Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Nice try 
No one is defending anyone, pointing out that you scream about corruption, yet ignore the increase in corruption since 99.
‘Sorry’ if you don’t want people talking about this inconvenient fact.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
lol after reading his post #33 I was thinking about putting him on permanent ignore list. Apparently civility is unknown to him.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
*Politics of SROs
*[FONT=Arial,Arial]The 1973 constitution had clearly provided that " impostion, abolition, remissions, alteration or regulation of any tax" would fall in the jurisdiction of Finance Bill to be passed by the National Assembly. But during the Zia ul Haq era when there
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was no National Assembly, this powe was usurped by CBR which imposed duties, withdrew duties, exempted industries from paying off taxes and duties, made refunds with retrospective effects when somebody had to be favoured, simply by issuing SROs. The use of CBR and SRO's for imposing and changing rates of duties continued under both Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif because of their penchant for corruption, incompetence and mental subordination to bureaucracy. While in opposition, Finance Minister Sartaj Aziz had accused Benazir govt of " ruling through SROs" and had condemned " the illegal and unconstitutional practice of issuing SRO's without the approval of parliment". At a press conference on May 17,1996 he announced that the opposition was contemplating a move in the court against the practice of levying " taxation by issuing SRO's without the approval of the parliment". But SRO's have been issued and withdrawn with greater speed during second Nawaz Sharif govt than ever before. Earlier in 1993, when Nawaz Sharif was dismissed, caretaker Interior Minister has accused his govt of issuing SRO's seeking to slice the import duty on scrap " without lawful authority ". As on several other fronts, Benazir and Nawaz Sharif also fought a battle of the SRO's giving concessions to oneself and withdrawing concessions from the other. Thus while both used SRO's indiscriminately for personal ends, officials of CBR were encouraged to also use them to grind personal axes. One of the first official acts of Benazir Bhutto, both in 1998 and 1993 was to move CBR for an exemption in the import duty of Mercedes Cars for personal use. Similarly some of the sweetest dishes must have been to Prime Minister by the CBR issuing SRO's for the benefit of House of Ittefaq. Conversely when he was in opposition the hounds of CBR were let loose on him. The case of Prime Minister Sharif also shows how CBR is used by the rulers for greasing their palms or settling scores with the opponents.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
INCREASE :CareBear:
dude do you know the difference between increase and decrease?
pakistan has jumped from 2nd most corrupt to 42nd most corrupt in the world in transparency ratings, now please judge yourself if thats decrease or increase,
Thats why i said you are a laughting stock
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
*Benazir, Sharif - Cataloguing Corruption
*[FONT=Arial,Arial]Since 1988 Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif have been trading places and feeding stories of each other's corruption to the nation. To borrow an ancient proverb, they fell in ditches that they dug for each other. In 1988-90, when Benazir was prime minister and Nawaz Sharif chief minister, Punjab, Benazir was accused for taking kickbacks in airbus deals, trying to sell Roosevelt Hotel in New York owned by Pakistan International Airlines at throwaway prices and allot plots in Islamabad abandoned by Bengalis to favorites. Sharif's press adviser Hussain Haqqani gave currency to the title of " Mr Ten Percent " to Asif Zardari who was accused of setting up sugar mills through front men and pressurizing banks to dish out loans to his nominees. In retaliation, PPP came out with a list of 100 instances and cases of corruption by Mian Nawaz Sharif including allotment of 343 Kanals of prime and land in Murree to Zafar Iqbal of Abu Dhabi at throwaway prices, violating foreign exchange rules, over invoicing and under invoicing in business deals and use of funds beyond his discretionary powers.
