Re: Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
You have to understand the dynamics of key policy decisions. It takes about 2 to 3, and some times even five years to show its results. The bad situation is not due to corruption but due to fups by the generals in their rules of 10 years. This government maintained status quo which means unless dramatic actions such as renting or procurement of rolling stock will not be done from India or America, the situation will become even worst or even shutting down of the railways.
Why railways resort to using used oils in their engines?. It should be enquired. It is very easy to blame some one’s fups to others which is a fashion since years. Under whose command this was being done un-noticed. Definitely this process was not done in one day. It might have been extended over number of years keeping in view 198 ineffective locomotives on this account.
So one locomotive cost 3 billions of Rs. Instead of 1 billion. You can imagine the defective locomotives purchased from china at this cost, how much money being wasted. Had any general hanged for this fup. Why blame PPP???
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One of my colleagues in a company was a very lazy guy who used to take 2 or 3 vacations every week. (Imagine that!). He was a quality inspector. I don't think he even had any associate degree.
Finally he was laid off from the company. Then he came back to the company for some reason, and he told me that he got a job as "Engineer" in Pakistan Railways. He was preparing to go to Lahore for training.
He may have just been boasting to get the job as Engineer, but even if he was going for some smaller job, I would shocked to see how a loser like him could get a job in Pakistan Railways.
This is just one personal example of the kind of people this institute had accumulated. After seeing him go to Railways, I am not surprised at all to see Railways going bankrupt due to incompetence and corruption.
khoji if you don't mind, does he belong to mqm? There are number sifarishi in every government organization. This lazy stupid fella is just drop in "Behrul-Kahil"of lazies and dishonest people in Pakistan.
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you think every one believing on your funny threads Come on dude accept the reality and stop worshiping Corrupt people else you are going to cross the last limit of nonsense :cobra:
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This should have been done a very long time ago. This is the only way to revive PR. Credit goes to PPP government for initiating a meaningful business relations with India.
Re: Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
I've said this many times. Pakistan Railways needs to be privatised there is no other way it will survive long term. It's not profitable. It lacks infrastructure It is heavy debt. It should be sold for $1. However, their should be an agreement where the company taking over must sort out the mess to make it a national and profitable business. I hate it when governments control businesses. Their business is to govern not own businesses. I could understand for strategic assets. Like weapons etc but railways? really? rant over/
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So the trains made in India will be better than Chinese? Secondly will those trains be able to operate without oil in their engines? Thirdly has railways got enough money to purchase the engines?
I did not see your post earlier. India is using same technology as Americans and other advanced countries. Yes Indian Railway System is much superior than Chinese. India perhaps is still making ALCO engines under licensing with American Locomotives. Pakistan Railways had very good experience in using those engines for many years till they outlived their lives. For many years Pakistan Railway worked freight trains with one ALU 26 (nick named Indra), 2600 hp stolen from India perhaps in 1971 war.:)
Re: Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
I've said this many times. Pakistan Railways needs to be privatised there is no other way it will survive long term. It's not profitable. It lacks infrastructure It is heavy debt. It should be sold for $1. However, their should be an agreement where the company taking over must sort out the mess to make it a national and profitable business. I hate it when governments control businesses. Their business is to govern not own businesses. I could understand for strategic assets. Like weapons etc but railways? really? rant over/
I don't agree with you. PR ran in profit from 1947- 1979. If India can run its railway in profit, why can not PR?
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is this some kinda new development? as far as i remember, in the beginning of this year, India had declined, at the end of negotiations, to lease Pakistan any locomotives…i watch Pakistani News on TV everyday and i haven’t heard any such new development.
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I don't agree with you. If India can run its railway in profit, why can not PR?
Do I have to explain the incompetence of Pakistanis. India is better then pakistan in most ways, thats why. Besides, I'm pro market and I don't think governments should be running businesses it goes against what they were elected for. They should run the country. The difference between Macro and Micro mangement.
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Do I have to explain the incompetence of Pakistanis. India is better then pakistan in most ways, thats why. Besides, I'm pro market and I don't think governments should be running businesses it goes against what they were elected for. They should run the country. The difference between Macro and Micro mangement.
You have deleted part of my post. Pakistan Railways ran in profit from 1947 to 1979. If it can run 30 years in profit, why not now? Only a great deal of effort and honesty is required to put back railway on track.
Re: Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
You have deleted part of my post. Pakistan Railways ran in profit from 1947 to 1979. If it can run 30 years in profit, why not now? Only a great deal of effort and honesty is required to put back railway on track.
Look you might have right wing views regarding the Economics of this however, it would be more efficient for a an actual business to take over? Why are you denying facts? Are you saying governments can run the PR better then a business can? Why are the developed countries open economies with little to no government intervention?
Point being is it may have ran in profit between 47-79. However, the population was small and most of the infrastucture was new and being built at the time It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the government. The long term effects of ignoring the railways is evident today!
State control is never a good idea. However, I did say in certain circumstances like weapons or sentive industry has to be controlled/regulated highl by the government.
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Again credit goes to PPP government. It is great advantage to Pakistan and India if they liberalize trade transactions and agree on NAFTA or EU like pact.
NEW DELHI - After months of dilly-dallying, India has finally agreed to sell and lease out its locomotives to Pakistan, thus helping the neighbouring country restart its defunct train services, reported Hindustan Times on Wednesday.
In the first-of-its-kind deal, the Indian railways will deliver 50 refurbished American Locomotive Company (ALCO) technology locos at an estimated cost of Rs 350 crore.
Another set of 50 new locos of a higher horsepower (3000-3500) will also be leased out. Lease charges of Indian locomotives work out to Rs 900 per hour or Rs 21,600 per day.
Pakistan is expected to get delivery of the first instalment of 10 refurbished engines of 2,000-2,600 horsepower capacity sometime next year.
The proposed arrangement will include a liberalised visa regime for Indian engineers who will be required to visit Pakistan for training purposes.
While yearly maintenance of engines is proposed to be done at the Indian Railways shed at Ludhiana, the Pakistan government has agreed to ramp up facilities at its railway shed at Mughalpura near Lahore.
Running 19,000 trains over a 54,000-kilometre network each day, the Indian Railways is hugely stressed for train engines.
“But the production units will churn out train engines in bigger numbers in the coming years. Issues with Pakistan have now been sorted out. We will shortly start working on the modifications and fix up the used locos to be delivered to Pakistan,” officials said. With 137 of its fleet of 494 locos dysfunctional, train operations in Pakistan have virtually collapsed and annual losses worth a whopping Rs 25 billion have been reported. In the last four years, the Pakistan government has provided Rs 93 billion subsidy to its railways department, Rs 32 billion as assistance for development projects and Rs 14 billion as overdraft from the State Bank of Pakistan, Railway Minister Ghulam Ahmed Bilour said recently.
This news was published in print paper. Access complete paper of this day.
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Look you might have right wing views regarding the Economics of this however, it would be more efficient for a an actual business to take over? Why are you denying facts? Are you saying governments can run the PR better then a business can? Why are the developed countries open economies with little to no government intervention?
Point being is it may have ran in profit between 47-79. However, the population was small and most of the infrastucture was new and being built at the time It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the government. The long term effects of ignoring the railways is evident today!
State control is never a good idea. However, I did say in certain circumstances like weapons or sentive industry has to be controlled/regulated highl by the government.
Past experience of Railways with privatization is not so good. Railway is a very technical and professional organization like army, let this be run by the people who know how to run it. chor uchakay sirf railway land main interested hain. woh gharibon logon ki welfare ka koi lehaz nahin rakhtay. Let this once national pride organization be re-alived by the government.
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i searched on Google and i couldn’t find any reference to this news anywhere else other than this ‘The Nation’ Newspaper. this is the ONLY news report.
i’m surprised why no other news media covered such an important news item. i wonder how trustworthy is this newspaper.
i very much doubt the news as presented because no Pakistani or Indian News channels talked about this important development in re-rejuvenation of Pakistan Railways.
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Congrats to PPP Govt.
Congrats in Advance for messing up the new engines.
What good those new engines will be once used oil from one engine will be used in another one? Maintainance will be done when those engines are FUBR.
These new engines will be good news for railway if India also gives us new railway minister.
Re: Pakistan likely to import railway engines from India
Congrats to PPP Govt.
Congrats in Advance for messing up the new engines.
What good those new engines will be once used oil from one engine will be used in another one? Maintainance will be done when those engines are FUBR.
These new engines will be good news for railway if India also gives us new railway minister.
You are insulting whole nation. Not all are bad in any organization or in any country.
Come on dude accept the reality and stop worshiping Corrupt people else you are going to cross the last limit of nonsense :cobra:
