Pakistan on course to become an extremist Islamist state

A Sad and very dangerous analysis of Pakistan.

Basically in 5-10 years, all of Pakistan’s countryside will be overrun by Taliban and the government will have no control over it. Only in the cities will there be government control.

Pakistanis need to give up their obsession on India and use the army to concentrate their fight against the Taliban which is a cancer that will destroy Pakistan.

Pakistan on course to become Islamist state, U.S. experts say

Pakistan on course to become Islamist state, U.S. experts say
McClatchy Newspapers

By Jonathan S. Landay, McClatchy Newspapers Jonathan S. Landay, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Thu Apr 16, 7:15 pm ET

WASHINGTON — A growing number of U.S. intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials have concluded that there’s little hope of preventing nuclear-armed Pakistan from disintegrating into fiefdoms controlled by Islamist warlords and terrorists, posing the a greater threat to the U.S. than Afghanistan’s terrorist haven did before 9/11.

“It’s a disaster in the making on the scale of the Iranian revolution,” said a U.S. intelligence official with long experience in Pakistan who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak publicly.

Pakistan’s fragmentation into warlord-run fiefdoms that host al Qaida and other terrorist groups would have grave implications for the security of its nuclear arsenal; for the U.S.-led effort to pacify Afghanistan ; and for the security of India , the nearby oil-rich Persian Gulf and Central Asia , the U.S. and its allies.

" Pakistan has 173 million people and 100 nuclear weapons, an army which is bigger than the American army, and the headquarters of al Qaida sitting in two-thirds of the country which the government does not control," said David Kilcullen , a retired Australian army officer, a former State Department adviser and a counterinsurgency consultant to the Obama administration.

" Pakistan isn’t Afghanistan , a backward, isolated, landlocked place that outsiders get interested in about once a century," agreed the U.S. intelligence official. “It’s a developed state . . . (with) a major Indian Ocean port and ties to the outside world, especially the (Persian) Gulf, that Afghanistan and the Taliban never had.”

“The implications of this are disastrous for the U.S.,” he added. “The supply lines (from Karachi to U.S. bases) in Kandahar and Kabul from the south and east will be cut, or at least they’ll be less secure, and probably sooner rather than later, and that will jeopardize the mission in Afghanistan , especially now that it’s getting bigger.”

The experts McClatchy interviewed said their views aren’t a worst case scenario but a realistic expectation based on the militants’ gains and the failure of Pakistan’s civilian and military leadership to respond.

“The place is beyond redemption,” said a Pentagon adviser who asked not to be further identified so he could speak freely. "I don’t see any plausible scenario under which the present government or its most likely successor will mobilize the economic, political and security resources to push back this rising tide of violence.

“I think Pakistan is moving toward a situation where the extremists control virtually all of the countryside and the government controls only the urban centers,” he continued. “If you look out 10 years, I think the government will be overrun by Islamic militants.”

That pessimistic view of Pakistan’s future has been bolstered by Islamabad’s surrender this week for the first time of areas outside the frontier tribal region to Pakistan’s Taliban movement and by a growing militant infiltration of Karachi , the nation’s financial center, and the industrial and political heartland province of Punjab, in part to evade U.S. drone strikes in the tribal belt.

Civilian deaths in the drone attacks, the eight-year-old U.S. intervention in Afghanistan and U.S. support for Pakistan’s former military dictatorship also have sown widespread ambivalence about the threat the insurgency poses and revulsion at fighting fellow Muslims.

“The government has to ratchet up the urgency and ratchet up the commitment of resources. This is a serious moment for Pakistan ,” said Sen. John Kerry , D- Mass. , the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, on April 14 in Islamabad . “The federal government has got to . . . define this problem as Pakistan’s .”

Many Pakistanis, however, dismiss such warnings as inflated. They think that the militants are open to dialogue and political accommodation to end the unrest, which many trace to the former military regime’s cooperation with the U.S. after 9/11.

Ahsan Iqbal , a top aide to opposition leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif , said the insurgency can be quelled if the government rebuilds the judicial system, improves law enforcement, compensates guerrillas driven to fight by relatives’ deaths in security force operations and implements democratic reforms.

