Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

ISLAMABAD, Mar 11 (APP): Pakistan’s economy may currently be in difficulties with fast rising inflation and the shortage of gas, electricity and flour, but between 2002 and 2006, it grew almost as strong as of India, a leading Indian magazine said.
Pakistan in many ways is better than India in terms of transport infrastructure and communication means, India’s investigative magazine ‘Tehelka’ reported.

In the report, William Dalrymple, an expert on South Asia who travelled through Pakistan said, “Driving last week along the dual carriageways of Sindh, a week after bumping through rural Rajasthan, there was no comparison between the roads on either side of the border.”

“Pakistan still has the best airports, motorway and road network in the region,” he said.

The writer says many incidents in 2007 including lawyers’ protest, Red Mosque episode, series of suicide bombings and proclamation of emergency led many to predict that Pakistan was looking more like a failed state stumbling towards full scale civil war and, possibly, even disintegration.

“However, the country I saw last week on a long road trip from Lahore down through rural Sindh to Karachi was very far from a failed state…Instead, as you travel around Pakistan today you can see the effects of recent economic boom everywhere,” the writer said.

Dalrymple said Pakistan could not be termed as “the most dangerous country in the world” as being propagated by many. Instead the country is enjoying a construction and consumer boom, with growth approaching 8 percent - “the fastest-rising stock market in Asia”.

As part of economic growth, the writer mentioned new shopping malls and restaurant complexes, the hoardings showing latest laptops and ipods, the cranes at buildings sites, the smart roadside filling stations and the smokestacks of factories, the new 4x4s jamming the roads and also the endless stores selling mobile phones.

The article says the country in 2003 had fewer than three million cell-phone users with rising to almost 50 million by today. The car ownership has been increasing at roughly 40 percent per year since 2001. Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) has risen from $322 million in 2002 to $3.5 billion in 2006.

Dalrymple said while going to Larkana, he was asked to beware of dacoits along certain roads ambushing people after dark.

“But by and large, the countryside I passed through was calm and beautiful, and not obviously less prosperous-looking than rural India.”

The cities of Pakistan, in particular, are fast changing beyond recognition in the fashion scene. Also remarkable things are happening in the world of books with a fine crop of major non-fiction writers such as Ahmed Rashid, Zahid Hussain and Ayesha Siddiqa at the front of the pack - there has been an amazing renaissance in English-language fiction, with fine writers like Kamila Shamsie, Nadeem Aslam, Daniyal Mueenuddin, Moni Mohsin, Ali Sethi and especially this year’s Booker short-listee, Mohsin Hamid, all for the first time giving their Indian counterparts a run for their money.

Dalrymple also mentions the incredible new world of media that had sprung up, a world of music videos, fashion programs, independent news networks, cross-dressing talk-show hosts, religious debates, and stock-market analysis.

He gives credit to the Musharraf government for the rise of media sector, which resulted in the flourishing of television, radio stations and newspapers over the past few years.

“Little of this has been reported in the Indian press, and Indians generally seem remarkably ill-informed about the changes which have been quietly but profoundly changing Pakistani society beneath the media image of military stagnation and jehadi horrorism.”

Well, if nothing else i,m little happy that atleast there are still some people who can see beyond all doom and gloom portryed against Pakistan in World media.
Things are obviously not very rosy at the moment but still it,s not as bad which will cause sort of disintegration for country as a lot of people outside it believe mostly through just biased media outlets.

P.S: Number of mobile phones in the country given in this article is 50 million but just listeneing the news yesterday it was saying that it has croossed 80 Million,
Which is nearly 50%of the total population.Which if true is even heigher than China,s Mobile panetration rate at the moment.
and more than twice to that of India,s.

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Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Alhamdulilallah. With great President Musharaf in power, the economy will continue to grow at an unprecedented rate. :k:

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Mashallah, now can anyone share with us by what percentage did trade deficit grow in both countries in same duration? Thanks.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Aalsi,

Read full article. It talks about 2002-2006, where as Mush took over in 1999 and continuing till today. Read following excerpt from the above article.

"The writer says many incidents in 2007 including lawyers’ protest, Red Mosque episode, series of suicide bombings and proclamation of emergency led many to predict that Pakistan was looking more like a failed state stumbling towards full scale civil war and, possibly, even disintegration."

After 2006, Pakistan's economy went down the drain. Pakistanis' don't want Mush to bring the country to further collapse.:(

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Ya first it was Nawaz Sharif's hanky pankies and then later on CJ's , that he was trying to clean up.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

The infrastructure is horrible in India.

The airports, government banks, government post offices, electricity offices, schools (everything run by the 'Babus') - is filthy, ineffiecient, high charging loss making, currupt and rude.

