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These renown Shia haters were once army’s best buddies. All such organizations were anyway created and nurtured by the Pakistan army. You wanted Jihad, you got Jihad.

‘Most Bajaur victims were under 20’](The News International: Latest News Breaking, World, Entertainment, Royal News)

By Yousaf Ali

PESHAWAR: Only three victims of October 30 Bajaur operation were above the age of 20, including the principal of the seminar, Maulana Liaqat Ali, while most of the rest were in their teens and some even below 10 years.

A list compiled by some locals of the area on the directives of Maulana Haroonur Rashid, member of the National Assembly and vice-president of Jamaat-e-Islami for tribal areas made the above startling claim.

Talking to The News, Haroonur Rashid said: “We managed to compile a list comprising the ages and addresses of those who fell prey so that we could tell the world that there was no terrorist in the madrassa and no militancy training was going on there.”

According to this information, Principal Maulana Liaqat Ali, too, was relatively young at 34. He was a resident of Inamkhwaro Chingai in Mamond tehsil of Bajaur Agency, where the seminary was located. Almost all of them were natives of the agency and its adjacent districts. Of the total 80 killed in the incident, the ages of 79 were confirmed including their names and addresses.

It was claimed that one of the deceased was only seven-year old, three were eight, three nine, one was 10, four were 11, four were 12, eight were 13, six were 14, nine were 15, 19 were 16, 12 were 17, three were 18, three were 19 and only two were 21-year old.

The names, father names, ages and addresses of the deceased are as follows: Maulvi Liaqat Ali (34), son of Abdur Rahim, Mohammad Tahir (16), Maulvi Khaleefa, Azizul Wahab (15), son of Aseer Mohammad, Fazal Wahab (16), son of Sada Khan, Ziauddin (16), son of Nader Khan, Mohammad Yunus (16), son of Rahim Jan and Fazal Hakim (19), son of Gul Rahman, Ilyas (13), son of Syed Rahim Jan, Sohail (07), son of Abul Wahab, Asadullah (09), son of Mohibullah, Shoaib (08), son of Nisaruddin, Khalilullah (09), son of Khan, Noor Mohammad (08), son Hazrat Mohammad, Khalid (12), Saifullah (09), son of Azizur Rahman, residents of Inamkhwaro Chingai, Mamond tehsil of Bajaur Agency.

Razi Mohammad (160, son of Gul Hasan Khan and Mashooq Jan (15), son of Mian Gul Bacha, residents of Darra Salarzai, Bajaur.

Nawab (17), son of Mirzada, Sultanat Khan (16), son of Shamsur Rahman, Ziaur Rahman (13), son of Mursaleen, Noor Mohammad (15), son of Chanai, Mohammad Yaas Khan (16) son of Fazlur Rahman, Qari Alamzeb (14), son of Karim, residents of Ghundai, Salarzai, Bajaur.

Ghulam Nabi (21), son of Baacha Khan, Ziaur Rahman (17), son of Maulvi Taj Mohammad, Abdullah (18), son of Mohammad Zada, Ikramullah (17), son of Sultan Zamin, Inayatur Rahman (16) and Shahbuddin (15), sons of Fateh Rahman, Yahya Khan (16), son of Maulvi Zamin, Rahatullah, (17), son of Maulvi Jan Zamin, Khan (21), Mohammad Salim (11), son of Mohammad Karim and Shahjehan (15), residents of Damadola, Bajaur.

Gul Sher Khan (15), son of Habibur Rahman, Bakht Muneer (14), Numair (14), son of Mirullah Khan, Mashooq Khan (16), residents of Gatkai Mamond, Bajaur.

Ihsanullah (16), resident of Pashat, Salarzai. Luqman (12) and Jannatullah (13), residents of Kasai Salarzai, Bajaur.

Ismail (12), son of Maulvi Said Ahmad, Tangai Salarzai, Bajaur Agency. Taseel Khan (18), resident of Wara Kharkai Mamond, Bajaur.