“It will require time,” Iqbal told McClatchy reporters and editors this week. “We need a very strong resolve and internal unity.”

Many U.S. officials, though, regard the civilian government of Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari as unpopular, dysfunctional and mired in infighting. It’s been unable to agree on an effective counterinsurgency strategy or to address the ills that are feeding the unrest. These include ethnic and sectarian hatreds, ineffective police, broken courts, widespread corruption, endemic poverty and a deepening financial crisis, they said.

Pakistan’s army, meanwhile, is hobbled by a lack of direction from the country’s civilian leaders, disparaged for its repeated coups and shaken by repeated defeats by the militants. It remains fixated on India to ensure high budgets and cohesion among troops of divergent ethnic and sectarian allegiances, U.S. officials and experts said.

Many officers and politicians also oppose fighting the Islamist groups that Pakistan nurtured to fight proxy wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir , and because they think the U.S. is secretly conspiring with India to destabilize their country.

Alarm rose in Washington this week after the parliament and Zardari agreed to impose Islamic law in the Swat district, where extremists have repelled several army offensives; closed girls’ schools; and beheaded, hanged and lashed opponents and alleged criminals.

The government’s capitulation handed the militants their first refuge outside the remote tribal area bordering Afghanistan , and less than 100 miles north of Islamabad . Taliban fighters also advanced virtually unopposed from Swat into the Buner district, 60 miles north of Islamabad .

Buner is close to a key hydroelectric dam and to the highways that link Pakistan to China , and Islamabad to Peshawar , the capital of the North West Frontier Province , much of which is already under Taliban sway.

Many U.S. officials and other experts expect the militants to continue advancing.

The Taliban “have now become a self-sustaining force,” author Ahmed Rashid , an expert on the insurgency, told a conference in Washington on Wednesday. “They have an agenda for Pakistan , and that agenda is no less than to topple the government of Pakistan and ‘Talibanizing’ the entire country.”

Iqbal, the adviser to Sharif, disagreed. While militants will overrun small pockets, most Pakistanis embrace democracy and will resist living under the Taliban’s harsh interpretation of Islam, he said.

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Look look the sky is falling!!!

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The elite West Pakistanis said that in 71 too. It will be ironic that our own nurtured jihadis end up finishing us off.

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There is an irony to it all. It will be (warped version of) Islam that finishes Pakistan rather then sustains it.

We must accept that our govt, army and most people simply dont want to oppose the Taliban.

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lets talk about it in 6 months time

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Yes, let's wait till taliban are in islamabad. We can analyze the situation when a talib is sitting inside everyone's house.

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and do you think talibans will piss in their Shalwars, if you continue to post against them!!!

All these articles are based on assumptions.. so to me, important thing is, give people justice, give them sense of security from Police and waderas and other thugs.. failing to do so.. any one including taliban ideology will takeover Pakistan..

so stop whining and posing them a powerful group, and start acting...

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What can NRP's do to stand against the taliban?

Other then loppy our MP's to act.

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The sad part is that the assumptions are real and it is tough to ignore the threat unless you have your head burried in sand :(

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Heres hoping your the first to fall in the face of this "nonexistant" threat...

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People says talibans are brutal, they have their own ideology, they sentence people without proper trial, they are against development and education...

can anyone including tell me!!!

What reforms does the govt. had made so far, so that everyone get access to quality education... all what is available is bunch of schools with least education quality ( if they exist of ground)... keeping the track record of the current and past govts, in last 60 years all the policies Govt made, seems to have one target, lowering of education standard.. and they seems to have achieved great success in it...

So what differs these rulers from the talibans... Current/Past rulers used their govt. to slowly cut-off the education and talibans are doing it in one go... Waderas, Sardas, Chaudries, and even so called moderate and secular leaders of the country have did nothing to build the education standard but to de-grade it to its least level... from this prespective, how can any one differ the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED leaders from the BACKWARDS talibans, both have same approach.. how would changing of the elite class will effect the common-man's education...?