I would rather India had private organisations making high profits - than dealing with these 'rishwat khore babus'.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Guys why can't we take the quoted article at its face value? If Musharraf couldn't bring down the things from 2002-2006 (4 years), then it is not possible to "go down the drain" in 2007 (just one year), unless you are talking bout the Jihadis going down the sewer.

Coming back to the topic! William Dalrymple is a respected author, who is familiar with South Asia. Poor guy is not passing a judgment for Musharraf or against India. He simply talks about few things that are better in Pakistan. The thing is that some of these "things" were better than India even before Musharraf.

  1. Better roads.
  2. Better airports.
  3. Free (relatively) media.
  4. Overall better living conditions -

A typical Westerner may not know about these "superior" aspects of Pakistan, but ordinary Pakistanis and Indians do know about it after their very first visit across the border. Do google on Rediff and you will find plenty of Indian visitors going gaga over Pakistan's relative prosperity and cleanliness.

The reason Pakistan has been able to outperform India in these aspects is simple! Pakistan followed pro-West and free market policies. While India suffered under communist-socialist rule and pro-Soviet policies.

It is the same thing (albeit much exaggerated) between the two Koreas. South Korea! because of its free market economy is an Asian tiger, while the north is suffering under communists.

Thankfully Indians have gotten rid of the communist yoke (the yoke died just 15 years ago). Everyone knows that since the U-turn on poor Russians, India has progressed by leaps and bounds.

p.s. BTW the author talks about good things in Pakistan, and rightfully laments about the poor perception. Unfortunately he fails to point out that Pakistanis are far far behind Indians in one particular aspects. And that is "hospitality" and "tolerance" shown to the Westerners.

Mild mannered Indians were the crown even in the dark days of pro-communist rule. Not many Westerners were threatened just because of their political or religious inclinations.

Mother India was always smiling at the goras coming in the country. We in Pakistan have gone back to the dark days of Arab or Pashtoon tribalism where Westerners have to run for their life at least most of the time.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

pakistani airports i heard were better then indian ones...
not anymore...
hyderabad got a world class airport, banglore got second best in south asia after hyderabad..
the one in delhi will be completed in two years and that will be the best in the south asia once completed...
work started at new mumbai airport, kolkata airport, jaipur airport etc...
if you see their renderings they are at par with any world class airport in the world..

metro already exist in delhi and kolkata...
work has started in mumbai, hyderabad, banglore .... kolkata is expending..
number of other cities are already in planning phase of their own metros..

mass road transit system is planned/uc in many cities...
expressways are being planned/uc in many other places..

not to mention the new over the sea bridges mumbai is getting

in next five years... india will be generations ahead of any country in south asia.. i am not saying this because there are plans made.. i am saying this cuz work has started already..

so sit back and wait for the better india...

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Overall good to know. But....

I think he misunderstands what people mean when they say "Pakistan is the most dangerous". He seems to think it refers only to what happens to Pakistan inside Pakistan whereas what is meant is what can happen to the region and the world if certain things are not changed/controlled/eradicated in Pakistan.

What has english-fiction to do with economy or is indicative of? Kind of random, the only inference is, before there were only Indians and now some Pakistanis also write english fictsion!

This is a bit crasy. Why would Indians in general be so keenly interested in following economic and social developments in Pakistan when they themselves are working pretty hard to make ends meet, granted some are doing better than others? Apart from jehadi, cricket and weapons issues, average Indians have no reason or interest in Pakistan I think

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Is it really soo hard for various Pakistani's and Indians to fathom the bitter pill that Pakistan is actually progressing. Or is this pro-Pakistan information along with the many others which were written by respected international economic institutions not as factual as the program "Hum sub umeed se hain"? I'm sorry to say fellas, Musharraff's efforts directed towards progressing the economy has defeated the the efforts of lawyers, terrorists and politicians to stagnate the nation and the economy.

Furthermore, Pakistan's economic equality with the Indian economy must be a very bitter pill for the Indians to swallow, considering the fact that their economic boom started a few years before ours, the fact that their political parties are not hell bent on destroying the country and the fact that intense terrorism has not affected their economy. It must be quite disappointing for India to not have such major problems and still not be able to exceed Pakistan's economic boom...Keep trying guys.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

here.s full one
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main38.asp?filename=Ne080308on_the.asp

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine


True, if you give ten more years to Musharraf everyone in Pakistan will be roaming around Rs 100,000 in one hand and an RPG/Kk (or in company of a suicide bomber) in the other one.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Granted that Musharraff has not won the war on terrorism, and for that matter, he also did not win the support of the general public for that war. But despite his failures, I think he's bearing the brunt of mistakes of the previous governments that ruled Pakistan since the 70's. Every administration, with the exception of Musharraf's avoided and ignored the extremists in Pakistan. Obviously when you ignore a cut on your body, it turns into an infection. So in Musharraf's defence he is solving a problem, which never should have existed if previous governments had been competent.

