Re: Pakistan Railways, A Sinking Ship
aab bloor saab apnay ghatiya cinemas chalain ya railway.
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I LOL on your stupid knowledge about the railways. If you don’t know abc of Pakistan Railways it is better to avoid brain farting. Before you write anything nonsese like above read the history of Pakistan Railway carefully and see the real causes of failure rather than proving yourself as stupid. Look at the earnings though report says it was also not upto the mark but Railway earned highest revenue during 2008-2009. Read as follows:
http://pc.gov.pk/feg/PDFs/role of connectivity in growth strategy of pakistan.pdf
3.2 Rail Transport
Railways all over the world have an edge in long haul and mass scale transportation of both
goods and passengers. In Pakistan, it was the primary mode of transport till seventies. Since
then its share has declined due to the shift in government’s preference towards road over rail
transport. During 2005-10, budgetary expenditure on railways was only rupees 45.5 billion
whereas for national highways it stood at rupees 155 billion (GoP, 2010). Today railway’s share
of inland traffic has reduced from 41 percent to 10 percent for passenger and 73 percent to 4
percent for freight traffic.
Timely and safe delivery of goods to the North from the port, in the South, became a major
issue after the shift in preferences of policy-makers. After the creation of National Logistic Cell
(NLC) to clear the goods from Karachi port, Pakistan Railways (PR) has always found it difficult
to regain its historical position. This has further pushed PR backward. Since 1990-91, total track
length has decreased from 8,775 to 7,791 kilometers. Similarly total freight and passengers
carried has decreased from 5,709 to 3,925 million tones and 84.9 to 58.9 millions, respectively.
However in the last decade, PR has shown some encouraging trend in both passenger and
freight businesses registering an average increase of 3.2 percent and 4 percent per annum,
respectively. A significant reduction in businesses during the last year has been attributed to
economic slowdown and security problems. There has also been a shortage of locomotives due
to non procurement of spare parts. Much of the rolling stock destroyed during December 2007
riots is still to be repaired. This delay has been mainly due to reduction in PSDP allocation and
poor domestic facilities. Majority of the recently acquired engines from China are also facing
maintenance issues which has lead to closure of various routes.
Table 2: Earnings of Pakistan Railways
Fiscal Year Earnings
(Rs. Million)
% Change
1998-99 9,310 –
1999-00 9,889 6.2
2000-01 11,938 20.7
2001-02 13,046 9.3
2002-03 14,812 13.5
2003-04 14,636 -1.2
2004-05 18,027 23.2
2005-06 18,184 0.9
2006-07 19,194 5.5
2007-08 19,973 4.1
2008-09 23,160 16.0
2009-10
(July- March)
16,875 -3.3
Earnings are still really low and are hardly
enough to cover the cost of pays and
pensions which equal rupees 14 billion and
7 billion per annum, respectively. In 2008-
09, earnings grew by 16 percent compared
to the year before but since then they have
worsened to pre-2004 levels (Table 2).
Despite improved performance during the
last decade, losses still remain high. In
2006-07, total loss was Rs 10 billion and in
2007-08, the loss was over Rs 12 billion.
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the net amount of revenue increased due to increased inflation which was caused by stupid currency printing policy of this govt…
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Have you seen the 12 kanal houses these officers get in hearts of cities like Lahore and Rawalpindi? Each of them is definitely worth more than US $1 million. If Railways was performing great, at least at the levels of what British left us with, I have no objection on giving employees all the benefits and big houses they deserve. Staff is NOT focusing on work but rather looting whatever is left of the corporation. The British officers were given good accommodation because they left their homes in Britain to come here and work and you are admitting they worked well. How about the performance of the current brown saabs?
The job of railway 'worker' is definitely stressful and they deserve good accommodation. The officers, however, who are responsible for looting this corporation dry are being rewarded rather than penalized!
But taking away these facilities will not turn around the Railway. You have to think rationally rather than hathorha mar remedy. Yes by all means if you want to sink this ship immediately, carry on your idea at cost of millions and millions of poor people of Pakistan. Even IK can not do anything to bring the sunked ship from the bottom of ocean, if he becomes PM of Pakistan:)
As regard corruption 100% pakis are corrupt. Name any department including military you think they play fair game. It doesn't mean you shut down all the institutions and bring the country to a dead hault.
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They should sell the whole network of railways, stations, carriages to a foreign private company for £1. Allow them to invest in this and soon you'll see a profitable business.
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After 70’s which government controlled inflation and did not print currency? oh I am sorry you were born around 2010, still maturing:)
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They should sell the whole network of railways, stations, carriages to a foreign private company for £1. Allow them to invest in this and soon you'll see a profitable business.
In present circumtances which country do you think will involve in such complex sinking organization? It is only government of Pakistan which can revive this dead organization. Seek help from India. I am not in favor of selling to some chor paki business men either this national organization in peanuts who only take remaininng blood out from the dead body.
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Is there anything left in Pakistan that isnt a sinking ship?
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No Mr. Rocket Scientist my point was that your PPP govt has done NOTHING to save PR from this. Fact that you are highlighting that railways earned highest revenue in 2008/2009 is actually further embarrassing for PPP govt as it could not even stop the slide with highest revenue earned.