Justice System,

In Pakistan, their is no concept of Justice, the Chief Justice of Pakistan was on the roads, for almost two years... this is the system where court decision are bought, who ever pays high, get the benefit, Police is one of the most notorious thugs, they are paid by the Govt. to Harras common-man, they are promoted if they do their job right.. they are personal guards of the Oppresser, Govt. provide all kind of security to the thugs and murderers and in the end govt, issues NRO to forgive... what a justice...

Same Justice is done by Taliban, they do everything as per their beleif... how does taliban's justice system is going to effect the miserable life of common-man... who if looted prefer not to complain, as the govt. thugs will ask more money from him....

Social System

Take news paper of any given day, a 2, 4, 8 years are forced to marry an older one, women are thrown in front of dogs, women are burried alive, women are killed in the name of honor and the social system justify it, defend it.. a women is sentenced to rape... a women, always under threat.. and all this under the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED social system...

How taliban differs from this, women cannot ask justice then, women may not be provided with any under taliban, what difference does it make to a women, if Taliban takesover the pakistan....

A common-man is forced to commit suicide, as under the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED leadership, he cannot find ways to generate revenue to buy him and his family enough food ( I am not talking abotu luxury), people dies with dieases, which have cure, but they cannot afford to buy it...

and list is too long.. tell me, which way taliban will make a life of common-man more difficult??? yes the elitte class of moderate and enlighted leadership will suffer big time, they may be hanged, killed and raped... they may loss all their properties and assets..

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The only difference would be a country controlled by monkeys would become a country controlled by monkeys with guns.

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Wow! O man o man! what a fine way to inject the US Campaign in people mind. ehh? it seems as if you accept your US Masters as your Prophets Nauzobillah that what they will say would always be right. ehh?

People of Pakistan are not sleeping here for either US Invasion or talibanization. ok? this will not happen even in future its just a propaganda but the future of US indeed, would be to divide and split into pieces like Soviet Union.

:hoonh:

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^^ It is reported by FOX and 100% right

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I do not want to add comments…read the article which is self explanatory !!!

Brave new world

Brave new world

Sunday, April 19, 2009
By Masood Hasan

By 2112 all Pakistani males over the age of 15 were without right hands, these having been chopped off by well-intentioned holy men of the Taliban Brigade (TB) which was by then the undisputed power in Pakistan. Because piety was central to its code of thinking – though some wags questioned whether harebrained ideas could be even remotely labelled ‘thinking’ – the chopping was to cleanse society. The Brigade’s motto, ‘Flog Flog-Chop Chop’ was wildly popular though the men could no longer clap to show their support. One hand clapping was still a thing of the future in 2112.

There were other changes. All vehicles had been confiscated and taken off the roads. Instead, other than the top leaders of TB who travelled in convoys of 4x4 ‘Dallaas’ everyone else had to make do with camels or simply foot it. This was not too difficult because the visible part of the country only comprised of one handed male adults and children.

The last sighting of a woman had been in the autumn of 2111 but it was later discovered that this was not so. Some experts were of the opinion that perhaps the Yeti had made an unscheduled trip to Pakistan and was snapped by a fidgety cameraman. Women had been banned from all public places and were confined to the four walls of their homes. However if they had more than four walls, the TB had no problem with that at all as long as they remained put. ‘Out of sight, out of mind’ was the cornerstone of TB’s thinking on this subject.** With women no longer part of the equation, the sin graph took a nosedive and was replaced with other pleasures which cannot be listed here since this is a family newspaper.**

All educational institutions had been torched or demolished and in some cases where they were too large to be brought down, like the big universities and colleges, had been converted into wheat godowns. However since Pakistan could no longer grow wheat – one armed wheat planting still a science Pakistani men had not mastered, they were used to hold lectures on beard growing. This was necessary because no male could go out without wearing a luxuriant beard and nationwide beard contests were very popular. The last one had been won by a man who had a beard that stretched from Peshawar to Kandhar and back but he was not able to get to a newspaper office because he couldn’t see a thing. So the news remained confined to Pakistan.

