the quick response indicates that indeed there were miltant elements in bajour that are now pissed and retaliating. an avg joe simple villager can not do this so quickly.
secondly, I had stated already, these guys will go kill some innocent rangroots who have nothing to do with the planning or decision making of this. If their crime is that they are associated with a military that attacked this tribal area, then by the same token a tribal of that area is similarly guilty of being part of a tribe that is providing shelter to the militants (if they are not militant themselves)
No moral high ground left for the tribals anymore. Even if all their lies were true..which they are not.
Mush is planting the seeds of big time civil war in Pakistan by sucking up to the US and making enemies at home. This is the start of a very disturbing trend where Pak Army is being considered the enemy and outsiders.
What I am mentioning is nothing to do with government claim. All from Bajour (and every news media) claimed that bombing happened at 5 AM. What I am saying is that (nothing to do with government claim):
Can’t anyone give logical reason why those killed (suppose to be 6 years old) were at Madrassa 5 AM at night (hours before sunrise), when it was dark?
They could be boarding there in that Madrassa and at 5:A.M. people do Namaz-e- Tahajudd. Whats there not to understand????
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They could be boarding in a non-boarding school that only had few big rooms and compound, are you joking?
Probably some terrorists might be using those rooms to hide (if you consider that boarding there), who knows? :)
Plus, when people do tahajjud, they do it at home. Regardless, that madrassa was not mosque or attached to any mosque. Nevertheless, since when 6 years old started doing tahajjud?
Well, Pakistan government should tell Americans that they could not control the tribal areas and would not care or defend that area if attacked. So, if Americans and NATO wants, they can do what they like, even carpet bomb the area to non-existence.
I am sure that what USA did in Afghanistan (treatment at tora-bora) they could do that to Pakistan tribal areas too. In Afghanistan, USA is trying to bring law and order so they are on ground these days. Since in Pakistan tribal areas they would not care about law and order situation there, they would not even need to enter the area.
Probably some terrorists might be using those rooms to hide (if you consider that boarding there), who knows? :)
Plus, when people do tahajjud, they do it at home. Regardless, that madrassa was not mosque or attached to any mosque. Nevertheless, since when 6 years old started doing tahajjud?
Well, Pakistan government should tell Americans that they could not control the tribal areas and would not care or defend that area if attacked. So, if Americans and NATO wants, they can do what they like, even carpet bomb the area to non-existence.
I am sure that what USA did in Afghanistan (treatment at tora-bora) they could do that to Pakistan tribal areas too. In Afghanistan, USA is trying to bring law and order so they are on ground these days. Since in Pakistan tribal areas they would not care about law and order situation there, they would not even need to enter the area.
What you think of that?
I guess praying Tahajudd namaaz is an individual choice and can be done at home, at a mosque, by a six year old or a sixty year old. Lets stay away from passing judgement on someone's praying and condemn the act if those killed were innocent students trying to learnQuran.
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I am not condemning anyone learning Islam. Only thing is that, I do not believe that those killed were innocent students. I believe that they were terrorists and so do government and many in Pakistan. That is it.
As for what you said, I cannot buy that unless I have nothing in my upper chamber and thus cannot think. (I believe that what you wrote, you do not believe that too, that 6 years old gathered in madrassa to do tahajjud).
As for your claim that they were trying to learn Quran, that is illogical, as it was darkness of night.
May Allah swt help the families of people (innocent be they at madrassah or in army) who die in such tragedies without knowing reason of their death or without being convinced of why killing others.
The chest thumping that I see here going on is no way different than the red-necks in US when they see dead bodies of their military personnel and then say that US should kill them. Yes, please go on, in this life we may not see the light but in next Inshallah there will be justice.
So what you are saying is that Pakistan should take absolutely no action even when they have actionable intelligence that terrorists will be meeting in a certain location and even when that location was monitored 24/7 for over a week?
Its not about chest thumping and blind patriotism, its using common sense.
That building was bombed and deservedly so as it had a large gathering of terrorists and of course the pashtun will claim that all the people who died were innocent.
Are they actually going to claim that terrorists were there?
Are they going to generate any sympathy by saying that?
1) would a 6 yr old go for tahhajud alone? I mean why would a kid go and not the father?
2) is it possible that ppl involved did take their kids with them to this militant gathering, maybe to start indoctrinating tem from an early age.
nothing ive heard or seen goes anyway to prooving any terrorist link with regards to bajour. i cant understand what the government were playing at. being there at 5am doesnt mean anything. pakis ride 10 to a 4 passenger car, whole famillies sleep to one bedroam. the madrassa is also one place they can stay at overnight with their famillies feeling good about it!
1) would a 6 yr old go for tahhajud alone? I mean why would a kid go and not the father?
2) is it possible that ppl involved did take their kids with them to this militant gathering, maybe to start indoctrinating tem from an early age.
Besides all that a known Al Qaeda terrorist, the spiritual guide to Zawahiri was killed...
Why would he be doing there in a Madrassah if not to meet and plan more attacks
And if there were kids, why would they meet infront of these kids and discuss their operational details?
And why would kids be there at 4am?
None of this makes any sense so the government version of events hold up and logicalally, forensically, and by using common sense
Basically what happend was:
Al Qaeda operative was tracked for over a week. He was found going in and out of a madrassah for a couple of days. Ground intelligence confirmed that a high level meeting was suppose to take place there and it took place in night around 4 to 5am so that it would be harder to track them.
They met, and Pakistan fired a missile and killed 80 of them.
The Taliban and Pashtun immediately claim that all the dead were innocent children 6 years of age learning the Quran to generate symapthy.
And some guppies buy that crap.
But in reality 80 of these terrorists were killed and in anger they have struck back killing 40 of our brave soldiers.
Please continue the rant of 5AM and kids, I am still waiting for pictures of the weapons found in madrassah. To me everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Pictures of any of those killed, let alone children.
Film of parents waving around pictures of these alleged children.
Pictures of small (child) coffins.
A logical reason why any kids would be at this "school" at 5am in the morning.
1) would a 6 yr old go for tahhajud alone? I mean why would a kid go and not the father?
2) is it possible that ppl involved did take their kids with them to this militant gathering, maybe to start indoctrinating tem from an early age.
This school was headed by the Maulvi Liaquat, deputy leader of the TNSM killed in the Bajur attack. That is a point the govt and the tribals both agree on.
Maulvi Liaquat, and the TNSM are renowed Shia haters, reponsible for many sectarian atrocities. Now why would any parents of a 6 year old send their kid to this sort of place?
The only way to control such maniacs is to kill them outright. If you people didnt know better, these people were attacking the army long before the Bajaur attack.
