Pakistan 'suicide blast kills 35' (merged)

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When was Maulana Haroon-ur-Rashid of the Jamaat-e-Islami a beacon of truth?

Aside from all the arguments about the Bajur attack, I personally believe that the anti-terrorist operations in FATA are an abolsute necessity. The Pakistani army lost many, many more men when ZAB started the operation against the Balochi traitors in the 1970's and when BB and Babar went after the MQM rats in the 1990's scores of rangers and policeman lost their lives. The same old garbage that we were facing a 1971-situation was oft repeated back then as well, but in the end we defeated those terrorist and we will defeat these people as well.

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What is the regime of the military dictator Musharraf is trying to hide? Why the lawyer and journalists are not allowed to visit the madarsa where some 80 innocent children lost their lives.

Lawyers and journalists manhandled on way to Bajaur

** Bureau Report**
PESHAWAR, Nov 6: A fact-finding team of lawyers went to the village of Chingai in Bajaur Agency on Monday after tribesmen thwarted an attempt by the political authorities to stop them from visiting the area.

The team recorded statements of scores of tribesmen regarding last week’s aerial attack on a seminary in which 82 people were killed.

The members of the team said that personnel of the levy force intercepted the convoy of lawyers, journalists and tribesmen near Sadiqabad checkpoint and asked them to go back.

Kareem Mehsud, a member of the team, said that the lawyers and journalists were manhandled. He added that a scuffle took place between tribesmen and levy officials when the former warned of severe consequences if the guests from Peshawar were stopped from going to the destroyed seminary. An official of the political authorities summoned five tribal journalists and questioned them about activities of the team.

“The tehsildar asked various questions, including whether the lawyers had taken any picture or made any movie which could tarnish the image of the agency,” said one of the journalists.

He said that some journalists, including private television channel correspondent Nowsherwan Qalander, had been beaten up by the levy personnel.

The six-member team was constituted by the Peshawar High Court Bar Association and the Peshawar Bar Association.

“The situation turned tense when levy jawans encircled us and asked us to return back. Tribesmen gathered there and told levy officials that the team would visit the madrassah at all costs,” Mr Mehsud said.

The tribesmen said that the team members were their guests and they would not allow anyone to insult them or stop them from going to the site of the aerial attack.

Mr Qalander confirmed that the members of the team and the journalists accompanying them had been manhandled by levy jawans. He said that local journalists were summoned by the administration and told to keep ‘national interests’ in mind while covering such events.

Mr Mehsud said that most of the tribesmen believed that the attack had been carried out by the US.

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Shawaiz_K:

Hmm .. what a thought. Ayaz Amir saying something and we should bow :). Do you know anything about Ayaz Amir?

Before one even take what Ayaz Amir wrote seriously, just tell that why a person should trust or even respect what thief number two, that is Mr Nawaz Shareef (first being Zardari) and his goon says?

Ayaz Amir is a Nawaz Shareef goon. He even fought election in 2002 on the ticket of PML (Nawaz) and lost. Now, since when a political goon of a corrupt party [PML(N)] is credible?

Now look what he wrote:

Do you know what he means from what he wrote? He means that politicians like his master ‘Nawaz Shareef’ and NS new mistress partner ‘BB’ should never be touched even if they are thief, corrupt, plunderer or whatever. For politicians, they should be above the constitution and all wealth of Pakistan is their property while all living in Pakistan should consider themselves as their slaves.

As for army, they should guard the country from outside attack and let these politicians (and their goon, one of whom is Ayaz Amir) loot the country from inside.

Why let them politicians loot the country? Because these corrupt and thief politicians do not consider themselves someone to serve Pakistan but they consider that Pakistan and army of Pakistan should serve them. That is why on one TV program (with P J Mir) Bai-Nazeer said that, ‘he (President Musharraf) might be your president but for me, he is my general’ as if she is the queen of Pakistan and Pakistan army is her personal army.

