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^^ And who told you Saudi or Kuwaiti Sheikh would like to show/share their earnings with anyone
In 2008, last quarter a Saudi Prince known to nobody sold oil with a contract to supply for 2 years, the quantity of the oil was 2 million barrel per month, now this money never went in the country's income. Saudi & Kuwait are bit conservatives, Qatari are more open.. do the math and see how many sheikhs are their....
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^^ And who told you Saudi or Kuwaiti Sheikh would like to show/share their earnings with anyone
In 2008, last quarter a Saudi Prince known to nobody sold oil with a contract to supply for 2 years, the quantity of the oil was 2 million barrel per month, now this money never went in the country's income. Saudi & Kuwait are bit conservatives, Qatari are more open.. do the math and see how many sheikhs are their....
Let's do the math .... this Saudi prince will make (at a $ 50 per barrel) about 100 million per month ..... and in two years that would add up to 2.4 billion dollars .... in all. Let's us for a minute say he keeps all the money nothing spent on production costs an other costs ....... he earns $ 1.2 Billion per year !!!!
There is a foundation set up by Bil & Melinda Gates .... that foundation gives away $ 1.5 Billion for charity every year !!!!!
Now you do the maths .......
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^^ Let me put some senses in you
This Saudi prince is known to no one, and because he of his distance to the crown, he can only sell these SMALL QUANTITIES... let me tell you one more thing.. there are hundreds like him in Saudi alone.. and there are bigger crocodile.. and yes these oil sellers do not need ARAMCO registration or others OPEC stuff... and this might be his side business...
and now, the share value of those western portfolios is less than dollar... these charity houses and other may had big dollars, but the question is do they have it now... I don't think so you have understood the market yet.. or may be you are still in panic.. what ever the case is, i don't blame you....
BILL & MEND. should try to buy people some jobs, as they might end up laying off if the trend continued...
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^^ Let me put some senses in you
This Saudi prince is known to no one, and because he of his distance to the crown, he can only sell these SMALL QUANTITIES... let me tell you one more thing.. there are hundreds like him in Saudi alone.. and there are bigger crocodile.. and yes these oil sellers do not need ARAMCO registration or others OPEC stuff... and this might be his side business...
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Total Saudi output is between 8-10 million barrels per day .... you do the maths ... even if their are "hidden" princes that is what Saudi oil production is ..... multiply with oil price and you get an idea on the TOTAL earnings .......
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Dude, I see some smoke coming out.. is it your behind or what?
Saudis don’t have to buy all of Wal-Mart per se, Wal-Mart’s market capitalization is $192billion. Even if Saudis buy 10% of shares they will become biggest shareholder. There are tons of companies which can be bought for much less.
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Total Saudi output is between 8-10 million barrels per day .... you do the maths ... even if their are "hidden" princes that is what Saudi oil production is ..... multiply with oil price and you get an idea on the TOTAL earnings .......
so much 4 ur understandings for reading posts....
did u get the part which said ARAMCO & OPEC restrictions???
like i said i can understand if u did not get it
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Dude, I see some smoke coming out.. is it your behind or what?
Saudis don't have to buy all of Wal-Mart per se, Wal-Mart's market capitalization is $192billion. Even if Saudis buy 10% of shares they will become biggest shareholder. There are tons of companies which can be bought for much less.
If you see smoke ... you gotta stop what you are smoking .... simple
The key word here is context .... anyway let me run you through it ... our friend (hanibal) here made a comment that Saudi, kuwaiti groups will end up owning 45% of US real estate !!! now you seem to be sensible person .... doesn't that sound a bit far fetched ......... so my point was ... let them first buy out walmart .... one US company ...... then they can dream of buying half the US real estate market.......
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I hope you don’t work at fire station 
The comment didn’t really need much context, though I disagree with him, there is more likelyhood of China and other countries eating much of US pies more than Arab states.
Re: Pakistan on course to become an extremist Islamist state
People says talibans are brutal, they have their own ideology, they sentence people without proper trial, they are against development and education...
can anyone including tell me!!!
What reforms does the govt. had made so far, so that everyone get access to quality education... all what is available is bunch of schools with least education quality ( if they exist of ground)... keeping the track record of the current and past govts, in last 60 years all the policies Govt made, seems to have one target, lowering of education standard.. and they seems to have achieved great success in it...