Zaheeruddin (16), son of Sirajuddin and Qari Ishaq (19), son of Lali Maula, residents of Chingazo Khaar, Bajaur.

Jamshed Khan (14) and Alam Nabi (11), sons of Mohammad Khan, residents of Maina Mamond, Bajaur.

Qari Abdul Karim (19), son of Abdullah and Rahmatullah (14), residents of Zorbandar, Bajaur.

Abdus Samad (17), son of Baacha Ustaz, Siraj (16) son of Ghani, residents of Qung Salarzai, Bajaur.

Saeedullah (17), son of Daryab, residents of Kamarsar, Bajaur.

Abdul Waris (16), son of Musafir, resident of Siddiqabad, Bajaur.

Darvesh (13), Ameer Said (15) and Shaukat (14), residents of Mohmand Agency.

Inayatur Rahman (17), son of Rafiullah, Kumbar Maidan, district Dir.

Salman (16), son of Said Malook, Fazal Wahab (18), Baacha Rahman (13), residents of Swat.

Wali-ur-Rahman (17) and Iftikhar (17), son of Sher Zaman, resident of district Sawabi.

Inayatullah (15), resident of district Dir. Adnan (16), Najibullah (13), Naeemullah (17), Hizbullah (10), Kitab Gul (12), Wilayat Khan (11), Zabihullah (16), Shehzad Gul (11), residents of Nooristan, Afghanistan.

Shabir (15), son of Gulamin Jan, residents of Seevai Mamond, Bajaur, Qari Sharifullah (17), son of Azam Khan, Shafiullah (16), residents of Badan Mamond.

Nimatullah (14), resident of Pashat Salarzai, Bajaur. Shakirullah (16), son of Salim Jan, residnet of Dabar Mamond, Bajaur.

Talha (08), son of Ghulam Rasool, resident of Harichand, district Charsadda.

While the age of one Jamroz Khan, son of Mashooq Khan, resident of Sango Salarzai, Bajaur could not be ascertained.

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TheRealDeal:

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        Originally Posted by **Sa1eem**

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Well, Pakistan government should tell Americans that they could not control the tribal areas and would not care or defend that area if attacked. So, if Americans and NATO wants, they can do what they like, even carpet bomb the area to non-existence.
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Your paragraph above says a lot about you.

It's disgusting what lengths Mush/Army supporters will go to justify his actions
First of all, what I wrote is the other choice government has and that does not mean that I or anyone would like that. That is the reason, even when Pakistan soldiers are getting killed, government is trying to do what they can to their best. That is different matter that those terrorist in the area is pushing the government to that route.
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Do you read only half? did you read what I wrote at the end:

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what you think about that?
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If you do not know, I better clear it for you that it means that a statement made earlier then the statement 'what you think about that?' is to make someone think of another alternative then what is happening (it is question, inviting to think).

Just imagine that a father stopping his son resisting to get stopped from jumping from the roof says to his son that, ‘son don’t jump from the roof, else if you will insist and I do not stop you, you will jump and would break your leg’. Now, what you think? Does that mean father want his son to jump?

Tahajjud:

As for Tahajjud. It is salah that is done after Isha and before fajar. It is normally done after one finishes Isha, sleep, get up and do tahajjud salah, then sleep again, then get up for fajar. Those that do tahajjud they pray witr after tahajjud. Normally people pray tahajjud just after a third of the night passed.

If a person does not think that he would be able to get up after sleeping to do tahajjud, that person does witr after isha, before sleeping.

That is the reason a person does tahajjud at home where he sleeps (unless that person is in itakaf in Mosque). (Thus, no one pray tahajjud at mosque or places where they do not live and sleep).

Regardless, since one doing tahajjud has to sleep before getting up for fajar, tahajjud time is not at the end of night (when that bombing happened) and when fajar time is very near (like 5 am, when just after 6 am is fajar time).

Nevertheless, I believe that it is stupid to even talk about all this when it is clear (for all that can think) that 5 am is not a time children should be in school when sunrise time was around 6.30 am.

