Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
Just to make you clear that Punjab dominant army only fought bravely when it was Lahore on the line…1965. 1971 Army was captured by India shamefully. It was Bhutto who brought those ‘brave men’ home! Those who one way or other were brutal to their felllow countrymen/women/children…(the punjab regiment)
Even Punjabis admit it. Ask a senior person.
Come-on…lets be realistic my Pakistani brother. I still respect you for being Pakistani.
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hahahaha.. omg.. wat a bunch of loooser.. for sum reasons i get the idea that you guys dont like being competitive.. bt arrogant ingnorers.. i mean whose stoppin other provinces to excell??.. NO one.. just coz punjab is doin really well.. doenst mean u have to be jealous..
btw.. its easier to get a high job if ur educated in other provinces then in punjab.. e.g. cricket.. one of my frnds(non punjabi) tried gettin into pak team from punjab.. he cudnt.. so he moved to bhawalpur.. and he got in.. so just shows that punjabis do not dominate.. but really shows how stupid u guys are.. just keep blamin each others..
and i duno.. bt ive not felt once in lahore or any other side of punjab any hatred ppl from other provinces.. for sum reason it is just other provinces havin probs wid punjab :S..
we got sum pps hea from karachi.. and well.. they only meet karachites.. and same with pakhtoons also.. duno is it jus tme.. or there is haterd among our socitie.. pretty sad..
great.. keep fighting..
Allah hafiz
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
I think what Pakistan needs is greater autonomy to the provinces, more democracy, and a fairer distribution of natural resources and revenues.
However, so far as "Punjabi domination" goes, there's bound to be a larger number of Punjabis in every sector, simply because Punjabis make up 55% of the population.
I think Pakistan's provinces should be reorganised once and for all, to get rid of ethnic squabbling: Punjab should be split up into three provinces: (i) Potohar, (ii) Punjab, and (iii) Siraikistan.
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
My bro..give concrete answers. There can not be a jealosy among brothers. There is no fighting as you mentioned.
Its just the question of fairness which Punjabi do not want to (not all) give. Please let us know how 55% of population still is unable to PRODUCE revenue more that karachi alone?
Punjab takes a big portion of revenue for betterment of its population and its cities forcefully. I think it should be made compulsory to spend more money on development of smaller provinces and cut back some from the army mainly from its useless expenses…big cars, unnecessary allownces, big meals, drivers-chefs-gardeners of even captains etc.
Why can’t we be realistic that we cannot expect any better from Punjab anymore since it has take largest support from the country and has not produced
even enough to fulfill its needs.
Its a hoax to say Pakistan is an agricultural country.
Cricket is not an industry my friend so keep boasting on it. Its a losing trade as we all know it. Curruption is even evident in cricket a small trade.
You mentioned exactly what is being said…why a person has to move to bahawalpur to get into team??? its a shame on the system.
You mean to say only punjab has young strong talented boys…think again. Many non-punjabis are sent out before even selection. If they are selected they get constant psychologic pressure from administration and even dumb commentators.
Remember hockey player Hanif Khan? let me remind you what was being said in commentry…“Aur Hanif Khan Ne Aek Aur Goal Miss Kar Diya”! While the ball was even several yards away from him. Its a little thing but makes big difference for the people of same country.
Try answering the concerns and find solution… and be humble.
Long live Pakistani and Pakistan.
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Honey I am a Punjabi but I wwork just as hard as the others.. have firneds from all over the country and we have never discussed such things as punjabi and Sindhi or woteva.... as far as I know it is an Indian phenomenon as that country is still very much divided into all these things.. south-indians are very different from north or west indians and they can never be integrated into one.. they all maintain their separate identities and nmebver seem to agree on anything.. All of this Punjabistan and similar Bull **** is called "Negative propaganda" and is usually spread by the enemies to posion the minds of others. It has been there for a long time but hasn't worked.. and It won't in the future as well.
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Call me brother and then stab in the back. Wah wah. Must be an MQMish game.
This often touted “phact” is falsely based on a UN report. Most of these alleged revenues will simply disappear as soon as Gawadar becomes operational. Read the UN report before attacking Punjabis.
The revenues you talk about are the ones collected on import / export and corporate head quarters. Even if a corporation is spread all over the country it still declares taxes out of its Karachi HQs.
Import/export taxes such as customs and other duties obviously comes from the port, even when the products are manufactured / consumed some where else in the country.
If you keep on insisting on Kara’n’chi revenues, then other provinces will start levying their own taxes by treating Karachi as simply a warehouse. I’ll see then how many taxes you will collect.
Apart from import / export and corporate taxes, Karachi generates minimal of taxes and is utterly dependent on upcountry to bail it out on repeated basis. Case in Point the local utility company that now for several decades cannot maintain its revenue stream due to theft and corruption.
So don’t call anyone brother if you have knife in your armpit (baghal main churee, moohn main raam raam, a typical hindustani style stabbing)
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Did you forget WAPDA the big elephant? Who bailed it in troube days? Wapda took electricity from KESC my dear. But employees did not stop getting raise and big cars, travel allounces etc.
Did you forget PIA? Who made it an international level corporation and later it was highjacked by Punjab. Its called Punjab International Airlines by many.
What about the army..eating millions and getting fatter by the day?
how about steal mill? Even today it is making profit. Despite an old mill given by Russia, karachiites knew how to make it work for the betterment of whole country.
Cement factories like daddabhoy etc.