In any event, even Ripley’s wouldn’t have believed it. Blades having been banned by the middle of 2009, the resultant savings considerably boosted the nation’s economy and was hailed by the TB as one of its most significant achievements. Such was the popularity of beard-displays that young males from the age of six months were adorned with false beards pasted on by adoring parents. Kids wore these till they were able to replace them with the real thing, which was no longer Coke’s slogan. The Coca Cola company plants had been torched because a Qazi in Buner ruled that the drink was alcoholic so it really didn’t matter to Coke one way or another.

In sartorial matters since the Taliban were pretty groovy aping the latest fashions in six yarder harem pajamas often called ‘shalwars’ there were regular fashion shows with young and old male models strutting on the stage to the beat of right-handed drums. No other instruments were allowed to be played and in fact had been gathered and burnt long ago. Regular bathing was frowned upon. Special frowners had been trained whose job it was to arrive at any place where an objectionable activity might be taking place and frown till all fled. The venue would then be torched and the party would move on.

Justice for all remained the cornerstone of the Taliban till someone discovered that the cornerstone had been stolen. Efforts to find it were all in vain. It had simply vanished. Justice was freely dispensed and special dispensing machines were installed at street corners. These were originally Nescafe dispensing units but nobody had drunk coffee since it had been banned because it contained alcohol.** So freely was justice administered that there was a nationwide shortage of hanging posts and rope. **These could no longer be made locally because there were no trees left. Gallows made from date palms broke easily and were seen to be detrimental to the national hanging average which showed a steady and promising upwards growth day after day.

Since justice was now largely one sided there was no longer any need for defence councils.** All such councils were gathered and drowned in the Tarbela Dam which was no longer functional because electricity was banned, oil lamps were the rage and because a leading cleric had said that the dam water contained alcohol. The happy brigade which had blown the Bamiyan Buddhas pleaded to blow up the sinful dam but were prevented from doing so. To vent their frustration, they blew up Karachi Harbour which was not such a loss since ships neither came nor went anymore. At the airports the scene was the same. PIA had been grounded – which was not a bad idea. Foreign airlines refused to land here. Those intending to go for pilgrimages to holy lands were asked to use camels.**

In terms of sports, things got a bit worse then they were at the start of the 21st century – sorry 15th century or was it 16th? Any way the Pakistan cricket team was unable to do very well because not only had they to contend with playing with one hand but the grounds were desert surface and that might have been good for camel polo but not conducive to cover drives. Eventually the Taliban banned all sports as being a waste of time. Only cock-fights were allowed which had a rousing effect on all and sundry. Dr Nasim Ashraf cooked up another scheme to popularize desert cricket but found that the only payments for his hard work would be provided in round earth stones for his personal use. This the doctor declined politely and slipped away in the still of the night to try his luck in Swaziland.

By 2115, the world had quite forgotten that there was once a country called Pakistan. No one had been there, no one had come from there and by all accounts, no one lived there any more. Of course, this was facilitated by the fact that all the women were eventually killed off. In the end, all that was left was a bleak and windswept desert but even this was not confirmed since no one had seen it and returned to share the news.

The writer is a Lahore-based columnist. Email: [email protected]

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on a positive note.

The Taliban will be defeated

The writer advises governments, donors and NGOs on public policy.

The young lust that infuriates the fascist Flintstones of Malakand is only the beginning of the love chronicles that will extinguish the little ember that they mistake for a raging fire. The little ember they mistake for populist wildfire is disenchantment with the failing state in this country. Unfortunately for these comedic miscarriages of reality there is only one raging fire in Pakistan. It is the fire in the cities. Sure there are randomly distributed fascist mullahs in the cities too, and many of them have taken the choreography of Sufi Mohammad to heart. But if it was so easy to convert the madrasas of this country into the nodes of a bloody fascist Flintstone revolution, it would have already happened.

The real love affair that the Taliban and their ilk should be scared of is the incandescent passion with which Pakistanis, religious and irreligious, love this big, bulking behemoth of a country. March 15 may be a long and distant memory in the newspapers, but its markings on the DNA of Pakistan are still fresh. The scars that it has left are still raw, and the traditional elite in this country has not forgotten the humiliation of that day. Both the feudal politicians and the wannabe-feudal military leaders in this country grossly mis-underestimated (a Bushism all too appropriate for this Pakistan) the size and heat of the movement to restore the judiciary. The Taliban, the TNSM and the Lal Masjid Brigades repeat the mistakes made by the traditional elite, for good reason. Their DNA is imprinted with the “Made By The Traditional Elite of Pakistan” label. And let’s not be blinded by opportunism, paralysed by our romance for family dynasties or constrained by our personal politics. The defence establishment in this country that has cultivated irrational public discourse under the cloak of religion in Pakistan has not been alone in the endeavour. Their feudal dance partners have been central in enabling and facilitating the rot. Controlling the mosques with their left hands, and the triggers of civilian and military guns with their right–the traditional elite have caved in to the demands for Nifaz-e-Adl because they prefer the faux wrath of a perverted distributive justice agenda to the real and irresistible agenda for reform and renewal in Pakistan’s cities.

The MQM understands this urban agenda for reform and renewal better than any political party in the country, which is why, despite the clear and obvious threats that a free judiciary poses to the operational fidelity of the MQM, the party made a conscious decision not to allow another May 12 to transpire this March. It is also why the MQM has spoken loudly and proudly against the ridiculous handing over of Pakistani sovereignty to the Flintstones of Malakand. Most of all, the MQM’s depth of relationship with urban sentiment is evident in the starkly different rhetoric that defines engagement with the issues between Pakistan’s Gucci and Prada liberals on the one hand, and the MQM’s leadership on the other. Convening an ulema conference was a stroke of urban Pakistan genius by the party. No self-respecting secular, progressive liberal (sic) would be caught dead at such a convention. Hence the difference between the MQM (a serious power-player in this country), and cheese and cracker liberals (a loud but politically sterile minority). As much as the lawyers’ movement was an a-religious movement, it was not amoral. And Pakistan’s people (even the ones in nice cars in the city working for banks and educated in the American Midwest) still draw moral inspiration primarily from Islam.

Since handing over the mosque to the wretched of South Asia at Sir Syed Ahmed Khan’s request, Muslims here have slowly but surely abdicated their faith to a newfangled clergy. Their primary instrument in sustaining their ownership of the mosque and madrasa, and all the symbols that go with them, is a supremely confident ignorance.

The language of religious discourse is dripping with Islamic symbolism. There is no reason for Pakistan to be shy of engaging the clergy with the same symbols. Indeed, it is the uncontested monopolisation of those symbols that has enabled the current rot. More often than not, the mullahs will lose the argument. Ignorant rants have a very short lease of life. Simply put, there are more Hakim Saids in Pakistan’s Muslim history than there are Sufi Mohammads. Fought properly, there is only one outcome in the battle for the soul of Pakistan–victory for the peace-loving masses, and defeat for the firestorm-fanning agents of irrationality.

Of course, the MQM represents a deeply compromised flag-bearer for the political fight against the Taliban. Despite a much-reformed party agenda, the ethnic affiliation of its top leadership is an issue that has consistently kept it from growing beyond urban Sindh. Moreover, rather ironically, its political choices since 1999 have put it directly at odds with urban Punjab. Ultimately, the alliance between urban Sindh and urban Punjab is a natural and inevitable one. This inevitability was all too visible to President Asif Ali Zardari, and it is what inspired the unnatural alliance between the PPP and the MQM–two parties that were at opposite ends of the violence and mayhem of May 12. Despite the federalist benefits of the PPP-MQM alliance, and the dangers of a rural Sindh that has no allies in either Punjab or in Karachi, this political expedience has a limited shelf life.

