Pakistan 'suicide blast kills 35' (merged)

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Yea, it is impossible that in dark hours of 5 am, people killed in madrassa, that was not even boarding madrassa or affliated to any mosque, were kids and not terrorists.

Actually, I read many Bajour people claiming that they were sleeping when they heard the sound. Many mentioned the time 5 am too. Here is government statement that these terrorists place targeted at 5 am.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=104240

** No Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants among the 80 dead: Sultan
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ISLAMABAD: Director General Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) Major General Shaukat Sultan has said that local people and foreigners were among the 80 dead in Bajaur agency operation however no Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were among the dead.

Addressing a press conference in ISPR Rawalpindi on Monday, Army spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan further said there were no women and children dead in this operation.

He said that the operation was carried out in Khar, area of Bajaur at 5:00 am in madrassa. The Army spokesman said Khar is situated 2.5 kilometer north of Afghanistan border.

“We received confirmed intelligence reports that 80 militants were hiding in a madrassa used as a terrorist-training facility, which was destroyed by an army strike, led by helicopters,” Sultan said. He said that the madrassa was run by Moulvi Liaquat Ali.

Identification of foreigners died in this operation is yet ascertained, he maintained.

Answering a query, the Army spokesman rejected the allegations of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces and Afghan forces that infiltration was boosted in Afghanistan following tribal peace accord in North Waziristan.

He said Pakistan is fighting war against terrorism in the best interest of the country adding that Pakistan would not allow any one to use its soil for terrorist activities.

Responding to another question, DG ISPR added that no Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were among the dead in this operation.

He told that Pakistan would continue fight against terrorism and extremism. Whoever will writ the challenge of government will have to face dire consequence, he remarked.

Thus: I would really like to know from those claiming that terrorists killed in madrassa were innocent kids to explain that if those at madrassa were innocent kids (as little as 6), what they were doing at madrassa in dark hours of night?

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do you think that the madrassa was kitted out like an indoor battlefield?
heres a survivors account:
But Abu Bakar, one of three survivors from the raid, disputed the president's version. **
*"There was not militant training in the madrassa," he told the Associated Press (AP) news agency from his hospital bed. *
**"We had come here to learn Allah's religion," said the 22-year-old from Loi Sam, a town 15km (10 miles) from the destroyed school.
the last quote gives us a clue to why they were there at 5am.

really it all boils down to how you value the blood of these 'tribal' people. we need an independent investigation at least, but that wont bring back the children, fathers or husbands killed in bajour

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You mean, one terrorist survived and is still alive? I think you should report him to the authority so that he reaches his jahaanum quickly.

As for they learning religion Islam, we all know the religion Islam of terrorists. That is to kill innocents, fight the government (unless they are government) and do suicide to kill those they do not agree.

If they claim that, it was Allah’s religion they were learning, they are lying as they should know that they are claiming the religion of iblis as Allah’s religion (suicide and killing innocents is not religion of Allah but religion of Iblis) and thus they deserve death, as they love killing others.

*[Now, as you claimed that they were there to learn Allah's religion, then, tell us that what part of Allah's religion is learned in dark? *

Reality is that, they were learning the ‘religion of dark’ that is the religion of Iblis** (Shaitan). Allah’s religion is Islam, that is ‘religion of light and enlightenment’ and people learn Islam during daytime.]**

Since suicide is haram, none who does suicide for whatever purpose is a Muslim and those interpreting wrongly (as it is clear that suicide is haram) are all people of hell.

As for independent reporting of time (5 am), it is not only government claimed time, but most in Bajour claims that and in any news, if time is given, it is 5 am. As for fajar and sunrise time, I found it out that it was much after 6 am, and you can find it too.

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Yup, what were kids as young as 6 doing at this "school" at 5am in the morning when normal children are fast asleep? The Pakistan media has seen through the pathetic tribal allegations!

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'unleashed'?! The ISI can't even figure out who's behind all the monthly bombings in Pakistan, and are scared to even enter most of Afghanistan

The Pak Army is reaping what they sow.

