Pakistan Missile Symbolism

Pakistan comes with great names of Afghan and Muslim warriors who invaded India as Missiles, Ghaznavi , Ghauri, Abdali, Babar.

All are Muslim warlords, or conquerors, who invaded India from Afghanistan between the 11th and 18th centuries in an attempt to expand their empires. Many of these warlords were cruel warlords who caused immense destruction in India.

India named its earth to surfae missile as “Prithvi” Prithvi means earth in India. Others are “Agni” (Fire) , Nag (Snake). The medium-range Ghauri missile is Pakistan’s answer to India’s Prithvi missile, and here the symbolism is perhaps most interesting. Pakistan offers the Hatf, named after the lance of the Prophet Muhammad that, according to legend, never missed its target

Muhammad Ghauri was a powerful Afghan warlord who in the 12th century had two fierce battles with the Hindu ruler of northern India, Prithviraj Chouhan.

Ghauri was defeated in the first battle and later on, he returned with a bigger army to achieve a convincing victory.

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Asia’s missiles strike at the heart
By Sudha Ramachandran

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GI03Df02.html

BANGALORE - Even as India and Pakistan press ahead with confidence-building measures contributing to a new bonhomie between them, they seem loathe to abandon old habits. Pakistan naming its first cruise missile Babar could signal that one and a half years into the peace process, Islamabad’s hostility-driven, missile-naming tradition remains largely unchanged. But there is a change in the mindset, albeit marginal, that many might be missing.

On August 11, Pakistan test-fired its first cruise missile. The missile, which has a range of 310 miles and is capable of carrying nuclear and conventional warheads, was tested barely two days after India and Pakistan formalized an agreement on notifying each other in advance about missile tests. The failure to notify

Delhi did annoy some in India. But in testing Babar, Pakistan was not violating the text of the agreement as the missile tested is not a ballistic one and does not fall under the scope of the agreement.

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Meanwhile, the cruise missile’s name has ruffled some feathers in India. It was named after Babar, a Muslim king from Central Asia who centuries ago invaded India and founded the Moghul dynasty. While Babar is looked upon with regard by most Indians as the founder of the Moghul dynasty rather than as an invader, the naming of the missile after Babar has not gone down well with some who still see it as part of a Pakistani convention of naming missiles after Muslim invaders of India. Ghauri, Ghaznavi and Abdali are some of other names Pakistan has given its missiles. The names are of Muslim kings who invaded India between the 11th and 18th century.

In 1988, when India test-fired its surface-to-air missile, Prithvi, Pakistan responded by not only testing a missile the following year but also by naming it Ghauri. In that case, Pakistan named its missile after misunderstanding the Indian missile-naming tradition. Pakistan believed Prithvi was named after Prithvi Raj Chauhan, a 12th century Hindu ruler in northern India. Consequently, it chose the name Ghauri for its response. Mohammed Ghauri was an Afghan warlord who in the 12th century invaded India and waged two wars against Prithvi Raj Chauhan. Mohammed Ghauri was defeated in the first battle but returned to inflict a crushing defeat on Prithvi Raj the following year.

But that is not how the name Prithvi was derived. Prithvi means earth, and the Indian convention is to name missiles after the elements. It was this logic that prompted India to name its subsequent missiles Agni (fire) and Akash (sky).

Many Indians might have dismissed Pakistan’s naming of the first missile it test-fired as Ghauri as the result of that misunderstanding had Islamabad stopped with Ghauri. It did not. Subsequent Pakistani missiles have carried the names of Muslim invaders, particularly notorious for looting Hindu temples.

The Ghaznavi missiles are named after Mahmud Ghaznavi (971-1030), an Afghan warlord who is described in history books as a destroyer of Hindu temples. Mahmud Ghaznavi directed his attacks on the temple towns of Thanesar, Mathura, Kannauj and Somnath, and stripped these temples of their wealth, then destroyed them. The Abdali missiles are named after Ahmed Shah Abdali (1724-1773), an Afghan king whose invasion of India is particularly notorious for its month-long pillage of Delhi.