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These charges were peanuts when viewed in the background of charges of corruption flying agaist the rulers and former rulers today. A chronology of the charges of corruption agaist former and present prime minister gives a measure of progress that Pakistan has made between 1990-97, in respect of corruption and plunder. First Benazir govt was dismissed on August 5, 1990, replaced by a caretaker govt headed by Ghulam Mustatfa Jatoi in which Kamal Azfar was Planning Minister and Zahid Sarfraz, Interior Minister. Like a ritual, the two ministers daily told tales of " royal couple's " corruption over television. In the last chapter we have already discussed a press conference by the federal Interior Minister, Zahid Sarfraz, at which he distributed documents showing that Asif Zardari, Hakim Ali Zardari and three other members of the family had submitted forged documents to borrow Rs 40,000 from the Agricultural Development Bank. In less than a decade and half this borrower of Rs 8,000 from ADBP was to emerge as one the richest man in Pakistan. Four references were filed against Benazir Bhutto, three against Asif Zardari and one against Hakim Ali Zardari. These included[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]: [FONT=Arial,Arial]Illegal allotment of Lakeview Hotel to a front man of Asif Ali Zardari. Illegal and irregular allotment of LPG Undue pressure on Habib Bank to sanction a loan for duty free shops to Fauzi Kazim. Award of contract for export of cotton at reduced prices to Releigh Brothers. Three references were filed against Asif Zardari for Use of pressure on Habib Bank Ltd to sanction Rs 70 crore ( 700 million) loan for Fine English Hotel and White and White Hotel Putting pressure on United Bank Ltd to sanction Rs 7 crore ( 70 million) loan to one Ghulam Mustafa Memon Putting pressure on Habib Bank for award of loan to Fauzi Ali Kazim who was reported to have stated in an affidavit that Zardari was holding 49% equity in the project. A reference was filed against Hakim Ali Zardari alleging that he had received Rs 24 lakh from Pakistan State Oil (PSO) for renting out 1000 yards of land that did not belong to him.
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In November 1990, Nawaz Sharif came into power and now, it was Benazir's turn to pay him in the same currency, accusing him of taking kickbacks in Lahore-Islamabad Motorways and Yellow Cab Scheme, selling family silver at throwaway prices, extracting huge loans from the nationalized banks to build the House of Ittefaq. Her harshest condemnation of government came in a well documented publication. The Plunder of Pakistan, which accused Nawaz Sharif of being responsible for the collapse of the cooperatives, manipulation of custom duties on iron scrap and several other irregularities. A "gang of four" comprising of the Nawaz Sharif family, Chaudris, Basharat Elahi (Brother-in-law of Zia ul Haq) and Saifullah was accused of milking the banks and financial institutions. A sustained compaign by Benazir against corruption of Nawaz Sharif, supplemented by independent reports in the press, provided the ammunition to President Ghulam Ishaq Khan to fire Nawaz Sharif and install a caretaker govt headed by Balkh Sher Mazari. Zahid Sarfraz was again there as chairman of an accountability committee. " Never in the political history of Pakistan and for that matter, in the history of entire world, a prime minister and his family has manipulated and devised policies to suit their personal business interests, as the deposed Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif did. Even a cursory probe into economic, fiscal and taxation policies of past govt reveals that its recurring single point agenda was to find ways and means to grab money and accumulate wealth", he declared at a press conference. The charges against Nawaz Sharif as tax evader and loan shark continued during three years of second Benazir govt and Nawaz Sharif claimed that 150 cases of corruption and irregularities were instituted against him and his family members. None was proved. It was alleged that Nawaz Sharif was evading taxes, caused a loss of Rs 2 billion in Lahore Development Authority (LDA) in allotment of plots, that he spent Rs 200 million from Baitulmal, Rs 845 million from Tameer-e-Watan program and the rural electrification program. But why is it that no single politician and bureaucrat has been convicted despite so clear circumstantial evidence against them. Is it because of brotherhood among thieves or because you can not set a thief to catch a thief? A plausible answer was provided by Chief Ehtasab Commissioner Mujadad Mirza at a press conference on December 17, 1996, convened to discount the impression that his office was slow in processing cases of corruption.
Mirza said his office was reluctant to make public details of several cases of corruption because those involved in the cases might " destroy the evidence and win over the witnesses". This is exactly what has happened in most of corruption cases filed against previous rulers.
