Pakistan Railways in Shambles

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A few months ago, news was published that PR is going to be connected with Europe via Baluchistan and Iran. Off and on such kinds of lies published for Railways for many years. PR which is running with heavy losses, under debt of billions is in a very poor state. The tracks are bad; I wonder how passengers feel when they know that the coach running at 70 mph on a cracked track can derail any time. The rescue equipment is out of date, the 65 ton crane runs on steam power is as old as more than 100 years. The break in the jib of crane while lifting the derailed coaches shows how equipments are dilapidated and needs immediate replacement. pehlay apnay ghar ko to thik karo phir oonchay khwab dekho.

Poor employees died during relief operation as tons of debris fell on them. The government should pay compensation for the lives and who injured during performing their duties.

DAWN.COM | National | Train derails; two die during rescue operation

**SANGHAR, Dec 4: Two men died and seven others suffered injuries when main arm of a crane broke into two and fell on people in the course of lifting eight bogies of Karakoram Express, which derailed at Lundo railway station early on Friday. **

**The train was going to Karachi when it derailed, damaging almost half of the platform. Villagers and people living near the railway station rescued passengers trapped in the bogies. **

**They shifted the injured to Shahdadpur and provided food and transport to others till a railway crane arrived to lift the bogies and put them back on tracks. **

**In the course of lifting the coaches, its arm broke into two and fell on rescuers, killing Mohammad Rafiq Rajput, 55, and Imran Mughar, 16, on the spot and injuring seven others. Lundo station master Abdul Ghani blamed cracked tracks for the accident and ruled out sabotage. **

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merge with indian railways...they'll show how to run railways efficiently with lil resources :)

Timepass February 2015 _ Jashn e BaharaN
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At least they can learn from Indian Railways. All officers and key employees should be sent to India for training. PR should only import heavy equipment from India and save billions of foreign exchange. The stupid people of PR.

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merge with indian railways...they'll show how to run railways efficiently with lil resources
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Timepass February 2015 _ Jashn e BaharaN
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thanx for ur business sense...i thought u might get upset and yell at me but truely it does make sense...what the neighbours are for...i think we must forget our differences atleast for doing busines :)**

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Timepass February 2015 _ Jashn e BaharaN
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thanx for ur business sense...i thought u might get upset and yell at me but truely it does make sense...what the neighbours are for...i think we must forget our differences atleast for doing busines
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My dear I have no hidden agenda, what I speak is unbiased and make sense to sensible people. Previous military government imported $billions of defective locomotives and coaches from China, yet adding to the complexity of maintenance. PR had to incur billions of Rs to modify the plat forms of stations accross the country as coaches frames were hitting the plat forms. Instead, PR people should have imported these heavy equimpment from India with less than half of the price with no transportation charges, saving billions. alas the stupid people......the hate with India has made minds prejudice and ineffective, the thinking power has gone down the drain. Because of the hatred, it is o.k. to sustain losses but it is not o.k. to do business with India and improve the working of Railways, 98% of the population travel on rail, still safe, cheapest and comfortable mode of transport.

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i agree. i've lived 2/3rds og my life in india and i've enjoyed travelling on indian railways comfortably and safely and cheaply. i think the fares are one of the lowest in the world. i travel Allahabad-Delhi sector [650 kms] in first AC in Rajdhani express for less than 50 dollars canadian.**

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^^^

Can you post photographs of latest locomotives and coaches manufactured by India? What is the maximum speed of a passenger train? I hope some one from PR should read this thread and offer some insight of the working.