Of course, the challenge in Punjab is the PML-N’s ability to continue to be a vessel for the articulation of urban Pakistan’s political ethos. Taking on the mullah without abdicating its centrist Muslim identity is a critical challenge for the PML-N. Traditionally, it has been assumed that the natural role of taking on the mullah belongs to the PPP. Today’s PPP, lacking the brilliance of a Bhutto as its field marshal, is hurting. It is unable to seamlessly integrate the feudal tendencies of its electoral strength with the urbane (not urban) sensibilities of its somewhat exceptional cadre of highly qualified advisors. The growing wisdom and alacrity of the prime minister notwithstanding, the PPP will take at least a generation to grow into a viable force in Pakistan’s new urban frontier. Until then, to stay alive, compromise with the most unpalatable negotiating-table partners is all the party can do. This is doubly true for the ANP, which has been unfairly burdened with the blame for the deal. In fact, the ANP has done what every party other than the MQM will do in the same situation. Without a military that is willing to take the battlefield heat, political parties have no choice but to find compromise solutions to intractable problems.

None of the Realpolitik of the day, however, alters the bottom-line truth about Pakistan in 2009. There is a big set of unresolved issues around which violent extremists are able to construct a rationale for their murderous campaign for power. The resonance and appeal of these issues is undeniable. The bloodshed at Lal Masjid in 2007, the covert sexual revolution that has taken place on the back of a massive telecom boom, and the collateral damage of drone attacks, all have serious play in mainstream Pakistan.

But these issues are not the sole informants of Pakistaniat–to use Adil Najam’s phraseology. They are among a larger galaxy of issues. Proof of this is in the political performance of the rightwing, even as recently as the Feb 18, 2008, elections. Despite the bread-and-butter nature of these issues in urban and rural Pakistan, the religious right failed to win back the gifts handed to it by the deeply flawed elections of 2002. The key question is not whether the religious right in Pakistan can mobilise meaningful numbers to actualise its vision for a strait-jacketed and irrational Pakistan. They cannot. Even though these issues are shared across a broad spectrum, the religious right is tone-deaf, and politically irrelevant. And if the JUI and JI and their cohorts can’t win the street, the Taliban don’t have a chance.

The key question, therefore, is not about the populism of the Taliban, the TNSM, or any violent extremists in Pakistan. It is whether Pakistani Muslims will remain hostage to their sense of religious inferiority to the mullah. In fear of violating the precepts of a faith to which most Pakistanis are still deeply committed, will the people give mullahs like Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid carte blanche to destroy this country? The MQM’s ulema conference may cause all kinds of squirming, but it answers the question unequivocally. No, they will not.

The love affair of the Pakistani people with their country is a firewall that will hold. Violent extremists can flog the odd alleged straying couple, but they cannot flog 172 million people. They cannot win this war, and that is why they’re so angry all the time.

Mosharraf Zaidi

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Pakistan is becoming but US has become an extremist non muslim state sir!

:snooty:

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One of the most idiotic writing of this decade, the writer has absolutely no clue about the situation on ground,

There is group of Wanna-be-Americans amoung the journalists, one may find them writing all this BS, just to be acknowledge amoung the western powers, or to be called on tele… once their, they will brag all negatives they can about a particular situation and draw assumption which may be beyound imagination… to this one shoudl say.. what a pathethic way to make money… its like selling you honor to make living…

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M2K u need to be more worried about US than Pakistan!!!

I am being the financial world of Arabian Gulf Countries, with this economic crisis, i would say, almost 60% of US companies are either looking towards the money in return of their shares, under the terms dictated by the new investors or offering themselves to be sold the companies here, this trend is in almost all the sectors, imagine in 4 years time, 45% of the realestate of US, belongs to some Saudi, Kuwait or Qatari groups...

You must prepare yourself to learn the norms of these Arabs, as in Pakistan they do things indirectly and see what mess they made and in US, when they will be in total control.. what big mess they will do...

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Perhaps you have spent too much time in gulf …

In 2007 … GDP of Saudi Arabia was 381,938 billion dollars (this is the total earnings of the WHOLE country) Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Same year WALMART generated 351,139 billion dollars (this is the total earning of ONE company in US)
FORTUNE 500 2007: Full List 1-100

So if Saudi Shiekhs take all the earnings of their WHOLE country for the year 2007 … they will be able to buy one company in US and they will be left with some “change” …