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so if a 5yr old is at a certain place at 5 am (allegedly), the dictator is right to kill him? :rolleyes:

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you are dodging the question

saleem brought up a very good point which I never though of is that the attack occured at 5am…

Why were there children at that school at 5am?

Also, 80 people died. What were so many people doing at that school at 5am?

Or what is more probable that the terrorists were using the school as a place to meet and plan more attacks and used the cover of darkness to cover their tracks but the Night Vision on the US Predator relayed that information to Pakistani Gunships and they took out that Madrassah…

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TheRealDeal:

No, that so-called dictator is not saying that terrorist killed were little kids.

It is terrorist supporters claiming that our young men getting training of suicide and learning the 'religion of dark (aka dark religion)' were 5 to 6 years old kids.

Probably, what these terrorist supporters mean is that mentally those killed terrorists in madrassa, were even though young mentally retarded men, they should be considered mentally 5 to 6 years old kids.

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The average height of a 6 year old is about 4 feet. Did anyone see any pics of coffins that small? Have we even seen any pictures at all of the kids allegedly killed in the Bajur attack? NO.

The death toll of soldiers has now gone upto 42. We alll know Afghanistan is always accusing the ISI of being behind "activities" in that country - well now they be better be prepared for many more of those, if it is established their intelligence services were behind this attacks.

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Silly Billy: You are right, as Vroom quotes:

*Vroom: *

[quote]
** But Abu Bakar, one of three survivors from the raid, disputed the president's version. **
*"There was not militant training in the madrassa," he told the Associated Press (AP) news agency from his hospital bed. *
*"We had come here to learn Allah's religion," said the 22-year-old from Loi Sam, a town 15km (10 miles) from the destroyed school. *
[/quote]

You can see the one survived was 22 years old.

Well, even though they were young men I have to agree with those claiming them to be 5 to 6 years old. Because, even though physically they were young men, mentally they must be 5 to 6 years old retards. That is why, terrorist supporters are claiming that their (mentally retards young men with mental age of) 5 to 6 years old are killed. Only thing is that, what I put in bracket, they are not mentioning.

If 22 years old terrorist mentioned above (by Vroom) would have got killed, he would be quoted by the terrorist supporters as 5 to 6 years old too.

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Salaam.

Whether the attack was at 5am, or 5pm is irrelevant.

It was an Islamic centre, that is known.

Kids are also known to eat and sleep at places like this, and many don't preach 'terrorism'.

The point is was it right to carpet bomb all these Islamic students, killing them all, even the kids? The majority of Pakistan thinks 'NO'!

When you have a marauding Army acting on the orders of the Americans, you will get a reaction.

Even someone as 'secular' as myself can understand the Islamic rage this time.

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Firstly, that was not boarding madrassa that children would be there.

Second is that, if terrorists were taking training of suicide terrorism (getting brainwashed) then they deserve to get bombed. From all evidence, this school was involved in brainwashing young men to do suicide bombing (and thus, created terrorists). Government claimed the same, that school was used for training (brainwashing and preparing) suicide bombers.

** As for this particular school being Islamic school teaching Islamic students, I do not agree with that, because these days, many retard Shaitanic schools claming to be Islamic schools (madrassas), teaching terrorism are getting classified as Islamic schools. Suicide bombing, terrorism by arson or other means, bombing mosques and killing innocents indiscreetly, that is nothing to do with Islam but Shaitanism are taught as Islam in such schools. Students of these schools are not Islamic students but Shaitans.**

It is duty of government to get rid of these types of shaitanic schools as soon as possible, and those brainwashed retards that are coming out of these schools, as these retards are danger to the life of innocent civilians.

I agree that if it was boarding school, instead of bombing that school without warning, government should have given warning to school to close down and warning to parents that school could be target.

Actually, government did gave warning to school owner (some time back) that to stop using school as terrorist base before bombing the school, but without any heed from the owner. Thus, what government did was fully justified.

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I dont think it is irrelevant as most terrorists usually meet at nighttime because its harder to spot them.

So timing is very crucial. If this attack occured at 2pm, then I can buy the story of children being there but at 5am

Who are you trying to kid?