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Shatabdi is India’s fastest train which currently runs at 150 km/hr but has been tested at 160 km/hr. the latest coaches are called LHB coaches, entirely designed N built in india and is used in Rajdhani express trains as wll…soon i will have post about indian railways…i am a rail enthusiast btw :slight_smile: u’m glad that u’ve some interest in railways :slight_smile:

this is shatabdi express and the latest LHB coaches:…amazing video:**


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Rajdhani Express with LHB coaches with IR’s most recent WAP 7 electric locomotive: two Rajdhani’s travelling in the same direction, both close to New Delhi [destination]…a rare occurrence: Rajdhanis rum at 140 kms/hr**:

shatabdi ride. video shot from inside the cabin of the WAP6 electric locomotive:


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now lasty but not the least:

indi’a luxury train, Palace on Wheels, the indian equivalent of the Orient Express, enjoy!**

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Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta,

Thanks for shearing wonderful videos on Indian Railways. 160 kph is equivalent to 100 mph as compared to Pakistan's 70 mph. You know what Pakistan Railway has the German technology of manufacturing LHB coaches. I think it only needs upgarde. The factory is in Islambad, installed in perhaps late 60's or in 70's. It had manufactured a number of LHB coaches. I don't know what is its present status? Instead of importing defective coaches from China, PR should have imported LHB coaches from India along with up graded technology, which had not only saved precious foreign exchange, lower costs and employment to number of local people. alas the stupid people of Pakistan.....

You have shown electice locomotive, I want to know what Diesel Electric Locomotive is manufactured in India now a days? How many kinds exist?

Pakistan in DE catogory has or had: Alco, GM, GMCU (Candaian) Alesthom(French), ALPW (Austrailian), General Electric, Hitachi (Engine Alco, Electic Equipment-Japan), Hegensial(German-Engine GM, Electric Equipment-German), ARU and ARP(Original Alco, Refurbished from Bombardier-Canada, and locally refubished from parts imported from Canada) and finally chinese, I don't know its make.

The most successful category is Alco, GM and G.E. all US made. Alco is now obsolete, but I think still manufactured in India and other countries under license, perhaps the most successful technology in DE locmotives category.

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Good discussion.

PR can save billions by trading with India. For eg. PR is now buying some of the best equipment and have placed an order from China for those (axles and other related stuff). China doesnt have the manufacturing quality of that level but they are buying it from India and selling it to PR, but @ triple the price. The earlier supplies from china are bad and hence PR is insisting on Indian made supply. If PR deals directly with Indian companies, they will get at 1/3rd the price.

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thank you so much for liking the discussion.
TRUE, and this will benefit the two nations directly and also pave the way for better trading co-operation in other spheres and surely that will lead to better relations. i hope cooler heads will prevail. thanks for joining in the discussion.

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An excellent revelation. Where are the people who does not want trade relations with India? See how China has deceived Pakistan by enterring such venture with India, where as Pakistan Government could have directly dealt by negotiating with India and saved millions and millions of foreign exchange. alas the stupid people....

Still there is a time to wake up PR people and start talking with counter parts in India.

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Helloooooooooooooooooo "sleepers" first try to solve the issues then do trade.

NEW DELHI: Indian Army Lieutenant Colonel PS Purohit procured the explosives used in the 2007 Samjhota Express train bombing and 2008 Malegaon blast, Indian police told a court in Nashik city on Saturday.

Maharashtra police said the colonel had obtained 60 kilogrammes of the explosive from Jammu and Kashmir in 2006 according to a witness in the Malegaon blast case. The court remanded the colonel in police custody until November 18.

Meanwhile, Hindu ascetic Sadhvi Pragya Singh and Lt Col Purohit tested negative in narco tests on direct involvement in the Samjhota Express bombing, but gave important clues about their clandestine network. The Mumbai Police ATS is now tracing two followers of Sadhvi and an Indore-based Hindu Jagran Manch that they believe are the ‘missing link’ in the Samjhota Express bombing, said a senior security official who is part of the investigations.

The suitcases that were used to blow up three carriages of Samjhota Express were traced to Indore, which has emerged as a hub of clandestine activities of Hindu militant groups.

First all issues on table then do trade.

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While Talking about Railways and how expensive they are when bought from China, lets see this news item... it has some interesting reasons for locomotives being expensive from China....

Islamabad, July 11 (ANI): The United States has reprimanded Pakistan for the multi billion rupee Railway scam in which an US firm was denied a fair chance to secure a contract of a whopping 12.5 billion rupees. According to The News, US Senator, Robert P Casey Jr has written a letter to President Asif Ali Zardari telling him about the massive irregularities committed by some of the Pakistan Railway Board’s top officials while purchasing 75 electric locomotives from China.
The two page letter, which was delivered to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington recently, warned Zardari that the ‘insufficient transparency and demonstrated irregularities’ could hamper country’s reputation in the international community and would seriously undermine the much needed confidence in its governing institutions.
Casey, in his strong-worded letter, has asked Zardari to stop the finalization of the deal between the Chinese firm and the Railways Ministry.
“I am concerned to hear that notwithstanding the clear pattern of irregularities in the bid process, Pakistan Railways is now moving towards finalising the purchase order. I feared that the finalisation of the tender after a process marked by insufficient transparency and demonstrated irregularities could negatively impact Pakistan’s reputation in the international community and undermine needed confidence in its governing institutions,” the letter stated.
“I look forward to hearing from you that how interests of my constituents are protected equitably,” it added.
Despite several shortcomings, the Pakistan Railways had awarded a tender to a Chinese firm to supply 75 locomotives, and deliberately ignored the American company’s bid.
However, Presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar has denied receiving any such letter.
“I have not heard about it,” said Babar.
Meanwhile, the top honchos of the Railways Ministry functionaries have confessed before the National Assembly’s Special Committee on Railways about the alleged irregularities. (ANI)

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surely it needs serious reforms.
i had the opportunity to travel in new trains few years back after railway reforms while going on holidays and always preferred trains over car travel for medium distances.

recently went on train ride in same train and i was shocked to see the state of the room, as if it was really badly managed, not only the condition of the room worsened but service and timings as well, before for 600 mile distance it took around 5.5-6 hours including stops and now almost 8-9 hours.

Is this website legit?
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WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!

u know what the average speed wud have been? almost 100 miles an hour NON STOP.....even now, as u say, 8-9 hours wud be considered super.

india's fastest train, Shatabdi Express, travelling at 160 kms an hour [Delhi to Bhopal] covers 710 kms in 7 hours coz that train makes one stop at Agra and has to slow down due to various reasons, including track repairs, track not available, congestion on the network.

please check ur facts and then let us know. thank you**

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Ahhh is that so
we should by trains from India? hmmmm ok then u do not know the history of Indian rails sweethearts.

1981
6 June 1981 – Bihar train disaster, India: Hundreds are killed (300-800) when a train falls into a river.
17 July 1981 – A freight train slams into the back of a NARMADA EXPRESS train in Madhya Pradesh, India, killing 700 people and injuring 43.
19 July 1981 – In an incident blamed on sabotage, a train traveling to Ahmedabad from New Delhi, India, derailed in Gujarat, killing 30 people and injuring 70.
31 July 1981 – Six coaches of a train derail near Bahawalpur, India, killing 43 and injuring 50.
Early morning of 11 Feb 1981 three trains travelled on same track collide with each other in VANIYAMBADI 199 KM from CHENNAI killing many people.

1982
27 January 1982 – A freight train and an express passenger train collided head-on in heavy fog near Agra, India, killing 50 and injuring 50.
20 March 1982 – A Mangalore-to-New Delhi train slammed into a tourist bus at a level crossing in Andhra Pradesh, snapping the bus in two, killing at least 59 people on the bus and injuring 25 others.
[edit] 1985
23 February 1985 – Rajnandgaon train fire, Madhya Pradesh, India: Over 50 people were killed when an express train catches fire.
13 June 1985 – Agra rail disaster, Argra, India: 38 people were killed in a collision.
[edit] 1986
10 March 1986 – Khagaria rail disaster, over 50 people are killed in a collision in Bihar.
[edit] 1987
8 July 1987 - Machieral rail disaster, 53 people killed in the derailment of a train in Andhra Pradesh.
[edit] 1988
8 July 1988 - Ashtamudi Lake rail disaster, passenger train falls in the lake after derailing, 107 people drowned.
[edit] 1989
18 April 1989 – Lalitpur rail disaster, near Lalitpur, Uttar Pradesh, India: 75 killed when train derails.
1 November 1989 – Sakaldiha, Uttar Pradesh: Udyan Abha Toofan Express derailed; 48 people died[1].

1990
16 April 1990 – Patna rail disaster, near Patna, India: 70 killed as shuttle train is gutted by fire.
6 June 1990: Thirty-five killed in a train accident at Gollaguda in Andhra Pradesh.
25 June 1990: Sixty killed as a goods train rams into a passenger train at Mangra in Daltongunj in Bihar.
Oct 10, 1990: Forty killed in a fire in a train near Cherlapalli in Andhra Pradesh.
[edit] 1991
Oct 31, 1991: Thirty killed as Karnataka Express derails near Makalidurga ghats in Karnataka,about 60kms from Bangalore on a rainy evening.
[edit] 1992
Sept 5, 1992: Forty-one killed in a train accident near Raigarh in Madhya Pradesh.
[edit] 1993
16 July 1993: Sixty killed in an accident in Darbhanga district of Bihar.
Sept 21, 1993: Seventy-one killed as Kota-Bina passenger train collides with a goods train near Chhabra in Rajasthan.
[edit] 1994
3 May 1994: Thirty-five people killed as Narayanadri Express rams into a tractor in Nalgonda district of Andhra Pradesh.
26 Oct 1994: Twenty-seven killed as 8001 DN Mumbai - Hawrah mail caught fire on its S5 Sleeper class coach between Lotapahar and Chakradharpur stations (SE Railway) at 02.51 AM.
[edit] 1995
14 May 1995: Fifty-two people killed as Madras-Kanyakumari Express collides with a goods train near Salem.
1 June 1995: Seventy-three killed in two accidents in West Bengal and Orissa.
Aug 20, 1995: Three hundred and two killed as Delhi-bound Purushottam Express rams into the stationary Kalindi Express near Firozabad in Uttar Pradesh.
[edit] 1996
18 April 1996: Sixty killed as Gorakhpur-Gonda passenger train rams into a stationary goods train at Domingarh near Gorakhpur in Uttar Pradesh.
14 May 1996: Thirty-five of a marriage party killed as bus carrying them collides with the Ernakulam-Kayamkulam train at an unmanned level-crossing near Alappuzha in Kerala.
25 May 1996: Twenty-five killed as an Allahabad-bound passenger train rams into a tractor-trolley at an unmanned level crossing near Varanasi.
Dec 30, 1996: Thirty-three people killed in a bomb blast on the Brahmaputra mail between Kokrajahar and Fakiragram stations in lower Assam.
[edit] 1997
8 July 1997: Thirty-three people killed in bomb blast on a passenger train at Lehra Khanna railway station in Bhatinda district in Punjab.
28 July 1997: Twelve people killed in a collision involving Karnataka Express and Himsagar Express near Faridabad on the outskirts of Delhi.
Sept 14, 1997: Eight-one killed as five bogies of the Ahmedabad-Howrah Express plunge into a river in Bilaspur district of Madhya Pradesh.
[edit] 1998
4 April 1998: Eleven people killed near Fatuha station on Howrah-Delhi main line as Howrah-Danapur Express derails between Fatuha and Bankaghat stations.
24 April 1998: Twenty-four killed and 32 injured at Parali Vaijanath railway station in Maharashtra as 15 wagons of a goods train Ram into the Manmad-Kachiguda Express.
Aug 13, 1998: Nineteen killed and 27 injured as a bus rams into the Chennai-Madurai Express train at an unmanned level-crossing on the new Karur-Salem bypass road on the outskirts of Karur town.
Sept 24, 1998: Twenty people, including 14 school children, killed and 33 injured when a train engine rams into a bus at an unmanned level-crossing near Bottalaapalem village in Andhra Pradesh.
Nov 26, 1998: Over 200 people die as Jammu Tawi-Sealdah Express rams into three derailed bogies of Amritsar-bound Frontier Golden Temple Mail near Ludhiana.
[edit] 1999
16 July 1999: Seventeen killed and over 200 injured as the new Delhi-bound Grand Trunk Express from Chennai collides with derailed wagons of a goods train near Mathura.
Aug 2, 1999: 268 killed and 359 injured in a collision involving Awadh-Assam Express and Brahmaputra Mail at Gaisal in North Frontier Railway's Katihar division.