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There are 160 million people in Pakistan, so it is quite easy to pluck a list of 80 people and claim they were killed in the Bajur attack. But what have not seen is actual proof such as:-

Pictures of any of those killed, let alone children.
Film of parents waving around pictures of these alleged children.
Pictures of small (child) coffins.

A logical reason why any kids would be at this "school" headed by an anti-Shia cleric at 5am in the morning?

Does no parent have any pics of the alleged children in their family albums?

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Captain1:

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Please continue the rant of 5AM and kids, I am still waiting for pictures of the weapons found in madrassah. To me everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
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When government is saying that the school was used for brainwashing suicide bombers, with hate preaching and prepare them mentally to suicide, what type of weapon do you expect to see?

As for the school using night time for their hate preaching, (what I assume) its because during day, government and others would have seen them and faces of prospective pathetic suicide bombers.

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and again, even if teens were there, is it not possible that they were young recruits for diff missions and being indoctrined? I mean its not a novel concept here..

what were u thinking when u
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I believe you are absolutely right. These might be new recruits (murghay) brought up there to be indoctrinated and become suicide bombers or criminals spreading terrorism (Just a guess). :hoonh:

Though, along with new recruits, there must be many hardened criminals there too, hiding from law and preaching new ones. I would say: Khass kam jahaan paak. Many more need to follow them to the other side, so that this world becomes safe, clean, and pure from their terrorism.

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And the most important bit of that piece of nonsense..highlighted..Maulana Fazaluana Terrorist compiles the list of kids himself, and some here fall for it :halo:

One of the directives, I’m guessing, was to lie as much as possible so that the MMA can get more seats next election, and JUI can grab more seats (and beat its current record of 2 seats out of 400).

what were u thinking when u
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And none of the Pakistan traitors can answer what kids would be doing there at 5 am in the morning still..

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Quite tragic that people are using a tragedy to justify another one..

Inna Lillahe wa inna ilahe rajoun..

first Balochistan, then the tribal areas and now NWFP proper...

One wonders what area is next for this government to mess up.

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confirms indescriminate murder.

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Maulana must be a good man otherwise the little commando hadn’t rigged the elections to bring him and his ilks to power. I personally have nothing but utter contempt for such mullahs and little commandos.

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Whatever they were doing at 5 a.m in the madarsa nothing justifies their brutal murder.

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The point you're missing is your only proof is a list compiled by some Maulana leader of the JUI (who incidentally asked locals to compile a list of the dead). There's two aspects to this. 1) The Maulana is part of a political party that wants to take seats off the secular parties. 2) You complain Pakistan is riddled with corruption, yet if a Maulana issues directives to compile some dodgy list, you have no problem accepting it.

The third most important point which you have failed to answer still and which confirms the absurdity of this list, is if these children were in the Madrassah what were they doing there at 5 am? Too many holes in this children up all night studying theory.

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I have at least one proof but you have none...

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^^ Correction, I have Musharraf's word, you have the word of Maulana semi educated terrorist who loves to kill.

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1) The Maulana is part of a political party that wants to take seats off the secular parties.
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Yes, and this is our dilemma. Molanas with the help of the military dictators have turned the whole province into jihadistan.

*2) You complain Pakistan is riddled with corruption, yet if a Maulana issues directives to compile some dodgy list, you have no problem accepting it. *

The report is published in a renown newspaper, how should I know whether it is correct or not. Can you prove it wrong?

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^^why don't you try reading and combining this with getting an education. READ THE ARTICLE..I highlighted the important bit for you and still you spout your nonsense.

Let me write this so you understand..

THE LIST WAS COMPILED BY LOCALS EMPLOYED UNDER THE DIRECTIVES OF THE JUI MAULANA

This does not mean the newspaper has seen the bodies, or can confirm this report is true. It's an allegation, nothing more, and it's by a political opponent of Musharraf, who at times like this, always try and score points.

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Now what were kids doing studying in a madrassah at 5 am?

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Don't lose your nerves buddy. Whoever compiled this list can you prove it to be wrong?

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They were reciting Koran. What now??ß