Why would kids sleep there?

Dont they have their own homes to go to?

And why would a known Al Qaeda operative be there in the first place?

If that school really had innocent children in there, then what is that guy doing there?

Killing kids is wrong. We can all agree to that.

But when there is no proof that children died and almost all of the dead were known terrorists, then it is perfectly ok to take them out.

A reaction in which they brutally murder over 40 of our brave soldiers is beyond treasenous.

And I can now understand military rage.

Please stop living in a fantasy world and come to reality

What is more probable...

That at 5am, a known terrorist that was being followed for weeks enters a Madrassah and leaves there for over a week and when a gathering of these terrorists takes place the army takes it out.

And all of a sudden there are 80 dead children?

Why are you buying this taliban propoganda crap?

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tsk, tsk, it seems that all of you are simply following govt propoganda without even questioning it. Perhaps because you live in Bush's America you have a sanitisied view, and only think of certain Muslims as 'evil' or 'bad'.

I'm sure none of you agree when Israel or America bomb a building killing dozens to get at a 'terrorist', yet you support Busharraf doing the same....open your eyes

Perhaps you should spend less time believing Mush and Bush and try to see a wrong for a wrong

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NO pictures of any of those killed, let alone children.
NO parents waving around pictures of these alleged children.
NO small (child) coffins shown in any pictures we have seen so far.
NO logical reason why kids would be at this "school" at 5am in the morning.

YES - sectarian terrorist Maulvi Liaquat was head of this terrorist school.

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Pakistani army got what it really deserves! When the Paki army are indiscriminately bombing and unleashing terror on their own countrymen; they warrant a similar response...

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1000 miles away doing analysis and proving the words of government as right, justifying their actions without proof, what do you guys have different from US who invaded and killed thousands in Iraq? Continuously jumping up and down holding one question "what were they doing in madrassah at 5AM" definitely is going to get you Nobel Peace Price that you deserve.

May Allah swt help the families of people (innocent be they at madrassah or in army) who die in such tragedies without knowing reason of their death or without being convinced of why killing others.

The chest thumping that I see here going on is no way different than the red-necks in US when they see dead bodies of their military personnel and then say that US should kill them. Yes, please go on, in this life we may not see the light but in next Inshallah there will be justice.

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TheRealDeal:

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tsk, tsk, it seems that all of you are simply following govt propoganda without even questioning it. Perhaps because you live in Bush's America you have a sanitisied view, and only think of certain Muslims as 'evil' or 'bad'.
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What I am mentioning is nothing to do with government claim. All from Bajour (and every news media) claimed that bombing happened at 5 AM. What I am saying is that (nothing to do with government claim):**

5 AM is not time when kids go to madrassa fom home to learn (when it is dark as sun rise in those area when bombing happened was 6-30 AM).

***Well, those killed must have gathered much earlier then that to get bombed at 5.00 AM. If they were kids gone to Madrassa to study, most likely they left home at 3.00 AM to 4.00 AM to be at madrassa well settled, before bombing took them to their death. (I consider that completely illogical to believe).
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At that time all children must be sleeping, even children parents and teachers must be sleeping. Even ardent Namazis must be sleeping. Even people that do Tahajjud must be sleeping or praying at home.

Only criminals, terrorists, Shaitan worshipers, and people of dark must be awake and active outside their home.**** Other then terrorists, none would have got gathered at madrassa that time.

Just answer why they were at that school 5 AM in the morning ?

** If these terrorists killed at madrassa were innocents then cow can fly.

 **That madrassa was not a boarding madrassa and thus whoever was there, got there from outside during those hours and were not living there. ****

Can’t anyone give logical reason why those killed (suppose to be 6 years old) were at Madrassa 5 AM at night (hours before sunrise), when it was dark?**
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^ let me call Nobel Peace Prize committee to tell them about your wonderful analysis, I’m sure you will get something for this analysis :clap:

Say English Word , the other will say Urdu Word for it
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I am not joking. I am layman, asking a valid question that confuses me when some claimed that kids as little as 6 years old were there in madrassa during dark hours of night, studying :confused: