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i wish pakistan invents some vaccine or high yield rice/wheat to save lives
and proudly put pakistan name on it.
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I thought Hatf was the Prophet's(pbuh) sword?
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We will as soon as India stops pointing her missiles towards us I suppose…
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^ Who knows someday some "people" will come label Pakistan as arab-wannabes!!! :D
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I don’t think he ever came to the aid of Mughals!
Seriously I don’t know what you are implying here? 
That Nadir SHah wouldn’t come and loot mughals because they followed persian culture?
THAT’s VERY FAR FROM THE TRUTH THOUGH!
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sorry you misunderstood my post
Nadir shah NEVER helped the mughals…you are right
what I meant was that while looting pillaging and raping in Dehli
his officers had a dispute with brahmins(who were neutral) so this nadir ordered a general massacre of the brahmins,
that was in my 8th grade history book
dont know how much is correct
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That will not be far from the truth
but it is far better than being a "hindu wannabe"
what do you think?
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the nuke should be names appropriately = ikhtetam (the end):(
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In 1719 the Afghans had invaded Persia. They deposed the reigning Shah of the Safavid dynasty in 1722. Their ruler, Mahmud Ghilzai (±1699-1725), murdered a large number of Safavid Princes, hacking many of them to death by his own hand. After he had invited the leading citizens of Isfahan to a feast and massacred them there, his own supporters assassinated Mahmud in 1725. His cousin, Ashraf (±1700-1730), took over and married a Safavid princess.
At first, Nadir fought with the Afghans against the Özbegs until they withheld him further payment. In 1727 Nadir offered his services to Tamasp II (±1704-1740), heir to the Safavid dynasty.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kvenjb/madmonarchs/nadir/nadir_bio.htm
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heir Prithvi our Ghauri —Khaled Ahmed
Our Ghauri missile is a part of the signalling of insult to the enemy. Instead of insulting India, it has hurt Afghanistan. But warlord Ghauri’s name was Shahabuddin. Iran has gone and named its own missile Shahab. Should Kabul feel insulted once again?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\04\09\story_9-4-2006_pg3_3
It must have surprised many that an Afghan minister in Kabul should object to the way we have named our ballistic missiles in Pakistan. His objection was that at least one series of missiles in our delivery system was named after the 12th century conqueror Muhammad Ghauri “who was an Afghan hero”.
“We have asked them not to use the names of great elders of Afghanistan for weapons of mass destruction or other war equipment”, he said. Pakistan has appropriately decided not to comment.
Everyone should be embarrassed. The Afghan warlord Ghauri (he was no peace-loving Afghan elder) came to India and decimated the Rajputs, defeating their warlord Prithvi Raj. Then someone killed him almost symbolically on what is now Pakistani soil near Kahuta. AQ Khan should have thought of that!
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India built its delivery system and named it after the elements — Prithvi, Agni, Akash, etc — little knowing that Pakistan will latch on to the fact that Ghauri had defeated Prithvi Raj.
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It was a clever communication of insult between the two nuclear powers. More insult is always offered by the smaller, weaker party. We don’t know if it rankled with the Indians; it has strangely rankled with Kabul.
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Pakistan’s own gesture was a bit of a joke because the Ghauri missiles are not of our making. The Ghauri we tested in 1998 was North Korea’s No-Dong or something built on No-Dong design.
Anyone will agree that No-Dong is not a good-sounding name and will bring glory only to North Korea, not to Pakistan. (It can mean “no masculinity”, in slang!) The Pakistani who named it Ghauri saved the nation from being unmanned!
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Perhaps there was some reaction in Islamabad to this rather cheap Prithvi-Ghauri joke. The system that evolved more quickly later was named Hatf. Now we have Hatf 7 which is called Shaheen or Ghauri or (perhaps) Ghaznavi according to how far it will go.
Hatf 7 or Ghaznavi, named after another Afghan-Turk warlord, will be the real killer because it will go a thousand kilometres! But there is another irony which includes Iran; and Kabul can look at this too. Warlord Ghauri’s name was Shahabuddin and the Iranian missile that can reach Israel is named Shahab!
In Sanskrit earth is Prithvi, but the first sense of it was size. The Indian man thought of earth as big, broad and enlarged. The root prth means just this. Prithvi Raj was a great Rajput warrior appropriately named ruler of earth.
Then Pakistan turned to Hatf. This was a radical departure from the insulting history used in Ghauri. But now we are in Arabic etymological territory. Hatf means death, but it is associated with terrible sound too.
Terrible sound and ability to kill was associated with the missile which now spearheads Pakistan’s drive for the acquisition of a credible delivery system. Hatf could mean angel of death.
But there is a dampening factor here to. Those who named the missile system should have realised that hatif today means telephone too! You can’t have a missile named telephone!
Shahab is a Quranic word and the Iranians have taken it from there. It means something burning so bright it turns white with a black spot in the middle. The word Shahab comes together with thaqib meaning that which pierces.
Both Shahab and Thaqib/Saqib are popular Muslim names. Shahab is associated with bright star (najm), yielding a composite name Najm us Saqib. Shahab is an appropriate name for a missile that lights up and goes piercing the dark skies.
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- Yeap! it is part of the Psychological Operations (PSYOP) and Psychological Warfare (PSYWAR).
- Bharatis borrowed, stole Ruskie stuff and so did Iranis, Iraqis, Libyans, etc. etc. Why to single out one country?
And last but not least:
1. who cares about dirtbags from basket case of a country.
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You idiot.
All this is not clever and smart. Thats the problem with non Punjabi Muslims. Most of theses missile names are also offensive to Muslim jatt.
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All this is not clever and smart. Thats the problem with non Punjabi Muslims. Most of theses missile names are also offensive to Muslim jatt.
Stompy, so Muslim "jatts" are not naming their kids "Qasim" anymore. Right? Off course the name "Qasim" is so offensive to these jatts. Did you just read some Bharati masala?
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Firstly, am not talking about Bin Qasim, many Jatts helped Bin Qasim conquer the subcontinent the Jatts liked to concept of Jihad so much that many converted to Islam. However I am talking about other Arab/Afghan/Turk conquers who were assholes.
Also for your info Bin Qasim massacred many Hindus.
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All this is not clever and smart. Thats the problem with non Punjabi Muslims. Most of theses missile names are also offensive to Muslim jatt.
You idiot, Muslim Jutts love Arabs! :)
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More like its the other way around. You Mujiers will die sucka.
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I have never heard about rapes committed by ghazni and ghauris.
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Only childish yindoos think that if you capture a women in war, and forceibly do with her as you please, it suddenly becomes rape.
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and why should we he destroyed the mughal empire
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Nader Shah didn't destroy the mughal empire. He was invited to invade India(the general region, not saying bhindia existed then) by two mughal noblemen, the viceroys of the Deccan and Avadh, so that the empire wouldn't fall into the hands of the marathas(yindoos using their cunning deceptive ways were conquering bhindia at the time). In a way he insured that the wealth and women he carted off didn't fall into the hands of yindoo marathas. He should be considered a hero.
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^ Who knows someday some "people" will come label Pakistan as arab-wannabes!!! :D
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Most pakistanis are actually ethnically arab or central asian.
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sorry you misunderstood my post
Nadir shah NEVER helped the mughals...you are right
what I meant was that while looting pillaging and raping in Dehli
his officers had a dispute with brahmins(who were neutral) so this nadir ordered a general massacre of the brahmins,
that was in my 8th grade history book
dont know how much is correct
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There was never any rape.
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You idiot.
All this is not clever and smart. Thats the problem with non Punjabi Muslims. Most of theses missile names are also offensive to Muslim jatt.
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Are you by chance someone who reads revisionary historioans takes on past events such as G.M. Syed who slanders our heroes like Qasim?
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Please explain, if I read it correctly “forcibly do with her as you please” doesn’t count as rape in war?
come’on, don’t drag it now. There are different races in Pakistan, can’t just say “Arab or Central Asian”.
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Which pakistanis are ethnically arab? I mean other than few syeds.
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33.50] O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
33.51] You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased, all of them with what you give them, and Allah knows what is in your hearts; and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing.
33.52] It is not allowed to you to take women afterwards, nor that you should change them for other wives, though their beauty be pleasing to you, except what your right hand possesses and Allah is Watchful over all things.
I suggest you tread carefully with regards to this topic. Allah knows best.
The majority of pakistanis are ethnically disimilar to bhindians, even northern bhindians. Pakistan is a hodge podge of different central asian ethnicities and the native ones, however most people identify with their fathers identity, so most pakistanis are central asian.