Man, one cannot imagine how low these people and their corrupt supporters can fall.

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Degas nay farmaya

** expected a better resposnce from u than some of the guys here.. **

sorry to not meet our expectations but it is a logical question. One that no one has answers for.

*main reason for attacking the madrassa as assessed by most here in Pakistan is the peace deal that wa sto take place exactly 5 hours from the attach the same morning.. it was second of its kind after waziristan deal which had made USA so angry few days back.. *

the peace deal which failed miserably because ppl who agreed to the deal were later killed in cross border raids which basically meant they were liars and deceivers. Additionally , the fate of the tribal elders is also known. killed by this neo tribals

*madrassa was a boardinh house as most of these are.. *

I have heard that the madrassa was infact NOT a boarding school. many madrassas are and many are not. so what is it, iis it a boarding school or is it not one?

35 students were hafiz-e-quran.. just by assuming the the kids were being indoctrined doesnt mean tio kill them all and celebrate..

just because one is hafiz does not mean one is not a terrorist.

** i have met people from waziristan where army have in past killed scores of innocents and claimed them as terrorists.. **

right, so waziristan has no terrorists there?

right now there is not much info, and I will wait to see what comes up, just like u dont trust the govt, i dont trust the tribals.

ppl point to supposed botch ups by govt in the past, I also look at the intelligence that allowed them to capture many terrorists hiding in cities. I have no reason to doubt the intelligence info here.

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same could be asked of you, the previous list provided had 78 ppl in it.
now are these 37 above and beyond those 78 or was that list of 78 bogus?

additionally, maybe the other 43/44 were foriegners and thus have no national ID.

whatcha think
?

4 Wives
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sa1eem thanks for writing more about ayaz amir's background. It was needed to show his bias as well.

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God bless the martyrs whose lives were mercilessly ended by some fanatic.
For all I know, killing innocent humans is a deadly sin, and the army if ever, does it far less than the self-proclaimed jihadis of some sort or another who are on some divine mssion and always end up killing their own fellow country men and Muslims, almost never any 'real' enemies of their beloved Islam, which they even themselves dont follow completely.

God bless the innocent deceased, from whichever side.

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Sa1eem, yeah, thanks for the Ayaz Amir analysis. I've always wanted to know how and why he got out of the Army. Some ppl say he was kicked out and hence the sour taste he carries; it seems logical. The Army is always much better without freaks like him. I learned recently that he was the course mate of our present CJCSC Gen Ehsan-ul-Haq. From the 41st PMA LC I think.

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** Hmm .. what a thought. Ayaz Amir saying something and we should bow :). Do you know anything about Ayaz Amir?

Before one even take what Ayaz Amir wrote seriously, just tell that why a person should trust or even respect what thief number two, that is Mr Nawaz Shareef (first being Zardari) and his goon says?

Ayaz Amir is a Nawaz Shareef goon. He even fought election in 2002 on the ticket of PML (Nawaz) and lost. Now, since when a political goon of a corrupt party [PML(N)] is credible?**

Ayaz Amir has often criticized Nawaz Sharif. It doesn't make him a goon of NS if has has once taken part in any election on the PML ticket. He is also an ex army captain.

** Now look what he wrote:

Do you know what he means from what he wrote? He means that politicians like his master ‘Nawaz Shareef’ and NS new mistress partner ‘BB’ should never be touched even if they are thief, corrupt, plunderer or whatever. For politicians, they should be above the constitution and all wealth of Pakistan is their property while all living in Pakistan should consider themselves as their slaves.

****As for army, they should guard the country from outside attack and let these politicians (and their goon, one of whom is Ayaz Amir) loot the country from inside.

NO, he never said anything like that anywhere. you seem to have got a worrying habit of misreading, miscomprehending and misquoting.