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In the references about Lakeview Hotel and sanction of loan by Habib Bank to duty free shops against Benazir Bhutto, Shafi Sehwani, the member planning, CDA and Safdar Abbas Zaidi, President Habib Bank were the key witness. Their refusal to testify won them lucrative jobs in the next govt. Sehwani was rewarded with chairmanship of the Capital Development Authority and Safdar Abbas Zaidi was appointed head of Pakistan Investment Board when Bhutto came into power in 1993. The reference of LPG against Benazir was not proved because the whole record about allotment of LPG had disappeared but the official incharge was rewarded with a promotion after the change of the govt. The biggest charge against Nawaz Sharif during 1990-93 related to sanction of loans at inflated cost estimates for sugar mills manufactured by Ittefaq Foundary and bulk of these loans was made available by Bankers Equity Limited. After the dismissal of Nawaz govt, chairman BEL Saeed Sadiq was appointed office Secretary in Pakistan Muslim League secreteriat in Islamabad. On November 5, 1996, Benazir Bhutto was dismissed for the second time and a series of corruption charges were framed against her, in the dismissal order and the statement filed by President Farooq Leghari, in the Supreme Court of Pakistan. These included charges that a 2.5 million Pound Sterling retreat was purchased as Surrey, for which household goods were sent in 21 cartons by PIA Hakim Ali Zardari purchased two Mansions located at Chemin Department 921, Mensil Liebray for 6 million Francs and at Mormanville Hameau, in 1990. Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Resources awarded US dollars 3,50,000 study to messers Improved Petroleum Recovery (IPR), represented by a company of Saif group of Petroleum Minister Anwar Saifullah. It was alleged that 12.5 acres of land was alloted for the construction of a hospital by brother of Anwar Saifullah, as a joint venture with CDA in which CDA was to take part by providing land worth Rs 300 million as its equity. Land was also alloted to nine institutions at highly reduced price for construction of educational institutions worth Rs 329 for merely Rs 40 million. Allottees included Sindh People Welfare Trust headed by none other but Benazir Bhutto, mother of Shahnaz Wazir Ali and sister of Nahid Khan, political secretary to Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
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Sixteen acres of land at Shakarparian in Islamabad was alloted to Messers Inter Pak Hotels in which Asif Zardari's brother in law had an interest, for construction of hotel, as a joint venture with CDA. The land was valued at Rs 310 million of which allottee was required to pay Rs 10 million while Rs 150 million was to be treated as CDA equity and balance Rs 150 million was to be paid in installments over ten years period. As in her previous stint, this time also Benazir Bhutto was accused of irregularities in award of quota for 190 tons of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) involving a daily profit of Rs 16,72,000 or Rs 582 million per annum to four favorites. According to an article in The Friday Times, Senator Gulzar who was given quota of 30 tons per annum in 1988-90 was awarded a quota of 50 tons yielding him of an income of Rs 4,40,000 per day or Rs 160 crore (1600 million) per annum. LPG which was to become available in September 1997 (350 tons) and September 1998 (35 tons) was allocated to him in anticipation. One single firm ARY Trading was given monopoly for import of gold. Hussain Lawai, President Muslim Commercial Bank who was allegedly involved in the deal had to tender his resignation from the Bank, was arrested by FIA, allowed to leave Pakistan and is now living with owner of ARY Trading in Dubai. Two Swiss firms were given the contract for pre-shipment inspection of imports for which they were paid Rs 5 billion per annum. It was because of the commission paid by these companies that Bhutto family accounts in Switzerland were seized. Of all charges against Benazir, only one case relating to commission and cutbasks in award of gold monopoly to ARY Traders has been registered against Benazir Bhutto so far.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Blah, blah, your talking your usual MQM B.S.
How many more lies are you going to tell?
