Pakistan 'suicide blast kills 35' (merged)

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Are you that idiotic to not understand, pakistan does not need to bomb civillians who are next to militants, they could even fake such attacks rather than bomb madrassahs and get into gun fights with people well accustomed to the local area. They could just bomb an unpopulated area and say they killed some fighters. The same militants that are being killed with civillians are most likely the ones who would help put up resistance against foreign attacks, use your head!

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govt list in 50% incomplete..
tribals list is atleast 50% inaccurate..

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1) The Government reports give the ID number of these people..This is a specific identifier, the locals give reference them as "Ghulam, son of....." You tell me, which report would you believe? One which gives the exact National ID of the person, so anyone can go and check the authenticity of the claim, or a report where someone quotes a single name?

2) The reports of 80+ dead were initial estimates by locals were they not? This is not an important point though.

3) Undoubtedly there were forigners in the madrassah who remain unidentified. So, the government list is only partial, and they admit it, which is a lot more honest than the locals report that anyone could go and cook up without any ID number.

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no no really, who are these people, they are traitors because they call some people mullahs?

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You are not only stupid, but also unrealistic it seems. The Americans also have something known as an INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, and also have SATELLITES, that can see any part of Pakistan they want to. No doubts the US noted something going on, and Pakistani troops were sent to monitor the place, and they agreed with the satellite imagery. So, what should they do, fake and encounter so these destabilizing influences (aka militants) move onto another madrassah and Pakistan get accused of not being able to clean up? Then someone else WILL clean up..You're living in cuckoo land to believe others are not monitoring the situation and your unimaginative fake encounters are a non starter given the degree of technology now available.

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It seems that those who are saying that the army got what it deserved are the real ones who are not considering the facts. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, not just what you want to see. I certainly didn't like the idea of the govt bombing a madrassa either but after looking at the facts I can admit that it seems plausible that they were in the right.

Maybe you don't like Mush and maybe you don't like the way the govt it currently working. But take into consideration that maybe, just maybe, it did something right.

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For crying out loud! If i was on about benazir bhutto everyone would know about it. Are you trying to say musharraf is not corrupt? I am trying to get the point across, that this is a critical time for pakistan as we are surrounded by enemies, and we seriously need to sort ourselves out before its too late (Almighty swt Forbid), which means zero corruption and ass kissing. I personally get humiliated when i see freaks making humiliating comments and even attacks against our country and musharraf not saying anything about it (well saying anything properly in an aggressive manner). Everyone talks about the improvements as if they exist, lets talk about the disasters for a change. Maybe we will get somewhere...

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Alhamdulilah my tongue is in my mouth. Unlike some people i dont crawl around on the floor for the cat to get my tongue!
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Im not dodging any point! You are asking me for proof of my statement that musharraf is corrupt. Well it is pretty obvious when a man starts his work as president with a few businesses and ends up with millions when his salary wouldnt pay that much out to him. And the other money that goes missing? Other peoples accounts and foreign accounts...
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You accused a person (president Musharraf) of corruption. You wrote that he has millions when his salary would not pay that much out to him and the other money that goes missing.

Are you Muslim? If Allah would ask you about your accusation, do you have any proofs about what you wrote?

Can you tell about that millions you claim you know that Musharraf salary, his military related monies, and other resources could not pay? Can you refer about your claims regarding that other people accounts and foreign accounts, you mentioned? Where are you getting your information?

All accusation that you made, are that what you saw in your dream or are there any reliable sources that you can quote or is it that you are telling lies? Can you provide any reliable independent source backing your claim?

As for handing over the terrorists to USA, there is no harm in that. Those terrorists were criminals for another country (USA) that is Pakistan ally and have diplomatic relation with Pakistan. These terrorists (as claimed) were not Pakistani nationals and thus, it was fine to give them to USA that was asking for them.

The countries these terrorists come from also consider them terrorists, so what is the problem?

If USA like to pay bounty for them, that is also fine. If USA pays bounties to those responsible of arresting terrorist they need, why are you jealous? You should have been employed in Pakistan law enforcement agency or present in Pakistan, pinpointing these terrorists, to get bounty. No harm and all fair.

President Musharraf is not getting those bounties, but if he was directly involved in arresting these criminals, I wont mind if President Musharraf does get some bounties.

Regardless, why are you jealous? You can find them and get them handed over to USA, you will get the bounty too. Become bounty hunter but do not become jealous of those poor law enforcement people receiving bounties. It is their opportunity to earn a bit legally, over their normal earning.