Why let them politicians loot the country? Because these corrupt and thief politicians do not consider themselves someone to serve Pakistan but they consider that Pakistan and army of Pakistan should serve them. That is why on one TV program (with P J Mir) Bai-Nazeer said that, ‘he (President Musharraf) might be your president but for me, he is my general’ as if she is the queen of Pakistan and Pakistan army is her personal army.

Man, one cannot imagine how low these people and their corrupt supporters can fall**                             .

What Benazir said and what Nawaz Sharif did is not being discussed here. Stick to the topic at hand....

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I didn't say about the 78 list provided was The List, but now its coming out of horses mouth it should be complete and authentic information, shouldn't it?

Did government say that the 43/44 were foreigners? Don't cook something on govt's behalf.

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ya but if they are foreign terrorists then they dont carry ID cards

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Haris Zuberi and Fraudz: You are welcome brother :)

shawaiz_K:

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What Benazir said and what Nawaz Sharif did is not being discussed here. Stick to the topic at hand....
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I am sticking to the topic. You brought up an article from your guru and told all us kids that we should read him and believe him. Obviously, one reads and believes someone that has some credible background and has no interest in what that person writing other then academic interest.

Thus, I reminded you that the guru you want all us kids to believe is goon of corrupt-king (aka Nawaz Shareef) and fought election in 2002 on the ticket of PML (N). An election held by Musharraf that Ayaz Amir lost miserably.

Thus, obviously what he would write would write with that background. He must be feeling the pinch of not being able to loot and plunder as goon of Nawaz, while his corruption King (Nawaz) is out of power.

Hence, knowing his background, I question (rightly too) what he wrote and his motives of anything he writes.

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Okay so one thing has been established then, the list provided by the tribals was bogus.

As far as information coming out, just that tidbid of info has shown that the militant tribals are cooking stuff up.

lastly I am not cooking anything on govt’s behalf, I am merely suggesting a possibility. Next time you question something or present a hypothesis should I say you are cooking something on the terrorists behalf? :slight_smile:

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He is not my guru, nobody is my guru. I am a free soul, I say what I consider to be truth and quote those who I think are right on the button.

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Good point. Now that it is all computerised it is very, very hard if not impossible for any foreigner (let alone 43/44) to get hold of Pakistani NIC’s. So all these other people must indeed have been foreigners.

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wouldn't then govt be chest-thumping and show that the missile killed 43/44 foreigners (which are very likely to believed as Al-CIAdas)?

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Not really, whats established is that you can't trust just either govt or just the locals, you have to converge somewhere in between.

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As far as information coming out, just that tidbid of info has shown that the militant tribals are cooking stuff up.
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Yes tribals may be cooking something which will be very bad for the nation of Pakistan, but this would be as result of us feeding them something wrong.

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lastly I am not cooking anything on govt's behalf, I am merely suggesting a possibility. Next time you question something or present a hypothesis should I say you are cooking something on the terrorists behalf? :)
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correct (shouldn't have used word 'cooking'), but atleast comeup with something better.

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And Ayaz Amir has often rued the day he decided to take part in elections.

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Shawaiz_K: hmm sorry, I thought that Ayaz Amir is your guru. It was nice to know that Ayaz Amir is not your guru. :)

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Regarding partial list of blasted terrorists, by Government:**

Information, having partial list of names, given by government, shows that government is serious and truthful. The reason being that, government gave the information of all what they could collect and since they could not collect enough information of others, government restrained themselves into cooking up things. Else, if government were cooking up the names, we would have had complete list of all blasted terrorists.

As for tribal, since their information was mostly cooked, they made up complete list within no time (of cooked names).

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captain so if it came down between trusting the govt which has provided names and NIC numbers versu tribals who had a bogus list basically, who would you trust?

dont forget the same tribals had said way before any of this started that there were no miltants in the area, and that they were not workign with militants and all that pack of lies...this is way before any action was taken against them.

lets use longer term memory, just go back a few years rather than 6-12 months