In the 2007 corruption rankings, it was no.7
2007 Transparency International report shows more Pakistanis believe corruption had increased since 1999.
Here’s the website, have a read, and stop posting lies
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
INCREASE :CareBear:
dude do you know the difference between increase and decrease?
pakistan has jumped from 2nd most corrupt to 42nd most corrupt in the world in transparency ratings, now please judge yourself if thats decrease or increase,
suhaib, please stop making up the stuff. I posted an article on 1st page of this thread. Pakistan went from 2 to 7 not 42 in corruption index. You may want to flip back the page and see it for yourself.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
before actully posting a link try and read it yourself, :CareBear: i understand you dnt know the difference between increase and decrease but now you cant even read :CareBear:
dude your own links shows that corruption in pakistan is on the decrease
ever wondered why most people on this forum think your a laughting stock.
you can not even protect your own lies now,
Zadari chamchas droping to new levels.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
suhaib, please stop making up the stuff. I posted an article on 1st page of this thread. Pakistan went from 2 to 7 not 42 in corruption index. You may want to flip back the page and see it for yourself.
dude stop trying to protecty your baseless facts, the most solid source for corruption is the transparency organization not some 2 cent site made up by your chamcha zadari, even real deal posted the site showing corruption is on the decrease, your source is baseless as saleem gave the facts from the transparency site, even there rankings released last year in september shows pakista moved from 2nd most corrupt to 42nd which is a major achivements so swallow the facts.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
What is “42nd most corrupt” in your books?
Visit thread below:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=272333
and post:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=5537195&postcount=9
Pakistan is 11th from bottom in 2007 when 179 countries were evaluated, Pakistan was 11th from bottom in 1998 when 85 countries were evaluated. You are probably confused by how many countries are listed below Pakistan, that is wrong way of reading this list. You have to see ranking of the country. There are many countries which “share” the ranking, hence Pakistan is 11th in 2007.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Brother, I know that there is some problem with English language when understanding things … But I never knew that there is problem in figures too :). This is the Transparency Inernational ‘2007’ corruption perception list. According to this list there are:
42 countries more corrupt or as corrupt as Pakistan. (Hence Pakistan rank is 43 … not 7).
http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2007/cpi2007/cpi_2007_table
If you want to know the names of the countries more corrupt or as corrupt as Pakistan … start counting. Pakistan is 43 … as there are 42 countries more corrupt or as corrupt as Pakistan. I am putting the names of countries because if I do not, I know that you would still keep saying that Pakistan is 7th 
… though I believe that regardless … you will still say what you are saying few post latter.
[This is how BB and NS … with their propagandist in media and in public cons Pakistani ignornat masses, that they keep saying they are angels when actually they are devils … and rely on repeating lies so many times that people start believing it as true]
43: Pakistan …
42: Camaroon … 41: Ethiopia … 40: Paraguay … 39: Syri
38: Gambia … 37: Indonesia … 36: Russia … 35: Togo
34: Angola … 33: Guinea-Bissau … 32: Nigeria … 31: Azerbaijan
30: Belarus … 29: Congo … 28: Cote d’lvoire … 27: Ecuador
26: Kazakhstan … 25: Kenya … 24: Kyrgyzstan … 23: Liberia
22: Sierra Leone … 21: Tajikistan … 20: Zimbabwe … 19: Bangladesh
18: Combodia … 17: Central African Republic … 16: Papua New Guinea …
15: Turkmenistan … 14: Venezuele … 13: Congo … 12: Equatorial Guinea
11: Guinea … 10: Laos … 9: Afghanistan … 8: Chad … 7: Sudan
6: Tonga … 5: Uzbekistan … 4: Haiti … 3: Iraq … 2: Myanmar … 1: Somalia
[Perception noted by Transparency International is that Somalia is the most corrupt country in 2007].
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Brother, I know that there is some problem with English language when understanding things ... But I never knew that there is problem in figures too :). This is the Transparency Inernational '2007' corruption perception list. According to this list there are:
42 countries more corrupt or as corrupt as Pakistan. (Hence Pakistan rank is 43 ... not 7).