So what differs these rulers from the talibans... Current/Past rulers used their govt. to slowly cut-off the education and talibans are doing it in one go... Waderas, Sardas, Chaudries, and even so called moderate and secular leaders of the country have did nothing to build the education standard but to de-grade it to its least level... from this prespective, how can any one differ the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED leaders from the BACKWARDS talibans, both have same approach.. how would changing of the elite class will effect the common-man's education...?
Justice System,
In Pakistan, their is no concept of Justice, the Chief Justice of Pakistan was on the roads, for almost two years... this is the system where court decision are bought, who ever pays high, get the benefit, Police is one of the most notorious thugs, they are paid by the Govt. to Harras common-man, they are promoted if they do their job right.. they are personal guards of the Oppresser, Govt. provide all kind of security to the thugs and murderers and in the end govt, issues NRO to forgive... what a justice...
Same Justice is done by Taliban, they do everything as per their beleif... how does taliban's justice system is going to effect the miserable life of common-man... who if looted prefer not to complain, as the govt. thugs will ask more money from him....
Social System
Take news paper of any given day, a 2, 4, 8 years are forced to marry an older one, women are thrown in front of dogs, women are burried alive, women are killed in the name of honor and the social system justify it, defend it.. a women is sentenced to rape... a women, always under threat.. and all this under the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED social system...
How taliban differs from this, women cannot ask justice then, women may not be provided with any under taliban, what difference does it make to a women, if Taliban takesover the pakistan....
A common-man is forced to commit suicide, as under the MODERATE and ENLIGHTED leadership, he cannot find ways to generate revenue to buy him and his family enough food ( I am not talking abotu luxury), people dies with dieases, which have cure, but they cannot afford to buy it...
and list is too long.. tell me, which way taliban will make a life of common-man more difficult??? yes the elitte class of moderate and enlighted leadership will suffer big time, they may be hanged, killed and raped... they may loss all their properties and assets..
ditto!
If the life of an average Pakistani who lives in Pakistan (not Pakistanis sitting abroad) is getting worse day by day due to Mr. 100 % Zardari and the gang, where even basic essentials are getting out of reach of the common man,where the police and katchehri hardly function and where might is right... - might of the corrupt and the powerful... what do you guys expect.
Why would average Pakistanis be worried... They already are in a mess. For them , secular panchayats can together rape a girl, for them they are already in bonded labor in interior SInd, for them they already pay bhatta to MQM in Karachi, for them there is no HOPE!! So Taliban may be giving them some hope even with their harsh and unwanted interpretation of Islam.
So who is worried, people like us who are away from Pakistan and the secular elite in Pakistan whose properties, wealth and status quo is at risk. Yes the West is worried because it has been ruling Pakistan for 60 years through the sell-outs and secular elite it imposed on us.
Atleast be real for once.. Taliban cannot just come out and start taking areas without people's support, especially in pakhtun culture where everyone carries a gun.
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its not just people who say that, facts say that..
right, and since the current system is broken, lets just replace it with anything. and taleban really showed their great concern for education and all their efforts when primary, secondary, and univeristy education was not only free when they ran afghanistan, but they top 500 of global top 500 unis were all in afghanistan.
hmmm i think of aga kgan, lums, iba, fast and see some good institutions. I see number of universities in pak in 1989 and 2009 and see they have increased, so it does not appear to be as doom and gloom as u paint it, its bad but defintely ivy league compared to the great educational infrastructure in kandahar under taleban, pre 2002.
really, where else are girls not allowed to go to school by the govt?
well he is back now, so all should be good now right? :halo:
so replace those thugs with worse thugs..nice..
example of afghanistan is in front of you.
Social System
because in this case the oppression of women is not a state policy, under taleban it is…
so increase that misery of poverty to more people?
hey as long as taleban dont think the treatment is haram right, a la polio vaccinations…
which way, if u dont know, then move to FATA and find out..