Pakistan has told all foreigners of certain origin, those Pakistan and world considers them part of Al-qaida and Taliban, living in tribal area and elsewhere in Pakistan, to register with government, but these terrorists do not want. Regardless, they are foreigners and have no right to live in Pakistan illegally, and thus if Musharraf government is handing them to USA (justifiably), its right thing to do.

Actually, Pakistan does not want them on Pakistani soil. Pakistan government first ask the country they came from, if they want to take their terrorists nationals. Now, when their country of origin does not want them, they are handed over to USA, that is willing to take them.

[Note: As for I calling Bai-Nazeer, Zardari and Bhutto corrupt, I have enough reliable proof to say that. Someday, if I find time, I will put it on this forum].

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Well right now, america is not in a position to attack us Alhamdulilah. I totally forgot about the satellite systems, the point is, why should we even kill one person to please america? They can go to hell, i have noticed respect comes with aggression. You seem to have a big gob, and make it sound ok to kill people, let me tell you how would you feel if you were in that area, never mind your relatives, how would you feel if that missile which came from above and killed students which lets say included some of your family members? You would start chanting slogans and want revenge. Oh yes and then it would further annoye you even more if some fool off the net said its ok mushy was just doing it to please the yanks, its better than what they would do...

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Sa1eem Alhamdulilah you have a good point, all the information i have is from other people which i cannot fully trust therefore i take back anything which Islam is against. I try not to let arrogance get the better of me, so if i am wrong i will admit it, but if i feel that i have a point i will keep mentioning it! About the musharraf being corrupt statement, i think it is very likely that its true but i still cannot say so because i do not have concrete evidence, so i will make this an unofficial win! Tell me first why is that people who have done the most sinister things to pakistan like benazir bhutto, zardari etc get away with it internationally, but someone who leaves everything they own, goes to sacrifice thier life for oppressed people gets arrested and punished in a manner people like benazir and zardari should have been punished?

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I cannot believe somebody is saying army deserves etc. first of all nobody deserves to be murdered. these are reruits. just like it was heinous for Gen.Musharf to bomb madrissa, it is wrong for suicide bombing of reruits.

Other arguement that it was not students but only terorists is also wrong. if they are terrorists then they should be arrested and tried not bombed like this misusing military. Govt should not act like terrorist

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why risk innocent soldiers for a bunch of law break terrorists?

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Then you have your head buried in the sand. Musharraf went on tour of the US and when asked about Pakistan doing not enough said to a reporter "the west will fail if you dont have Pakistan's help. You wont be able to do a single thing in Afghanistan".

If you get humiliated, that is your problem. You should learn that if there's a guy who's bigger than you who can bully you, you best not pick a fight with him (if he picks a fight with you you have no choice). But to pick a fight with a bully with no hope of winning is just simple, plain and stupid. This is something any human with an IQ higher than a chimpanzee can understand. Why is it that you cannot? But if you still dont follow, let's say Musharaff orders the fight, obviously he loses to the US, wouldnt this be a MUCH bigger humiliation, than cooperating with someone, getting rewarded financially and in other ways, loosing up of sanctions, global respectability etc etc. Can you not see the benefits of clearing out the extremists for not only Pakistan's benefits from within, but also in the eyes of the whole world? It's really a very idiotic argument you are making.

If you can prove evidence of Musharraf's corruption, then present it. If not, then find some. It's universally acknow. that Musharaff has made efforts to stamp out corruption in Pakistan, and he's done the best job so far amongst the previous administrations.

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either way you are risking soldiers when there is a fight. I am referring to how a govt should behave and believe in its own legal system

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GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. These extremists are a danger to Pakistan. The feudal system is a danger to Pakistan's stability. Militancy will result in Pakistan becoming Afghanistan, and it's in Pakistan's interest to clear them out (it has nothing to do with America, but it happens that America wants the same).

As for if it were family members in there, I would not let any family member attend a Madrassah as I know what some might be getting up to like this one, and I know the risks associated with it. But I do know the Americans wont be quite so careful as Pakistan has been, so I support the action.

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theres ways and measures pakistan can take to tackle any problems in the western areas without killing so many people in high profile strikes. surely you see the madrassa bombing was questionable, as does most of the pakistani press.

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If you get humiliated, that is your problem. You should learn that if there's a guy who's bigger than you who can bully you, you best not pick a fight with him (if he picks a fight with you you have no choice). *But to pick a fight with a bully with no hope of winning is just simple, plain and stupid. This is something any human with an IQ higher than a chimpanzee can understand. *
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Aap nay kiya baat kee, so true.