With that said, I'd also like to point out that no argument I use, will pardon Musharraf for the blunder he has done. No matter how anyone puts it, when thousands of Pakistani's kill other thousands of Pakistani's...the head poncho is responsible.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Paki-man, that is not true at all for me and ALL felloe Indians I talk to. There are good reasons for us to want Pakistan to be a stable and growth oriented economy; here are some of the top

  • Pakistan has the sixth largest populations in the world and that represents a great market for out goods and services; Because of cultural identity, a vast percentage, in fact almost all, Indian materials, semi-finished and finished products will be applicable to Pakistanis. And easy reach would mean negligible additional costs of transport etc

  • We know that just like it was about 10 years ago in India, there is a layer of English capable youth in Pakistan that represent a cheap source of skilled labor. India may have a lot of people but that particular layer where entry to lower-midlevel technology jobs require more and more, not only for export to other countries, buts for India too

  • Two generations have moved on since partition and the wounds of partition are beginning to heal. This has dramatically reduced the ranks of anti-Pakistani hawks in India. At the same time Pakistan's nuclear capability has further reduced the ranks of the hawks who still harbor real enmity

  • We are both beginning to see some signs of high profile goodwill measures - such as the Pakistani baby heart transplant in Bangalore, Pakistan pardoning Kashmir Singh, Indian cricket board supporting PCB in the CA issue etc. Ofcourse all of these have political dimensions and under currents but overall there is a trend emerging.

India understood a long time ago what USA has just begun to understand. And that is - however weak the enemy may seem ....a) never go for the jugular unless you are willing to fully assimilate (knowing assimilation of the enemy into you means, you are prepared to change yourself which no nation has been ready to do in modern times) b) peace is better than a vain victory

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

Let understand somethings:
1) India is in no position to go for Pakistan's jugular or even one of the capillaries, so the possibility of assimilation or problems thereof does not arise.
2) India understands that peace is much better than confrontation...victory or otherwise is far from clear in this situation.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

^ if that is the vainglorious self-stoked ego you like, go for it baby. So be it. happy?

I look at this as a economic threa*d* and not a political or military threa*t*

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

You can look at it anyway you want but the fact remains the same as mentioned above.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

^ thanks for your permission to let me look at it anyway I want!:smack:

Do you have anything contribute to what is being discussed, now that you have established that Pakistani capillaries are safe from bad Indians?

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

I wish Indians were that smart when it comes to dealing with Pakistan. Indian peace is limited to the point where they can't pinch Pakistan anymore. Otherwise India has tried from 1947 until this very day to squeeze even the smallest bits and pieces from Pakistan. This is true on the border, in the economy, or in general terms.

You say the generation of 1947 is dying out. Well that's true. However it may not be purely beneficial for the two countries.

1947 generation held a lot of enmity for sure, but it also prized the things form the the other side of the hostile borders. For example in 1965 war, Indian CnC wanted to have a cup of tea in Lahore Gymkhana immediately after overrunning the Pak defenses.

Off course as a military general, you won't bomb the place where you plan to have a cup of tea.

Not only generals, but politicians had this faint memory of having lived on the other side. Now those connections are gone, and so are the mutual affections.

But the jabbing, and pinching the ribs kind of hate is still around. And that hate forces the current generation of 30 somethings to launch assault on the other side even in the cyber world.

The only hope in this gad-awful time is the mutual travel. Pakistanis who travel on the other side see with their own eyes the abject poverty and thank their lucky stars.

Indians who visit Pakistan get to see real Pakistan and not the one portrayed in the leftist-nationalist Indian media.

Even hawks like Advani become changed men after a visit. Unfortunately such changed men are promptly kicked out by the hawks.

So StirCrasy, I may not share your "we-better-than-you" type of attitude, but still there is hope even a tiny sliver's worth.

Re: Pakistan’s economy grew as strong as India’s in 2002 to 2006: Indian magazine

that is the whole point. it has to be trade, tourism, cultural exchange ...all those the cliches that we read in every speeches but in this case , those are the real medicine. May be we'll even get to a point where the goras can't double and triplle play us.

but it takes both sides.

ps: as you not sharing 'we better than you'....I don't think anyone is better than anyone else. you have your problems, we have ours. you have your swot and we have ours. just that our political problems are less complicated than your and our economic problems are more complicated than yours.