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^^ good rebuttal
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Sitting outside, smoking expensive cigars, having candle light dinners.. yes one will come back with same responses… but being on the ground see the sufferings, see how woman is being treated, see how a poor man makes his both ends meet, and how he is forced to commit suicide is something you may never understand… this is everyday life of common-man.. which have no hope to improve, yes the ellite class, they have monkeys with the gun that is Police of Pakistan, who protect them from common-man.. taliban is a threat to this very ellite class…
Universities, u mentioned above, how many in Pakistan can actually afford to join LUMS, IBAs etc any idea..
Afghanistan is a example, when taliban can into power, the elite class of Afghanistan suffered, the common man just got his master changed.. same will happen in Pakistan…
Systems does not and should not be dependent on one guy, CJ Iftaykhar is there, but can he change every thing… thats the last string of hope for a common man.. and then their will be massacre, people who are commiting suicide today, may hang the members of elite class or anyone who has better living standards… wait for the day, if the elite class want to have control of the situation they give some relief but, i guess thinking of relief to the common man is something what we call WISHFUL thinking…
Again in these circumstance, People of Pakistan are not much worried about taliban, they are more worried that how the hell they will eat next meal…
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Again in these circumstance, People of Pakistan are not much worried about Taliban, they are more worried that how the hell they will eat next meal...
If Taliban take over the country then they shouldn't be worry about next meal. They should worry about getting their heads chopped off. No head means & no need for meal.
BTW, every society has problems & elites in every society enjoy perks that common man does not, but that does not mean we should condone religious brutality, terrorism, suicide bombings, chaos & anarchy in society.
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If Taliban take over the country then they shouldn't be worry about next meal. They should worry about getting their heads chopped off. No head means & no need for meal.
BTW, every society has problems & elites in every society enjoy perks that common man does not, but that does not mean we should condone religious brutality, terrorism, suicide bombings, chaos & anarchy in society.
Just in case you have, People are doing that already, Parents killing their children and commiting suicide is not a very attrative way of life, it is ten time betters to be killed by some one then forced to kill your own children and then hang yourself...
So this the average life of common man... should he fight to taliban to keep this thing going on??? or should he sit back and watch ( enjoy) that how this elite class is having sleepless nights...
If taliban came and start slaughtering these elite class, who is BTW symbol of corruption and abuse of power... do you think it will bother the common man, what will stop him to join them... a common man of Pakistan is forced to join group of thugs any way, either he became a decoit, or join some gang and then get killed by the police.. so they will do it with Taliban
The whole point is, give me one single reason that why common man should feel threaten from Taliban...
All Taliban will do is to end the misery of common man by killing him... .or they will bring every one on same level.. thats the whole nation will FAST through out the year...
Although it is not possible that Taliban or their ideology will evey takeover Pakistan, but still not body has shown me that How taliban differs from , wadera, thugs of todays elite class?
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People with means (elite) would not suffer b/c of Taliban takeover. Those who have the means would just leave with their money (most of which is outside of Pakistan anyway). So, at the end its going to be common man who will face brutality of Taliban terror. I do not know how people cannot see that.
BTW, its nothing new. People face hardship everywhere. Here is one example in the US. Do you think b/c of thins like that Americans are hoping that Taliban should take over?
Father kills family and himself, despondent over financial losses - Los Angeles Times
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Americans have enjoyed life style and securities, on the other hand, Pakistan was/is still a paradise for the one who got money...
I am not advocating Taliban, to me they are just newer and refined version of Mukti-Bahni... that is why i am saying.. to curb them. govt. should give a hope to the common-man.. same like in 1970 when govt. failed to get the support from the common man of east Pakistan...
The Situation for the common Bengali is the same, infact, some says we were better than... but it is too late to regret.. same will happen here... the whole thing will be lost and the regret will not bring any good...
So what i am trying to convey is, get the support of Common-man... that is the key to win this war. and to get the support, they have to give them something...
