times before, but she responds in ever bollywood thread. read her review on the latest bolly movie "hum tum". Apparently she hasn't stopped watching the movies.
And sambri, the ratio of anti-pak crap to the total crap is negligible..while the successful( on box office) anti-pak crap to successful crap ratio is even lesser. I think Border, Gadar and sarfarosh were quite successful..but the recent ones have bombed on the box office. You are picking on <1% of bolly movies.
To me, it doesnt matter if they allow Indian movies to be screened, but the fact still remains, that the movies have great demand amongst the masses in Pakistan, and thats a big slap in the face for everyone against the screening.
CB, Bollywood should start mentioning the Pakistan Movement in every movie they make from now on, or we wont watch it, even if the movie has nothing to do with Pakistan, or is merely a love story having nothing to do with factual history (like 1942).
A friend of mine wrote this, thought Id put it here...
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In my 17 years of living in karachi, I had gone to the theatre ONLY ONCE and that was to see "RETURN OF THE KINGKONG". If this doesnt give the complete picture of the state of not only the Pakistani Film industry but the Theatres that play them, then I dont know what will !!!
Not to say that we didnt watch movies, sure we did, like any patriotic Pakistani, we rented Hindi movies on a Daily Basis and then cursed the hell outta them on our way back home...but the point is WHY WHY oh WHY ????
My opinion is that up untill the 70's, Pakistani film industry pretty much competed with the Indian counterpart. Unfortunately after Mr. Zia brought himself into power, it started going down the tube. And ery succesfully did complete its path to the gutter in the 90's.
Pathetic attempts by Javaid Shaikh and company hold no ground in the world of Hollywood and Bollywood. "Yeh Dil Aap Ka Hua" was nothing but a long waste of time... Its dragged and dragged and lacked a strong storyline and stalled like a 50's Hollywood movie.
Anyway...enough with the Bashing already...Here are a few Advantages of The Indian Cinema COming to Pakistan. If you like, you can add your thought to the thread....
The revival of Middle Class going back to the Theatre.
a) This will benefit the current theatre operators/owners and new Theatres would have to open, generating thousands of Jobs !!!
b) Social Re-direction will occur. This means that the folks who dont have an entertainment source out there, and believe me that in Pakistan there are only a few of them out there, will have somewhere to hang out and spend money.Actors.
a) Pakistani Actors are promised jobs in Indian theatre.
b) This will not only provide jobs to the desperate Actors/Actresses in Pakistan, but will put them in an environment where they will get to learn amoung the World's second largest Movie Industry. As the acting levels in Pakistan Suck !!!Writers/Poets
a) As you might have noticed that Indian movies are written in Urdu !!! This means oppertunities for our writers. If you look closely, most of the writers in Indian Film Idustry are Muslim/Urdu Speaking people and the best musicians and the best poets are muslims/urdu speaking people which Pakistan has a TON of !!!
b) A channel will be created to disperse all of this talent that pretty much has been dormant ever since the collapse of the Film industry in Pakistan.Producers
a) Film Producers in Pakistan dont have as much money as the Indians, but can come up with certain amounts if push comes to shove. The question is whether if they have the expertise of coming up with A Grade movies. Indian Producers and film makers through their experience, gained the formulae to make good movies and our people can certainly learn from them.
Overall I see it as a positive sign and will help Pakistani Media get more competitive. Its also an excellent learning oppertunity for the pakistani film industry.
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To me, it doesnt matter if they allow Indian movies to be screened, but the fact still remains, that the movies have great demand amongst the masses in Pakistan, and thats a big slap in the face for everyone against the screening.
CB, Bollywood should start mentioning the Pakistan Movement in every movie they make from now on, or we wont watch it, even if the movie has nothing to do with Pakistan, or is merely a love story having nothing to do with factual history (like 1942).
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Spock, my bro, 1942 is a different kind of movie. It doesnt show any real historic event. And they are not supposed to show each and every movement of that time. It is just a story of a small village. And BTW in 1942 pakistan was not formed so how can you expect them to pakistan movement.
Its a kind of movie both nations should be proud of. It is about our common history when we were united.
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I think spock was being sarcastic..believe me, his intentions are good. :-p
I dont know if you ppl noticed it but indian movies are not going to be shown 'as it is'. Of course they have to take certificate from pakistan censor board. The censorboard will not pass anything which is offensive and you might get a different version of indian movie.
So, irem dont worry about the nudity etc of indian movies, they will have the same standards as pakistani movies have.
And again, nobody is forced to watch a movie, let ppl make their own choice.