Names of missiles have the capacity to generate passionate debate in the sub-continent that is almost as heated as that over the missile capabilities. Most Pakistanis continue to believe that Indian missile names “are inspired by Hindu history”. Some admit that Pakistan misinterpreted the naming of the Prithvi missile but the general perception is that the Indian missile names are linked to history.

Dr Hassan Askari Rizvi, a Lahore-based academic, told Asia Times Online that “the names of some Indian missiles – Agni and Prithvi for instance - appear to have cultural and historical reference points”. A student from Karachi told this correspondent that “the names of Indian missiles are offensive to the subcontinent’s Muslims.”

“The Prithvi missile was named after a Hindu king, Agni refers to the God of Fire, not fire the element, and the Trishul missile has been named after the trishul [trident] wielded by the Hindu God Siva,” he said.

Indians dismiss these allegations as unfounded. It is true that fire and earth are worshipped by Hindus and nature worship is an important aspect of Hinduism. “But the naming of missiles after the elements does not have religious underpinnings, neither does it evoke hostile imagery nor is it offensive to Muslim sensibilities,” insisted a retired Indian Defense Ministry official.

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He points out that not all Pakistani missiles are named after invaders. “Names like Hatf [Prophet Mohammed’s sword, which according to legend never missed its target] might be drawn from Islam, but these are not offensive to Indian or Hindu sensibilities,” he said.

A look at Indian and Pakistani blogs on the subject would indicate how closely the names of missiles are watched, the sharp emotions they evoke and the extent to which the issues surrounding the names are dissected. Several Indian bloggers point out that the Muslim rulers after whom Pakistan named its missiles were Afghans, who before plundering territory lying in what is today India, ransacked towns in present day Pakistan.

One blogger points out: “The funny thing is Babar [after whom the missile test-fired in August is named] fought against Ibrahim Lodhi, a Muslim king. So Babar must have killed a good number of Muslims in his conquest. Same with Nadir Shah, Ghaznavi and Ghauri [who] must have raped a large number of women in the border areas of India, which is presently Pakistan.”

So what drives the missile-naming tradition? Ammara Durrani, assistant editor at the Pakistani English daily The News, told Asia Times Online that Pakistan’s naming of its missiles “after traditional Muslim war heroes” and the Indian government’s naming of its missiles “in no less historically militant terms” are not surprising. “Both establishments know that thanks to the largely antagonistic and falsified accounts of history taught to their mass populations, these names would have more resonance and mass appeal for their respective populations in hating the enemy and glorifying the arms for their annihilation. For the vested interests of the two establishments, what better way to perpetuate the India-Pakistan conflict than to induce in it symbolism - through historical references such as the missile names - of the centuries’ old Hindu-Muslim and invader-vanquished hostile frames of thought?” she asked.

The BBC’s Islamabad correspondent Zafar Abbas points out, “Pakistan has never given any specific reason for naming these missiles after such historical figures. But the symbolism is a clear reflection of the official mindset in the country. It shows that for Islamabad, the present conflict with India is a continuation of the battles of the past between people described in Pakistani history books as just Muslim invaders and several of India’s cruel Hindu emperors.”

For both the Indian and Pakistani governments the missile program is as much about enhancing military capabilities vis-a-vis the other as it is about sending signals to their own domestic audiences. India’s former chief of army staff General V P Malik wrote that the display of models of the latest missiles is an important part of the military parades “to convey and often exaggerate technological and military capabilities”.

A successful missile test is projected to domestic audiences as a major national technical breakthrough and acquisition of an important capability, as a significant achievement of the government. Models of ballistic missiles were erected and displayed in several Pakistani cities, reminders of the Pakistan government’s macho military image and of its “fitting response” to India’s nuclear-missile program.