o bhai, read the table as it is supposed to. Read the title of the table you are referring to, there might be 41 or 42 countries below Pakistan in the list but pay attention to the "rank", rank 138 (of Pakistan) is 11th from bottom.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Transparency International Global Corruption Barometer 2007 for Pakistan finds corruption in Media and Judiciary reduced considerably
Karachi** 6th November 2007**: In the GCB 2007 survey report released by Transparency International, citizens who paid bribe of in Pakistan in 2007 has increased to over 30% as compared to 15% in 2006, a 100% increase in corruption. The most corrupt sectors amongst 14 sectors surveyed are Police (4.3), followed by Tax (4.1), and Utilities department, Political Parties, and Registry and permit services (3.9). The least corrupt are Religious Groups (2.7) followed by Education (3.0), Military (3.2), and Media (3.3), (1 meaning not at all corrupt, 5 meaning extremely corrupt)
Globally Political parties are ranked as the most corrupt(4.0) and Police as the second Most Corrupt (3.6), and Religious Bodies as the least Corrupt(2.8).
According to GCB 2007, only 20% of the citizens in Pakistan think that the government effort to fight corruption is somewhat effective as compared to Singapore where 88% of the citizens of think that the government effort to fight corruption as the most effective.
The most improved sectors in anticorruption efforts in last the 12 months are Judiciary and Media, and the sectors where the corruption has increased are Tax and NGOs.
Syed Adil Gilani, Chairman TI Pakistan said that Pakistan needs to have Rule of Law in the country, and political will to apply rules and regulation across the board, to achieve the goal of reducing corruption. Political will, judicial independence and effective non-discriminatory accountability mechanism, for those civil/defence departments as well as the public corporations and authorities not complying with the procedures including appointments, privatization and Public Procurement Rules 2004, is urgently needed to successfully combat corruption which is defined as “ Misuse of Authority for personal gain”.
http://www.transparency.org.pk/PressRelease/Pakistan_Press_Release%20GCB%202007.doc
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Captain saheb … I read the table of transparency international carefully and I believe I have enough knowledge to read the table and do not get misguided by propaganda.
Where are you getting your information … from Zardari house? … You do not even want to take information from transparency international own site about their own data and quoting something ridiculous? Can’t you make any sense?
How you come to that table? Was it given to you by corruption King ‘NS’ or corruption Queen ‘BB’ or her corrupt husband ‘AAZ’?
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Personally I think Musharraf's only crime was the incident of May 12. Otherwise he has done better to cope with the situations arising during his 9 years of rule.
I agree. He brought a lot of stability to Pakistan, his first 5-6 years were absolutely amazing. Its just sad to see how it all is ending now.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
I agree. He brought a lot of stability to Pakistan, his first 5-6 years were absolutely amazing. Its just sad to see how it all is ending now.
And all what has happened after May 12?! Some never learn from history.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
In light of above, I'm of the view that either Zardari is totally innocent, and spend 8 years in jail for crimes he did not commit, or govt is totally incompetent and it failed to prove anything against Zardari. In either case its govts fault.
Zardari should sue the govt. for wrongful imprisonment. Why is he not complaining?
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Lagta aap ko unglee pakarwa kar chalana paray ga:
Watch/read carefully:
Read the text in circle in pic above, what does it say? “Rank”, right? Now watch/read pic below:
What “Rank” is shown for Pakistan, country above Pakistan and country below Pakistan? Does it say 138 by any chance for more than 1 countries? When more than 1 country scores same (2.4 in this case) they are given same rank. Does it makes sense to you so far? Let me know if you need further training.
Now stop being childish and not talk about Zardari and company, seems like you are as much educated as Zardari.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Zardari should sue the govt. for wrongful imprisonment. Why is he not complaining?
Why should he? NS made apologize to him personally after NS was under arrest and Zardari came to visit him in prison. After that NS even admitted producing some false cases against Zardari.
Re: Pakistan Rich list (official): Zardari 2nd richest with 1.8 billion dollars.
Why should he? NS made apologize to him personally after NS was under arrest and Zardari came to visit him in prison. After that NS even admitted producing some false cases against Zardari.
Is this the same NS that signed the papers to stay out of Pakistan and then denied ever signing such papers until it was proved he did actually sign it to his embarrassment? BTW, I am impressed by the wealth NS and Zaradri have accumulated. Mashallah, nazar na lagay.