I am not asking about the reasons of PR slide I am talking about what your govt is doing from last 4 years to stop this down-hill slide of PR? 4 years is a considerable period to at least stop down-slide if not making it better. Oh yeah Zardari has bigger challenges than PR right? same lame excuse…
PS: Seems like its too much for your to hold a discussion without calling names but then we cant blame you. What else should we expect from Jiyalia eh?
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No Mr. Rocket Scientist my point was that your PPP govt has done NOTHING to save PR from this. Fact that you are highlighting that railways earned highest revenue in 2008/2009 is actually further embarrassing for PPP govt as it could not even stop the slide with highest revenue earned.
I am not asking about the reasons of PR slide I am talking about what your govt is doing from last 4 years to stop this down-hill slide of PR? 4 years is a considerable period to at least stop down-slide if not making it better. Oh yeah Zardari has bigger challenges than PR right? same lame excuse.....
PS: Seems like its too much for your to hold a discussion without calling names but then we cant blame you. What else should we expect from Jiyalia eh?
Let me one more time clerify you. I am not defending chors and dakoos here. My post pointed out technical and organizational screwed up which brought railway in to this condition. Corruption in Railway was there even before partition, but it still ran in profit till seventies. For once if it is assumed that there is zero corruption in Railway, even then Railway is going to sink because of the major problems I pointed out. If your market share is snatched, if investment in maintenance and repair is stopped, if capital budget is diverted for futhre expansion to somewhere else, don't expect miracles.
As regard corruption in Railways, I know that Railway is full of chors and dakoos, is poor organization ko sub ne loota hay, but then this is the problem of whole Pakistan.
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All mega departments cant be run without proper governance in place which this government lacks! even PML-Q corrupts in past left jobs in hand of professionals and was better managed, they ended up with 2 minister for each ministry one for political show piece minister and one minister who is capable of actully running the show. but it worked well compared the mess we have now.
these are all symptoms, the problem is common and only 1 - the management of these departments are given to people whose qualification is only to be in good terms with Zardari and co!
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All mega departments cant be run without proper governance in place which this government lacks! even PML-Q corrupts in past left jobs in hand of professionals and was better managed, they ended up with 2 minister for each ministry one for political show piece minister and one minister who is capable of actully running the show. but it worked well compared the mess we have now.
these are all symptoms, the problem is common and only 1 - the management of these departments are given to people whose qualification is only to be in good terms with Zardari and co!
I understand what you are saying. The adhoc set up would never work for technical organization like Railway. A good plan and implementation can run Railway in profit without any problem even it is run by a donkey. What PR is suffering is because of this adhoc and stupid policies of the past governments. The present government is incapable of comprehending these problems, it has neither touched the existance system nor made any changes to overcome these difficulties. The status quo can not work for department already set for collapse. The stupid PM and President are more busy in dealing with the mess left by bhagorha musharraf, can not face the army, can not take bold decisions in view constant interferring by military and judiciary. Perhaps these incompetent wait for the initiative from CAOS or CJ. On top of it has become very difficult for them to face political turmoil. Zardari government is just buying time for next elections. So problem of sinking of ship will continue, unless some one in the Railway Department has balls (which I doubt very much) to come out boldly and suggest remedial actions with promise of revival of the system.
The railway land worth billions ment for expension has continued to be subject of land mafias and military who are bent on destroying the railway by making golf fields, farm houses and colonies. It is a shame Pakis become looters to loot and rape their own mother land, which is just like raping their mother.
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…brain farting…
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No PPP reinforcements for the lone warrior here?
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What a blame on Zia Ul Haq 
Another nice work by PPP supporters 
Just listen Great Blour (Railway Minister) he took railway ministry by himself to take the last loaf 
They don’t have any reply that what they did in last 3 years 
except 
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^-^ Inna lilah-e-wa inna ilahy rajeyoon :(^-^
Re: Pakistan Railways, A Sinking Ship
Have you seen the 12 kanal houses these officers get in hearts of cities like Lahore and Rawalpindi? Each of them is definitely worth more than US $1 million. If Railways was performing great, at least at the levels of what British left us with, I have no objection on giving employees all the benefits and big houses they deserve. Staff is NOT focusing on work but rather looting whatever is left of the corporation. The British officers were given good accommodation because they left their homes in Britain to come here and work and you are admitting they worked well. How about the performance of the current brown saabs?
The job of railway 'worker' is definitely stressful and they deserve good accommodation. The officers, however, who are responsible for looting this corporation dry are being rewarded rather than penalized!
But taking away these facilities will not turn around the Railway. You have to think rationally rather than hathorha mar remedy. Yes by all means if you want to sink this ship immediately, carry on your idea at cost of millions and millions of poor people of Pakistan. Even IK can not do anything to bring the sunked ship from the bottom of ocean, if he becomes PM of Pakistan:)
As regard corruption 100% pakis are corrupt. Name any department including military you think they play fair game. It doesn't mean you shut down all the institutions and bring the country to a dead hault.
I'm not talking about corruption. Just saying Railways has enough resources of its own to invest in the business it is supposed to be in. They can sell the non-operational assets and invest in where they can generate future cash flows. This would be good for both the employees and public in general.
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leekan ittna sochnay kay liye dimagh chahiye and current Govt. have enough brainless people like genius Transporter Bloor
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Saudia and Afghanistan Don’t Have Railway Then Why Pakistan have it ?: Minister Railway
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Agar woh zinda hain tou hum bhi iss kay baghair zinda rah saktay hain