To some Indians the names given to recent Pakistani missiles holds out some hope. True, the Babar missile is named after yet another Muslim invader, but he figures in the sub-continent’s imagination more as a king who invaded and stayed to found a glorious empire rather than as a plunderer. Noted Indian security analyst and author of the forthcoming book Minimum Deterrence and India’s Nuclear Security , Rajesh Basrur, points out that Babar defeated another Muslim king to found the Moghul dynasty in India. “So maybe [the naming tradition] is just down to power and success now,” he said.

An attempt to create distance from medieval, hostile, negative imagery in naming missiles is more evident in the case of the Shaheen missile. Durrani argues that “the name Shaheen [eagle in Urdu] could be an attempt by the Pakistani government to introduce a modern language of symbolism, one that falls less on martial references of medieval times, and derives more universal appeal from concepts of enlightenment and progressiveness, as envisaged by [Pakistan’s national poet] Mohammed Iqbal [respected in India as well], who urged Muslims of the sub-continent to ‘fly like an eagle’ in its quest for progress and unity. This move could be an attempt by the Pakistani government to make a slight departure from its traditional approach, to portray its modern image in tune with post-Cold War political ethos.”

Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore.

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Pakistans next missile should be named 'Bin Qasim' :D

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Hey ole Saint Nic, missiles are just part of a bigger game. Baha-rat would have named its missiles if there were any great warriors from the old history.

You may name one of your fire cracker, Manak Shah. Paks will be filled with fear. I guarantee that :wink:

If you got’em then show’em man! Don’t be a crybaby.

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What’s in a name?

Rahimullah Yusufzai

One never knows when the uneasy relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan will take a turn for the worse. Such is the uncertain state of their ties that points of disagreements crop up suddenly and from the least likely of sources. That is the only way to interpret the recent complaint coming from Kabul about the naming of Pakistani ballistic missiles after Afghan war heroes.

Afghanistan’s information minister Makhdoom Raheen said a letter had been sent to Islamabad through the Afghan foreign ministry to complain about using the names of Afghan warrior-kings Mohammad Ghauri and Ahmad Shah Abdali for medium- and long-range nuclear-capable missiles manufactured by Pakistan. It seems he forgot to mention another legendary Afghan king, Mahmood Ghaznavi, who invaded undivided India 17 times and destroyed scores of Hindu temples including the most famous and revered one at Somnath. Pakistan has already made it known that the next generation of its expanding missile arsenal will be named after Ghaznavi.

The minister means business and that is why he has gone public with his complaint. He said Pakistan was welcome to use the names of Afghan heroes for peaceful things like monuments, conference rooms and historical places. But he is unhappy that weapons of mass destruction and other war equipment were being named after people occupying an exalted position in Afghan history.

Minister Makhdoom Raheen’s complaint illustrates the testy nature of Pak-Afghan relations. The two neighbouring countries are forever watching each other and reacting to events that take place within their borders. Pakistan hasn’t reacted to the complaint yet but government officials in Islamabad will no doubt be feeling embarrassed the way the Afghan minister has chosen to highlight the issue.

Makhdoom Raheen didn’t say it but his publicly voiced complaint clearly showed that his government considers Ghauri, Abdali and Ghaznavi as exclusively Afghan heroes and gets touchy if other countries and nations start using their names out of pride to enhance the value of an achievement. In a way, it was to remind Islamabad that it should look for indigenous Pakistani heroes or subcontinental Muslim names while naming its lethal weaponry. It shows that we are short of heroes and have to borrow from across the border to overcome the shortage. It is a timely reminder for us to start searching for genuine heroes from our own history, which no doubt is interlinked with that of Afghanistan but has run into problems following the claims coming out of Kabul.

http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=445200

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Makhdoom Raheen needs to be reminded that Ghauri, Abdali and Ghaznavi are very much part of Indian, and for that matter Pakistani, history due to their frequent forays into the subcontinent. Many Muslims in the subcontinent consider them their heroes for liberating them from Hindu and Sikh rule and establishing Muslim power. It is widely believed they were requested to invade India to rescue the Muslims. Though there are some modern Muslim historians and intellectuals who accuse Ghauri, Abdali and Ghaznavi of invading India for its riches and blame them for the death and destruction that their countless invasions inflicted on the people in the plains of the rivers Indus and Ganges, the majority differs with this view and considers them saviours.