In the name of population dominance..much exploitation of minoroties are done for decades.
Karachi industrial area produces a lot....my 'naraaz bro'. Now stop pouting.
Achey bachey Ghussa Nahin Karte.
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
Sindh refuses to surrender Superhighway
ISLAMABAD, Sept 9: Sindh government has formally informed the Centre that handing over of the Karachi-Hyderabad Superhighway to the Fauji Foundation for converting it into a six-lane motorway is not possible as it would deprive the province of a regular source of income, Dawn learnt from the federal government sources.
The provincial government has written to the effect in response to the federal government's letter that had asked it to hand over the administrative control of the superhighway to the FF before Sept 21, for the purpose of collecting the toll tax. The government had signed an agreement with the FF on June 21, for conversion of the four-lane superhighway into the motorway at an estimated cost of Rs8 billion.
Opposed to the idea, the province has taken the plea that the toll collection from the projected traffic would not be enough to pay for the cost of the motorway and secondly, the province which now collects the toll, would be deprived of a good source of revenue generation.
The Sindh government has argued that the funds which the federal government is going to spend on the proposed conversion should be used for the improvement of dilapidated roads in the province. Under the agreement, the FF would start collecting toll tax by increasing the rate by 15 per cent within one month of taking control of the road.
The Sindh government was unhappy with the attitude of the federal government and it had objected that the contract had been signed without consulting the provincial government.
The province has also a dispute on the ownership of the road as it has rejected the argument that the road belongs to the federal government. It has pointed out that the loan which was obtained for the construction of road in 1971, was passed on as liability of Sindh when One Unit was abolished.
DAWN-Sept 1999
Example of feds. trying to rip the Provincial Govt.
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Sindh got only Rs 36bn
By GN Mughul
HYDERABAD: Out of a total revenue of Rs 400 billion estimated to have been collected by the CBR during the financial year 2001-2002 from all over the country, the estimated collections from the Punjab were Rs 108 billion, ie 27 per cent.
The estimated share that Punjab received from the national divisible pool is Rs 98 billion, ie 24.5 per cent. As against this, the estimated share of Sindh in total collections made from all over the country during the financial year, was calculated to be Rs 256 billion, ie 64 per cent, while in return the estimated amount it received as its share from the NDP is only Rs 36 billion, ie 9 per cent.
Similarly, during the financial year 1999-2000, the Punjab's total actual collection in the divisible pool was Rs 77,912 million while its share from the pool was Rs 70,069.1 million. As against this, during the same financial year, Sindh's actual total collection in the divisible pool was Rs 189,461 million while the share it received from the pool in return was only Rs 30,056.1 million.
Those collections comprised income tax, sales tax, federal taxes and customs duties, said sources in the Sindh government while quoting the statistics compiled by the relevant agencies of the government of Pakistan.
Based on these facts and figures, the financial managers are of the strong contention that the "disbalance" is only because of the formula for the distribution of national divisible pool among the provinces, based exclusively on the population of the provinces. They regretted that the formula had been in vogue since the 1970s despite repeated representations and protests lodged by successive governments of Sindh. According to the financial managers, with the continuous implementation of the formula the resources continue to be siphoned off from Sindh to the Centre and Punjab, rendering Sindh the poorest province of the country, despite having very rich natural resources.
These circles said some increase in the receipts of Sindh from the Centre was due to the amount it was receiving in lieu of the oil and gas drilled out in Sindh. They said that Sindh had 62 per cent share in the total oil drilled out in the country. Besides, they said, 48 per cent of total gas quantum of the country was drilled out in Sindh.
These quarters claimed that during the next five to six years the quantum of oil and gas to be found in Sindh would increase to about 80 per cent of total oil and gas estimated to be found in Pakistan.
However, the financial managers of Sindh have expressed complete dissatisfaction over the formula on which presently royalty etc is being paid to the province for the oil and gas and termed it peanuts.
The financial managers of Sindh are quietly carrying out homework to study the formulae of different oil producing countries under which the areas where oil or gas is found are paid royalty or other benefits.
According to these circles, three members of a group formed by the National
Finance Commission to devise a formula for the distribution of national divisible pool among the provinces, recommended taking into consideration some other factors too in addition to the population, while devising the formula.
The three members represented Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan. But since the Punjab did not endorse the recommendation, it was rejected.
The News Nov. 1, 2002
^There goes the theory of making money from 'karachi port tax' only.
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
Land owners do not pay land/agriculture taxes in Pakistan.......resulting in mostly Punjab benefiting by not making revenue for others.
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
Admit guys in many ways unfortunately its Punjabistan...........not Pakistan as it should be.
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When told the fact you got mad. Asking for right is not equvalent toback stabbing.
You just do not want to admit the aggressive acts by beaurocrats/politicians etc.
Average Punjabi/Pakistani is still my bro. I tell it to my Punjabi friends/and family members they do agree with facts laid on table.
I just rembered a song…
Jaan Keh kar Jo Bulaya To Boura Maan Gaye
Aaina Unko Dikhaya To Boura Maan Gaye…
Re: Pakistan or Punjabistan?
Mera bhai, I take personal offense to that… I have known people who have fouht in these war being from Chakwal and all… And let me tell you that these people brave people, good people… If you dont know who fought these wars, then dont speak.
Our Army has fought in places you would never imagine.. Who else could fight in a place like Siachin, Kargil… You may be all respectful, but hell, if you dont know what your talki ng about, then why talk?