2003
On 15 May, 2003, fire breaks out in Golden Temple Mail at 3.55 hrs between Ludhiana and Ladhowal stations, resulting in 36 deaths and 15 injuries
On 22 June, 2003, the train engine and first four coaches of Karwar-Mumbai central Holiday Special derailed and capsized at about 21.15 hrs.52 persons lost their lives and 26 others were injured.
On 2 July, 2003, Golconda Express derailed at Warangal station at 10.25 hrs. 21 persons were dead and 24 injured.[2]
[edit] 2006
11 July 2006 – A series of bomb attacks strikes commuter trains in Mumbai, India, killing at least 200.[3]
18 August 2006 two carriages catch fire on the Chennai-Hyderabad Express near Secundrabad station
9 November 2006 – India- 40 die and 15 injured in a West Bengal rail accident.[citation needed]
20 November 2006 – India- A bomb explodes on a train near Belacoba station in West Bengal, India, killing 7 and injuring 53. See 2006 West Bengal train disaster.[4]
1 December 2006 – Bihar, India - Bhágalpur in the Ganges a portion of the 150-year-old 'Ulta Pul' bridge being dismantled collapsed over a passing train of India's Eastern Railways, killing 35 and injuring 17.[5][6]
[edit] 2009
13 February 2009 – India- Twelve carriages of the Coromandel Express derails soon after the train left Jajpur Road station near the city of Jajpur in the state of Orissa.[7] Interestingly, the accident occurred on the day of Railway Budget presentation when Railway Minister Mr Lalu Prasad Yadav boasted about increased safety measures at Indian Railways.
21 October 2009 – India- 21 people died and several others injured when locomotive of Goa Express rammed the rearmost carriage of stationary Mewar Express near Mathura, Uttar Pradesh. Initially the railways officials held driver responsible for the overlooking the signal but in the investigation it was proved that the signal was given green even though Mewar express was held up ahead due to chain pulling by passengers, by tempering with the signaling system. I have personally experienced this several times and it is a routine work in Indian Railways. I work as train driver in Indian Railways.[8]
11th November 2009: 10 coaches of 6210 Mysore-Ajmer express derails 80kms bfore Pune;No casualities reportes

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happyheart,

Please don't derail the thread by posting irrelevant and off tangent posts. The thread is not discussing terrorism and railway accidents in India. This is only an economic issue and one of the ways to improve working of PR. The reason PR is in such state of affairs is because people like you knowing nil about system poke their noses in most technical government own department. Because of such attitude, the technical officers/management has failed in past and forced to take wrong decisions like importing below standard equipment from China and other places. The general who headed previously bambooed railways, got his commission on such shady deals now enjoying his life. Tell me who is suffering now? perhaps not you or corrupt general, but majority of poor population who travel on rail. For God sake Leave Railway alone let the railway men decide what they want.

Involving in Railway affairs by tom, dick and harry is like involving parchoon walas in military affairs. The only difference is that stupid parchoon walas get heavy kick at behind. On the otherhand railway men get the kick on their behinds if they don't listen to stupid parchoonwalas.

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Perhaps this deal was made by previous government. If what you have posted is the truth, PM or President should intervene immediately and stop this shady deal. Importing from India is ideal, but importing from US is next to ideal. US is one of the pioneer in evolving railway systems. Their Alco, GM and GEU brands are superb locomotives and successfully completed their useful lives in PR system. Still a number of these locomotive working fine in harsh, sandy and extreme hot weather in Pakistan.

"Pain" And "Paindo"
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8-9 hours i said is what being offered currently and before when this new train was launched it was 140KM/hour.
ran by the name korakoram express, from karachi its started at 4pm and its arrival time in lahore was 9am, although what i heard it used tobe late.

i didnt travel till lahore in it but within sindh province but for us it was great from karachi to Rohri/sukkur 5.5-6 hours including one stop total distance around 500 kms

furthermore we dont have long distances as its in india so speed is a factor but personal opinion i want is quality of service and interior.

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