It is no secret that Pakistan deliberately named its ballistic missiles after Afghan conquerors because they time and again defeated Hindu warriors and conquered India. Its India-specific missile arsenal, made to match similar Indian weaponry, bears the names of Ghauri, Abdali and Ghaznavi who sowed fear in the hearts of Indian people of yore through their destructive military campaigns.

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Though all weapons of mass destruction ought to be banished from the face of the earth, naming them after warriors makes sense in this jingoistic world. After all, nuclear-capable missiles with a range of 1,500 kilometres cannot have trendy and innocuous names. Both Pakistan and India have chosen the names of warrior-kings for their formidable missiles and will continue doing so until the governments in Islamabad and New Delhi realise the futility of spending so much of their meagre resources on weapons and so little on meeting the basic needs of their people.

The writer is an executive editor of The News International based in Peshawar

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Pak megaton nuke should be named Aurengzeb :smiley:

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Except abdali, the ghaznavids and ghauris technically weren't afghans (now people they lived there rather "ruled that area" ) bu in that case anyone can technically claim them.

Personally I could care less if they named something else these missiles!
The thing should work and be deadly other than just the name that should strike at people's heart!

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These Afghan ministers still seem to have little work on their hands, else they wouldnt come up with comic theories and objections like this.

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Name peaceful things after these Afghan warlords!?!?! He objects to the names of WAR lords being used for weapons!!! :hehe: Ridiculous!

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I think the names are very appropriate
Qutbuddin,Alauddin, Balban we still have a lot left
aurangzaib for the H-bomb

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The funny thing is babar fought again ibrahim lodhi, a muslim king. So babar must have killed a good number of muslims in his conquest. Same with nadir shah; ghazni and ghori must have raped a large number of women in the border areas of india which is presently pakistan.

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lets change the names of missiles

khuura, salma, saleem, durdana

and idna can make its

harish, bhargavi, koshaliyya and srinavas

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I have never heard about rapes committed by ghazni and ghauris.

Pakistan doesn't have a missile named for Nadir Shah a persian anyway!

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hahaha. Damn straight. :smiley:

Ghauri, Ghaznavi, Abdali are as much the part of history of Muslim of South Asia, as Babar and Sir Syed Ahmed.
It’s just some Afghani ministers, who piss in their pants like nicols_john anytime Pakistan’s name is mentioned. Of course, not all Afghanis are like that.

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Who needs these stupid names.. Islam is rich with other names that are far cooler and far better suited for our defense principles.
Pakistan is the underdog, its weaponry is of defensive purposes.
Our names should reflect that. The missle named after the prophets sword is far more appropriate.. Its was sword that was capable of great compassion and mercy, but screw with it, and it will could cut you too shreds:)

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^ Prophet's sword?

If you meant 'Anza' then that is meant to name after Ali (rehm) sword!

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I think its our cruise missle that named either after his sword or his horse... I think its his horse, sorry for the mix up...

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Babar?

I think it would be the mughal emperor babar?? :p

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"Anza" is the lance given to Zubair(ra) by the prophet(pbuh)
"Zulfiqar" is the name of the sword of Ali(as) given to him by the prophet(pbuh)
other appropriate names could be martyrs/heroes of Badr,Uhad ,Mutah etc
like "Zayd" "Hamza" "Jafar" "ubaydah" "Sa'd"
far better than "Al-Khalid"

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and why should we he destroyed the mughal empire
btw he did kill a lot of brahmins maybe some CW shells should be named after him