Pakistan should teach Politicians to uphold the constitution.

It is all very well blaming the Army, or asking people to teach the Army how to uphold the constitution.

I believe the first thing the Pakistanis should do is to teach every candidate that is running for Parliament and are supposed to uphold the constitution, how the democracy works and the importance of upholding the constitution. Once this is done, and the so-called champions of democracy themselves start working within the framework of democracy, we can then start blaming the Army - an institution that has been more democratic than the alleged democratic parties in Pakistan.

God Bless Pakistan. Rather than just providing lip service, let’s hope the champions of democracy in Pakistan themselves understand what democracy is.

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The first thing which should be done is to remove the illegal alteration of the constitution by the power crazy dictator and he should be brought to justice for doing so? Don't you agree Aalsi? I agree that rather than provide lip service we should protect our constitution from anyone who tries to illegally alter it.

God bless Pakistan and keep it safe from self serving kursi mad rulers.

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First thing people should remember is that not to take politicians like Nawaz Sharif and Zaradri seriously when they talk about freedom of judiciary and upholding democratic values. Afterall, they are the ones who either invaded the supreme court or allegedly killed judges, and assumed leadership of their party through non-democratic means - such as a 'WILL'.

Pakistan should teach Politicians to uphold the constitution and teach them about the basic tenants of democracy before blaming the Army.

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I see so while you are all for teaching the politicians the value of upholding the constitution you are prepared to ignore the bigger crime of illegal alteration of the constitution. I agree with what you are saying, do you agree with me that the person illegally altering the constitution should be brought to justice, simple yes or no.

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Yaar how can you possible ask him to say something against the greatest president in history of the mankind? :D

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I believe the people who welcomed the military coup, defended or supported its actions for many years and then only belatedly started talking about democracy are the ones who should answer this question first.

Everything that the great President Musharaf did was validated by the Supreme Court (including the certain Ifitikhar Chaudhry), and further validated by the elected Parliament under the 17th Amendment. I am sure the same will happen again after the elections. :)

God Bless the judges, the politicians of Pakistan, and every guppy that stood by the great President Musharaf when he overthrew the so called democratically elected leader - Nawaz Sharif. :)

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Mashallah. This is what I was talking about above. :slight_smile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/473124.stm

Opposition happy at Sharif dismissal

Mrs Bhutto urged fresh elections and a return to civilian rule Pakistan’s opposition has welcomed the removal of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in a cautious reaction to the military takeover of the country.

Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and Imran Khan, a former cricket star and leader of the Justice party, have said the move was not unexpected.

Both politicians blamed Mr Sharif for sparking Tuesday’s military coup.

Ms Bhutto told the BBC in London that Mr Sharif was an “unpopular dictator” whose attempts to divide the army had triggered the military revolt. “Mr Sharif boasted he was a man of crisis,” Ms Bhutto said. “This crisis overcame him.” She said he had attacked the president and the supreme court, as well as accusing the press of treason. “He fought with everyone.”

Ms Bhutto also said members of the ruling parliamentary party were backing Pakistan’s army chief because they felt that Mr Sharif was turning the country into a police state.

But Ms Bhutto, a long-time adversary of Mr Sharif, said she did not think the army had any choice but to revert to civilian rule.

“My message to the army is that if you were provoked into the action the world will understand if you give a firm date for fair elections and go back to the barracks.”

Asked about a possible return to Pakistan, Ms Bhutto said she would only do so if General Musharraf supported the “forces of democracy”.

She faces arrest on her return home after being convicted by a Pakistan court of corruption.

**Imran attack

****Meanwhile, leader of Pakistan’s Tehreek-e-insaaf (Justice) party, Imran Khan, said people in Pakistan welcomed the coup.

** **“The sad thing is, everyone in this country has welcomed the army,” he told the BBC.

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Mr Sharif ran a fascist government, he said, and wanted to gain control over every institution in the country in order to become “a middle-eastern monarch”.**

“The only thing that stood in the way of Sharif from becoming a complete dictator was the army and he was trying to manipulate the army to get his man on top.”**

But Imran Khan also said he did not believe that Pakistan was headed towards instability and a confrontation with neighbouring India.

“If anything, the country is more stable now,” he said.

Another party, the right-wing Jamaat-e-Islami party said Mr Sharif’s decision to pull forces out of Kashmir earlier this year meant he had to go.

“He was an incapable and a corrupt leader. He mishandled the economy, acted like a dictator and blundered on Kashmir,” a party official, Syed Munnawar Hassan said.

“The retreat was a setback for Pakistan, Kashmiris and the army of Pakistan. It was a betrayal of the Kashmir cause,” he said.

Opposition parties in Pakistan recently joined forces in an attempt to force out the Sharif government.

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So you do not condemn the illegal altering of the constitution as you have skirted around the issue instead of saying a straight yes or no? The issue is not what he overthrew the issue is of altering the constitution illegally, do you agree with it or not and should Musharraf be brought to justice for it. Yes or no.

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Everything that the great President Musharaf did was validated by the Supreme Court (including the certain Ifitikhar Chaudhry), and further validated by the elected Parliament under the 17th Amendment. If it was illegal, he would have been removed.

Who are we to argue against the will of the democratically elected Parliament. :)

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The illegal altering of the constitution after 3 Nov. has not been validated by any parliament or the Cheif Justice Ifitikhar. Do you agree with the illegal altering of the constitution, yes or no or is Musharraf above law and more important than Pakistan.

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All the steps taken were within the rights given to the President and COAS.

The great Pervaiz Musharaf carried them out with greatest of ease as he was allowed to, by the powers bestowed upon him by the elected Parliament. :)

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Where does the president have the right to change the constitution. Please enlighten me

Do you condemn his illegal altering of the constitution. Yes or no.

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There was nothing illegal that the Great President Musharaf did. :)

Everything that the great President Musharaf did was validated by the Supreme Court (including the certain Ifitikhar Chaudhry), and further validated by the elected Parliament under the 17th Amendment. If it was illegal, he would have been removed.

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You still haven't said under which law or order he is allowed to alter the constitution unilaterally. please do enlighten us on that.

Did he alter the constitution illegally or not. Yes or no. prove it by quoting law not just your sentiments for the illegal president.

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There was nothing illegal that the Great President Musharaf did. Whatever he did was validated by the Supreme Court (including the certain Ifitikhar Chaudhry), and further validated by the elected Parliament under the 17th Amendment. The validation by the Supreme Court and the elected Parliament has provided the seal of approval as not being illegal. :)

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Point proven. :)

Keep repeating it someday it might even sound credible. :)

After lifting the emergency and altering the constitution illegally I wonder which parliament was in session which approved his illegal alteration of the constitution.

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It is credible. Welcome to Pakistan. :)

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Yup where to some personality matter more than the country itself.

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Now, now. No need to put down the Supreme Court, and the elected Parliament, for the decisions they make. :)

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I use this analogy, your family business gets robbed by someone you appointed, you call the police who after chasing the guy away qabza your business, say you can’t run it, qabza it and employ the associates of the employee who helped him rob you as workers as reward for switching sides. Finally they blame you for calling the police in the first place…that my friends is the story of our generals and their supporters.