But you should know that many madrassas are giving special training to their students, to keep the IQ below chimpanzee. For that, they select teachers/instructors too with an IQ below chimpanzee. Thus, these madrassas are churning plenty of human-monkey with below chimpanzee IQ that can even blow themselves, against the command of Allah, though according to the command of their Iblis instructors.

These pathetic beings do not think but act, and when they see bomb start falling, they disappear on the mountains, similar to mountain chimpanzee that would disappear on the mountains after hearing any bomb blast, or other chimpanzee disappearing on trees when encountered with bomb blasts.

That is what Mullah Umar and Taliban did in Afghanistan. Before American bombs, they were beating their chest, showing their eyes, throwing their hands, and playing bluffing game (as chimpanzee does). Once bomb blast started, they disappeared from all cities without fighting. Soon, their leader, who was claiming that he saw Prophet (SAW) telling him not to leave Khandhar, took a piggyback ride on a motorcycle and disappeared from Khandhar (according to some, he ran to Pakistan).

His dream claim: It seems that Mullah umar was liar when he claimed that he saw prophet (SAW) in dream telling him not to leave Khandhar and that Khandhar would never fall, or that he do not believe on his dreams nor respect Prophet (SAW). *.

Actually, what I know, Musharraf government was trying to negotiate with USA and NA for Pakhtuns representation in Afghanistan new administration (just to keep Pakistani Pakhtuns happy). For that, it was agreed that NA forces would not enter Kabul before any negotiated settlement (on ground, it was not Americans but forces of NA, while air cover and bombing of Taliban positions were done by USA). At that time, NA forces were just outside Kabul, waiting for instruction to enter Kabul.

Surprising to all, Taliban got scared and without telling even their Al-qaida partners in Kabul, left Kabul undefended. Once the news spread, NA surrounding Kabul, with different tribes having their own army (I think there was Hazara forces west of Kabul and Tajiks forces north of Kabul) rushed to enter Kabul so that they can have their own controlled areas.

I have seen interview of some al-qaida persons captured in Kabul. When they were asked, that, why they did not run away with Taliban forces, they said that Taliban did not even informed them before running away and abandoning Kabul. They learned that there is no defence in Kabul when NA forces entered and they found that no Taliban were there to defend the city.

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Why is it that you cannot? But if you still dont follow, let's say Musharaff orders the fight, obviously he loses to the US, wouldnt this be a MUCH bigger humiliation, than cooperating with someone, getting rewarded financially and in other ways, loosing up of sanctions, global respectability etc etc. Can you not see the benefits of clearing out the extremists for not only Pakistan's benefits from within, but also in the eyes of the whole world? It's really a very idiotic argument you are making.
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Actually, some mentally retarded people wants that Musharraf let Pakistan destroyed for the sake of these pathetic Afghans, Talibans and Al-qaida. Actually, these people feel happy living on derelict places, and want all of Pakistan to become derelict. They obviously feel no humiliation whatsoever.

As for Afghans and Talibans, they obviously do not feel any humiliation in defeats. In Afghan and tribal areas, there is no such thing as humiliation in defeats. One day a tribe might defeat another and next day, that another defeated tribe might defeat the first one. They are used to killing innocents as long as they are of opponents. So, what humiliation you are talking?*

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This is exactly what happens when you are 1000 miles away arm-chair-critic without understanding ground realities, I am sure you can find a place in 5-a-gon. Anyway, locals identify people by their names and father’s references, not by “numbers”, if you look carefully in both lists majority are “common” names in the lists.

so all the media was just reporting locals only, I wonder why media couldn’t get hold of the place and be able to count/see ? :hmmm:

again, go thru the list provided by “locals” and you can see that they have identified around 6 people from Afghanistan… but why would you look at that “untrustworthy” list, just wait for govt media to churn out some names and numbers for you.

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1 BEGUNAH JAAN KE BADLEY 2 JAAN. AGAR 80X2=160 FUAJI MARTEY TO ZIYADA BEHTER THA.

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^ nonsense,
Whatever has happened in Bajawar was a massacre from American. Pakistan instead of staging protest against the strikes at International Forum, blame the army which was already under fire. The incident of Dargai is really sad but sadder is the incident of Bajawar too.
After putting the entire responsibility on the army after Bajawar attaks, one could foresee such incidents. It is high time, we must protect Pakistanis, wherever they are and whoever they are. Otherwise the situation may become worse.
May Almighty Allah bless the departed souls of Bajawar and Dargai.