The American story is just a start in America, it is daily chore in Pakistan.. so Pakistanies might enter into next phase. which is why i kill my family, why not kill others to survive
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Is it bad to have money or are you implying all those people who keep their money and invest in Pakistan do not contribute anything positive for the country. You are justifying Taliban actions just because some people still have money in Pakistan and are engaged in generating business through legitimate means…while these Taliban are justified to rob them…
Shame on you to advocate for Taliban who have deprieved people of their hard earned earnings and taking over innocent people’s houses factories and shops. These stoneage bearded monkeys are just simple looters and criminals and should not be glorified as you are doing for past several days…
Afghan Tajiks take control of Buner
Afghan Tajiks take control of Buner
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
By Rauf Klasra
ISLAMABAD:** The frightened people of Buner, which has now fallen into the hands of the Taliban, have given horrible accounts of their ordeal, saying they were driven out of their homes at gunpoint by Afghan Tajiks.
ìLet the whole Pakistan know that we have been invaded by the Afghan Tajiks who have come from the other side of the border. They are not the local Taliban the media has wrongly reported,î said an elderly man who, along with his wife and son, fled to Islamabad after his house was occupied and his marble factory was taken over.**
These Afghan Tajiks are said to be using interpreters to communicate with the local Pakhtoons as they do not understand Pashtu. The families, who have escaped from Buner and its adjoining areas to save their lives, told The News that the Tajiks were looting and plundering their assets and properties. “They are occupying our businesses and destroying our homes,” the man said.
“For God sake, why don’t you people listen to our cries as we have been invaded by the Afghan Tajiks, not Pakistanis.** Our families and honour are in danger,” said another man who too has fled to Islamabad along with his family. He wept in front of this correspondent while narrating his sad story of how he was driven out of his home at gunpoint.**
He fled to Islamabad along with four other families after his factory and four petrol pumps of his friends were captured by the Afghan Taliban, where they have set up their camps. “I can swear on Holy Quran that those who have captured our village are Afghan nationals. You people sitting in Islamabad cannot imagine what sort of hell they have unleashed on us after advancing from Swat to our areas,” he said, sobbing. The details of these families are being kept secret for security reasons, as they have left their relatives back in Buner.
The man said as the people of Buner heard about the arrival of the Taliban from Swat, they formed a Lashkar to fight them. But, he lamented, the local police and law enforcement agencies facilitated them to capture the area.
“I am a local Pathan and I know who is a local and who is a foreigner. Our lands have been occupied by the Afghan Tajiks and no one is helping us to fight them. Rather, the Pakistani media and politicians are backing those who have invaded us,” he claimed.
“I have just received a phone call from my domestic servant that my house has been taken over by these Afghan Tajiks and they have destroyed everything there,” he further said. He said he was targeted because he was part of the Jirga that had held talks with the Tajik invaders. “I knew they will kill me. I lifted my elderly mother in my arms and crossed the mountains along with other family members and reached a nearby road and hired a taxi to reach Islamabad. I cannot sleep as the families of my brothers and sisters are still trapped in the village.”
“They are not Muslims at all who have occupied our lands. They are just ruthless people who have been given a free hand to rule over us and now they are playing with our lives and properties while the media, politicians and even the Army are watching silently,” he said.
“Let me warn you, if you do not stand up against these Afghan Tajiks, the people of Islamabad will soon become their target.”
Re: Pakistan on course to become an extremist Islamist state
I am not advocating Taliban, to me they are just newer and refined version of Mukti-Bahni... that is why i am saying.. to curb them. govt. should give a hope to the common-man.. same like in 1970 when govt. failed to get the support from the common man of east Pakistan...
I think its much more complex than that. Pakistan today is more divided than ever before & we're head for fragmentation of the country if the appeasement of terrorists is not stopped now. For that, Pakistan needs to do what Sri Lanka is doing & that is not to give up & fight back and destroy this evil that is hiding behind religion.
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“Let me warn you, if you do not stand up against these Afghan Tajiks, the people of Islamabad will soon become their target.”
Let all hear this....
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i think there is too much of panicking here,
this could bring some confidence here,
“Pakistan’s Talibanization Facilitated by Pakistan Army Ceding Strategic Space by its Withdrawals from Frontier Regions”. The Pakistan Army seems to be convinced in the belief that its well-crafted blueprint would ensure that it can retain calibrated control over Taliban escalation. At best it can divert the Taliban drives towards India in Kashmir as part of its calibrated control. At worst, the Pakistan Army under intense American coercion could ultimately confront the Taliban in he plains areas of Pakistan with its traditional ruthlessness.
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